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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1307897]Malik Willis will be out of the league in 4 years....he's a great athlete but his little body can't sustain those hits in the nfl...he'll get broken up and possibly stay injured for at least half a season......plus there are questions about his ability to read nfl coverages.....[/quote]

Here I fixed it for you.

[B]IF WASHINGTON DRAFTS MALIK WILLIS[/B] he will be out of the league in 4 years....he's a great athlete but his little body can't sustain those hits in the nfl...he'll get broken up and possibly stay injured

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1307918]Most said Watson wouldn't last either with his small frame and knee issues and he's a top 10 QB.

We all said TH wouldn't make it a season..

Not saying Willis is great but he is by far the most gifted passer of the bunch, the ball literally jumps out of his hand[/quote]

That's arguably what you don't want in a QB 😉😁

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Thankfully, one thing I've noticed of the draft a QB crowd on this board is they have expressed no thought of trading up (higher than 11) to get a QB in the draft, some would trade down. That said I was shocked to see in other places Redskins fans proposing we trade star defensive linemen, or future picks, with our first to move up in the 1st for a QB. That tells me quite a few of the people who hate Snyder would be exactly like him (at least with the draft) if they owned the team. Absolute insanity.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1307917]He would be a waste of a 1st round pick.[/quote]

Well right now that can be said of any of these prospects. I still think it would be smarter to build future draft capital (as much as possible) and try in next years much better QB class.

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Now I've heard it all. A Redskin fan posted that PFF had a study that broke out the chances of getting a stud QB and where they were drafted. Since picks 1-3 had by far the best results (20%) he thinks we must trade up into the top 3 picks in this years draft to draft a QB. So in essence if we say drafted Willis (Who he wants) at 3 he'll have a 20% chance of becoming a star vice drafting Willis at 11 where it only about an 8% chance he'd be a star.

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[quote=nonniey;1308066]Now I've heard it all. A Redskin fan posted that PFF had a study that broke out the chances of getting a stud QB and where they were drafted. Since picks 1-3 had by far the best results (20%) he thinks we must trade up into the top 3 picks in this years draft to draft a QB. So in essence if we say drafted Willis (Who he wants) at 3 he'll have a 20% chance of becoming a star vice drafting Willis at 11 where it only about an 8% chance he'd be a star.[/quote]

That's just someone who doesn't understand statistics. They are an indicator of probable outcomes not a predictor of actual outcomes. Hopefully the team have staff that are better qualified than that guy!

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[quote=Redskins247;1307920]Here I fixed it for you.

[B]IF WASHINGTON DRAFTS MALIK WILLIS[/B] he will be out of the league in 4 years....he's a great athlete but his little body can't sustain those hits in the nfl...he'll get broken up and possibly stay injured[/quote]


I doubt seriously if he will be the pick.....not for only the reasons you stated but also he has a hard time reading nfl coverages....

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[quote=Ohioskins;1307344]Both Stroud and Young will be franchise QB's.[/quote]

History says that one of them will bust.

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Willis is just way too raw. He just isn't a precision passer right now at all. Boom or bust pick. I think with a guy like him he would need to w/out question sit for a year. Against Ole Miss he just looked way in over his head.

But the physical skills are there. The arm talent is there. I just feel you can't go with a guy like him in the first few rounds. He is at the very highest a 4th rounder. But because he is a QB w/ a skill set he will most likely go higher.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1308370]Willis is just way too raw. He just isn't a precision passer right now at all. Boom or bust pick. I think with a guy like him he would need to w/out question sit for a year. Against Ole Miss he just looked way in over his head.

But the physical skills are there. The arm talent is there. I just feel you can't go with a guy like him in the first few rounds. He is at the very highest a 4th rounder. But because he is a QB w/ a skill set he will most likely go higher.[/quote]

Probably a worse version of RGIII, pass

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[quote=skinsfan69;1308370]Willis is just way too raw. He just isn't a precision passer right now at all. Boom or bust pick. I think with a guy like him he would need to w/out question sit for a year. Against Ole Miss he just looked way in over his head.

But the physical skills are there. The arm talent is there. I just feel you can't go with a guy like him in the first few rounds. He is at the very highest a 4th rounder. But because he is a QB w/ a skill set he will most likely go higher.[/quote]

Willis is the absolute boom or bust QB in this draft. Physical tools are all there. I think he will be a legit starter or not even in the league in 3 or 4 years.

If we drafted him at 11, I'd be OK with it. If we traded down in the 1st and got him, I'd be pumped about it.

I want to sign Winston or Trubisky or Mariota, regardless of what we do in the draft anyways.

Winston/Trubisky/Mariota, rookie draft pick, Heinicke/Allen, and I'd feel solid about QB position going into next year.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1308371]Probably a worse version of RGIII, pass[/quote]

Based on personality, leadership, etc., no way he is worse. RG3 was too much of a d-bag to be successful regardless of how talented he was.

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My thinking goes like this...

1) If the talent evaluation says there isn't an at least potential franchise QB when we're picking, sign an interim starter in FA.
2) If 1) and we can't get our interim starter in FA, do a reasonable trade for someone like Carr (assuming he/they are available).
3) If we can't do 1 or 2, then draft the best QB available when we pick IF they are rated within 2-3 spots of our pick. DON'T TRADE UP OR REACH. *
4) If all the above fails draft a QB in the lower rounds on the BPA principle. DON'T TRADE UP OR REACH. *
*If nothing else, we have a young backup to TH, if not a surprise starter.
5) Unless we draft a diamond in the rough through the above, do everything within our power to grab one of the top 2 QB's in '23.

I'm hoping based on RR's form to date, we'll go with option 1 or 2 then 5. We can then draft for immediate need elsewhere in this draft (LB, FS...) and get our franchise QB in '23. I'm really hoping someone locks Danny 'accidentally' in a maintenance room on draft day.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1308374]Based on personality, leadership, etc., no way he is worse. RG3 was too much of a d-bag to be successful regardless of how talented he was.[/quote]

If Kyle Shanahan wasn't running the offense in 2012 he doesn't sniff ROY

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1308379]If Kyle Shanahan wasn't running the offense in 2012 he doesn't sniff ROY[/quote]

100% agree with this

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The Athletic has us taking Pickett at No. 11 as the first QB off the board. It also predicts Corral to the Saints as NO. 18 and Howell going at No. 20 to Pittsburgh.They have us taking Darian Kinnard, an offensive line man from Kentucky, in the second round.

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Athletic predicts Rider and Willis go in the second round.

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11: R1 P11 - S Kyle Hamilton - Notre Dame
42: R2 P10 - QB Carson Strong - Nevada
73: R3 P9 - G Jamaree Salyer - Georgia
110: R4 P8 - LB Terrel Bernard - Baylor
189: R6 P10 - WR Emeka Emezie - North Carolina State
228: R7 P9 - CB Shaun Jolly - Appalachian State

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I would trade for Jimmy G. if the price is right, I would not give more than a 2nd rounder for him.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-predicts-washington-trade-jimmy-105725083.html[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1308415]I would trade for Jimmy G. if the price is right, I would not give more than a 2nd rounder for him.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/espn-predicts-washington-trade-jimmy-105725083.html[/url][/quote]

I'd go as high as a 3rd and a 5th. There could be some competition for him though. I wouldn't want to overbid for him.

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Athletic has Hamilton going at No. 5 to the Giants.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1308377]I'm really hoping someone locks Danny 'accidentally' in a maintenance room on draft day.[/quote]

We all do. That's the key to the WFT drafting a franchise QB.

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I like Jordan Reid (the scout) and what he has to say.

[url]https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/AMPM7263617903?selected=AMPM4657305239[/url]

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John Keim drops a few nuggets if you listen:

"I believe they'll have their quarterback before the draft"

"It's possible that they sign a veteran FA and combine that with one of these QBs in the second round, because they have a few people they like there."

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I wouldn't oppose to that move as that approach will help us preserve our draft picks.. I'm curious to see which QB they are targeting though since I don't see any QB in free agency that would be ideal for us to pursue.

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I can live with a FA vet and a 2nd or lower pick on QB; if the rookie washes out, try again next year. But I'd rather, assuming we can get a 1-2 year starter in FA, they draft for need elsewhere this year then go all out for a top prospect next year. As others have said, just keep drafting QB's until you get it right.

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I would be happy with the idea of trading down this year ( assuming we can find a partner) to the bottom third of the first round in exchange for a first next year like the Giants did last year. We can then grab one of this years QBs and still have good ammunition next year if required.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1308500]I would be happy with the idea of trading down this year ( assuming we can find a partner) to the bottom third of the first round in exchange for a first next year like the Giants did last year. We can then grab one of this years QBs and still have good ammunition next year if required.[/quote]

Don't disagree in principle, but with the talent pool this year it seems there are no potential superstars, at least not at QB (most teams reason to trade up). I can't see many big trades, though I live to be surprised.

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Sounds like Trubisky could be the one with the Carolina/Buffalo connection

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1308502]Sounds like Trubisky could be the one with the Carolina/Buffalo connection[/quote]

Yeah I don't want another journeyman QB

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At what point do we hold RR accountable for what he puts on the field?
Year 1 was a mulligan, dude had cancer and Haskins to deal with.
Last year was more of the same bullshit.

I need some motherfucking progress in year 3 and that means getting a QB Now.

we should not settle for some retread putzing around at QB another year.

Maybe not having a QB is Riveras crutch.
At some point he has to start winning right?

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Keim said again today that he believes the team will go after a veteran instead of drafting a rookie to take over. Last year it was Fitz… this year it needs to be Wilson, Watson or Carr if he’s available.

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[quote=jamf;1308509]At what point do we hold RR accountable for what he puts on the field?
Year 1 was a mulligan, dude had cancer and Haskins to deal with.
Last year was more of the same bullshit.

I need some motherfucking progress in year 3 and that means getting a QB Now.

we should not settle for some retread putzing around at QB another year.

Maybe not having a QB is Riveras crutch.
At some point he has to start winning right?[/quote]

Ron's scrambling to find someone going into year 3 w/ a suspect QB draft. And since he needs to win now or keep the team competitive, the best option for a starter next year is to make a trade.

If we could somehow land Watson it just might wake up this dead ass fanbase. It may give fans a reason to come out to the games. He may be the one guy who could do it. Offer up Payne and two first rounders.

The more likely option is trading for Tribisky or Mariota and drafting someone, then bring back the noodle arm.

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So what is the deal with Watson ?? Dude says he ain’t done nuthin .. so what’s the deal .. 20 something women holding him hostage ? Is there a court date ? Houston needs a Lot so is he really gonna be able to play this year ??

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[quote=jamf;1308509]At what point do we hold RR accountable for what he puts on the field?
Year 1 was a mulligan, dude had cancer and Haskins to deal with.
Last year was more of the same bullshit.

I need some motherfucking progress in year 3 and that means getting a QB Now.

we should not settle for some retread putzing around at QB another year.

Maybe not having a QB is Riveras crutch.
At some point he has to start winning right?[/quote]

So you are saying we have to trade for a QB? Because it is highly likely that none of the 2022 draft QBs would give Riviera a good shot at improving this year (They will need to redshirt for a year or take their lumps but the latter would mean a decline instead of improvement for the 2022 season).

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If we have to suffer another year, ok. The next 2 franchise QB's come up in the 2023 draft.

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[quote=rocnrik;1308513]So what is the deal with Watson ?? Dude says he ain’t done nuthin .. so what’s the deal .. 20 something women holding him hostage ? Is there a court date ? Houston needs a Lot so is he really gonna be able to play this year ??[/quote]

Supposedly he got a little cabeza from most of his victims

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[quote=nonniey;1308515]So you are saying we have to trade for a QB? Because it is highly likely that none of the 2022 draft QBs would give Riviera a good shot at improving this year (They will need to redshirt for a year or take their lumps but the latter would mean a decline instead of improvement for the 2022 season).[/quote]

He’s got to commit to a QB.
This will be his Third offseason Evaluating the most important position in sports.

Look at Kligsbury in AZ, guy stepped into the HC with first year Josh Rosen as QB. Rosen wasn’t a fit so he traded him for nothing and got Murray. They were 11-5 in a good division this year.

I realize that there isn’t always a good QB waiting to be drafted but good teams get a QB and bad teams bring in stop gaps every few years.
They missed on Justin Herbert and they missed on Matt Stafford.

Unfortunately I firmly believe Snyder is in charge of our QB situation and Rivera is just cashing checks.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1308517]Supposedly he got a little cabeza from most of his victims[/quote]

So he’s one police charge away from never playing again.
Dumbass needs a rubmaps subscription.

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If we end up with Jimmy G I’m gonna be pissed