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Accountability

Kliff has continued to play this stoic-like figure on and off the field. I can only remember one time this year during the Patriots game that he got in Kyler’s face. There has been no “2008 Christmas day” moment that has woken up the Cardinals. There are only so many times he can say “we/I have got to be better”.

There is no passion or accountability from Kliff. It trickles down to even the quarterback. Murray has been absent in trying to motivate this squad. Instead we find images/cuts of the camera of him just sitting on the bench with a thousand-yard-stare like he was in the battle of Verdun.
[url]https://raisingzona.com/2020/12/27/arizona-cardinals-system-kliff-kingsbury-hot-seat/[/url]

Could Kliff Kingsbury be coaching himself onto the NFL hot seat?

A couple of weeks ago, the Arizona Cardinals were 10-2 on the season and Kliff Kingsbury was a favorite for the NFL Coach of the Year.

A lot can change in two weeks.

The Cardinals are now 10-4 on the season and Kingsbury continues to fall in odds for the award for the NFL's top coach.

Some NFL writers are even questioning Kingsbury's job security in Arizona, should the Cardinals continue to struggle down the stretch.
[url]https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2021/12/21/arizona-cardinals-kliff-kingsbury-coaching-himself-onto-nfl-hot-seat/8982098002/[/url]

There is more unfolding about the relationship between the Arizona Cardinals and quarterback Kyler Murray. ESPN’s Chris Mortenson described the relationship as having an “odd vibe” and that there is “acrimony” because of how things ended with the team’s first-round playoff exit.

The Cardinals were beaten by the Los Angeles Rams 34-11. Murray did not play the final minute.

While many analysts during the game felt the Cardinals should have pulled their young franchise quarterback from the game when things got out of hand to avoid any sort of injury, he didn’t come out until there was 1:05 remaining in the game.

According to Mike Garofolo, speaking during NFL Network’s Super Bowl pregame coverage, Murray pulled himself from the game, refusing to take the final snaps.

Backup Colt McCoy, according to Garofolo, tried to encourage him to finish the game with his teammates, but “a banged-up Murray said, ‘no, that’s it.'”

According to the report, some within the organization were unhappy with that.
[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kyler-murray-pulled-himself-playoff-215826189.html[/url]

End of the 2020 season I read about how Kingsbury was on the hot seat. Confused i went to their fan forums and sure enough, lots of unhappy sounds directed at Kingsbury way.

End of 2021 ... they go 11-6 in a brutal NFC West .... and theres unhappiness behind the scenes.

I dont have a point but In am confused as to their dysfunction.

Cards have a young offensive minded coach they went hard for, have a 1.1 QB who seems to be dynamic, a solid D .... and no one seems happy.

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Oddly enough and It may surprise my guy SF , I am not a K1 fan.. I don't think he's a great passer and his small ass will get hurt eventually. Also hes had a shitty attitude since he was at OU.. He's a baby.

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1310484]Just read that Tampa may be looking Russell Wilson's way. The list of suitors for Russell is long and distinguished.


Honestly, Russell Wilson seems more and more like a pipe dream for us.

Time to go to Plan B.

Draft Willis or Pickett at 11. And grab a middle tier free agent QB to ease the rookie in mid-year. A Teddy Bridgewater type.


And continue to add pieces where we're weak. MLB. S. WR.[/quote]

I saw Picket throw in training the other day and that damn glove freaks me out.. His arm isn't elite either, Willis BY FAR has the biggest upside of any QB in this class.

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Trending: An NFL executive said the #Commanders could "justify" trading their first round pick for #49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo due to the expected weakness of the rookie QB class, via @TheAthletic

Here we go.... Good lord man

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310540]Trending: An NFL executive said the #Commanders could "justify" trading their first round pick for #49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo due to the expected weakness of the rookie QB class, via @TheAthletic

Here we go.... Good lord man[/quote]

Absolutely no fucking way. Sorry

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310540]Trending: An NFL executive said the #Commanders could "justify" trading their first round pick for #49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo due to the expected weakness of the rookie QB class, via @TheAthletic

Here we go.... Good lord man[/quote]

I assume he was an executive for the 49ers

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[quote=Chico23231;1310541]Absolutely no fucking way. Sorry[/quote]

RR and company are DESPERATE at this point. Best case scenario is to go 0-17 but weve got too good a team and RR dont tank.

Im scared.

Soon enough we will be talking ourselves it liking it saying "Rams dont value 1st rounders and look at them ... id trade Jamin Davis for Jimmy so its comparable ... he was ranked 9th in 3rd down conversion thru pass percentage"

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310539]I saw Picket throw in training the other day and that damn glove freaks me out.. His arm isn't elite either, Willis BY FAR has the biggest upside of any QB in this class.[/quote]


I don't disagree ... but Willis seems to have already generated buzz that will push him up from our spot at 11. How far do we go to ensure we draft him? Are we pulling "an RGIII" to land Willis?

I wouldn't.

He has tools, but I'm not comfortable giving up assets to move up the draft board to snag any rookie in this year's QB crop. (I'd give up assets to trade for an established NFL QB, but that doesn't look like a viable path this year for us).


I prefer Pickett to Matt Coral and Sam Howell --- Pickett's bigger, has comparable speed, and lots of experience.


If he busts (any rookie QB we draft) take another swing at next year's crop of collegiate QBs ...

Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Phil Jurcovic, Spencer Rattler, Kedon Slovis, Dillon Gabriel, Brenan Armstrong, Henden Hooker, Malik Cunningham, Max Johnson, DJ Uagalelei .... plus others.

I think next year's group is deeper than this year's.

But that's just me.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310539]I saw Picket throw in training the other day and that damn glove freaks me out.. His arm isn't elite either, [B]Willis BY FAR has the biggest upside of any QB in this class.[/B][/quote]

That may be true but how long are you willing to wait for him to learn to play the QB position in the NFL? This is a serious question. To me, he is a superior athlete with a strong arm who has a lot to learn about playing QB.

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I just don’t trust Pickett, I think he was a one year wonder.

Corral is good but he’s injury prone. Misses games every year In college.

I can see why Ron would go after Jimmy G, he knows this class will be a project class. We don’t have time to “hope”

Yeah Jimmy isn’t elite but he’s better than Heineke.

We have to be realistic as a fan base. Will we really trade a fortune for Russell Wilson? I don’t think Ron will. I hope he does but he’s huge on keeping draft capital.

Is Carson Wentz a possibility?
Jameis Winston?

If I’m drafting a QB I’m picking Willis Or Howell.


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310553]I just don’t trust Pickett, I think he was a one year wonder.

Corral is good but he’s injury prone. Misses games every year In college.

I can see why Ron would go after Jimmy G, he knows this class will be a project class. We don’t have time to “hope”

Yeah Jimmy isn’t elite but he’s better than Heineke.

We have to be realistic as a fan base. Will we really trade a fortune for Russell Wilson? I don’t think Ron will. I hope he does but he’s huge on keeping draft capital.

Is Carson Wentz a possibility?
Jameis Winston?

If I’m drafting a QB I’m picking Willis Or Howell.


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Do you really think Willis could develop into a legit QB? I have a really hard time with that. I think Ridder or Howell are better prospects and you could in the second or move back later in first if possible

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[quote=Chico23231;1310554]Do you really think Willis could develop into a legit QB? I have a really hard time with that. I think Ridder or Howell are better prospects and you could in the second or move back later in first if possible[/quote]

I think I am in agreement with you. They all have flaws, some more glaring than others, but I really don't want them to use the 11th pick on any of the QBs in this draft (or Jimmy G).

You could land a really good WR, CB, or even O-lineman at 11 instead of reaching for a QB. Ridder in the 2nd would be nice.

Fact is, Mac Jones was the least favored QB of the five picked in the 1st round last year, and he turned out to be the most impressive out of them all. Davis Mills in the 3rd was probably as impressive, with less of a supporting cast.

No reason to waste that pick at 11 on a QB, not this year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310540]Trending: An NFL executive said the #Commanders could "justify" trading their first round pick for #49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo due to the expected weakness of the rookie QB class, via @TheAthletic

Here we go.... Good lord man[/quote]

While that seems a lot for him I think a first for a known commodity at QB is par. I am indifferent to the move personally. Don’t love it for sure.

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In this weak QB class for every QB taken before us means a much better player just fell a spot .. we could end up with a top 5 player by taking BPA .. Is there ANY free agent QB out there that would be upgrade that we could get without giving up draft capital? We can’t draft a QB at 11 and fail with top 5 players sitting there .. the only QB I think worth 11 is Willis just because his athletic ability and huge upside..

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Weak draft class or not, Garappolo is not worth a 1st and a new 30+mil per year contract.

Rookie contracts are team friendly. They need to go with a rookie QB.

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If they give up a first for him ill throw in the towel on this team. He is propped up by that defense, and run game. If he were our quarterback this past year we are no better and no worse. Id rather watch TH for a cheaper price and keep the first. I’ve waited this many years for a quarterback I can wait one more for a real one without panicking and throwing away picks and money for this guy.

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Teams overpay for QBs. That's just the way it is. Desperate teams are even more prone to overpay - and this team is in that category. I'm not going to allow myself to be surprised that they overpaid for whoever the QB is next year.

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[quote=punch it in;1310572]If they give up a first for him ill throw in the towel on this team. He is propped up by that defense, and run game. If he were our quarterback this past year we are no better and no worse. Id rather watch TH for a cheaper price and keep the first. I’ve waited this many years for a quarterback I can wait one more for a real one without panicking and throwing away picks and money for this guy.[/quote]

I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Jimmy G would be a big upgrade over TH. I'm not even a big fan of JG, and I think this says more about how mediocre TH is, but JG would definitely make us instantly much more competitive. Would I give up a first rounder for him? Hell no.

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Jimmy G is a version of Alex Smith who isn't afraid to throw downfield. Washington can win with that. San Francisco has gone on record saying they aren't moving him if they don't get what they want. Could just be posturing not sure

Jimmy G vs Winston? Hmmm interesting. I would take either instead of reaching on one of this years rookies.

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[quote=MTK;1310579]I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Jimmy G would be a big upgrade over TH. I'm not even a big fan of JG, and I think this says more about how mediocre TH is, but JG would definitely make us instantly much more competitive. Would I give up a first rounder for him? Hell no.[/quote]

The problem is the Alex Smith double whammy…the trade AND the contract. What are you gonna commit to both of these?

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[quote=Chico23231;1310583]The problem is the Alex Smith double whammy…the trade AND the contract. What are you gonna commit to both of these?[/quote]

Yeah not much, I was just talking strictly about his abilities vs TH. I'm not a big fan of JG at all but he's definitely an upgrade. I'm definitely not interested in giving up significant assets and committing to him with a big extension.

The Carson Wentz situation is much more interesting to me.

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Good opinions on the QB situation in this thread. All are valid.

The more I think about it I would go with Winston because he is a free agent and we wouldn't have to give up a pick. If you love Pickett or Coral or Willis draft them also and the QB situation is resolved for awhile.

If you don't love one of the QBs go linebacker or another position of need.

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[quote=punch it in;1310572]If they give up a first for him ill throw in the towel on this team. He is propped up by that defense, and run game. If he were our quarterback this past year we are no better and no worse. Id rather watch TH for a cheaper price and keep the first. I’ve waited this many years for a quarterback I can wait one more for a real one without panicking and throwing away picks and money for this guy.[/quote]

He's in the tier of Cousins IMO, Give him a good line and Run game and he can win

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Report: The #Commanders, #Eagles, #Panthers and #Broncos are all prepared to take a “major swing” at the QB position, per @AlbertBreer

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I reckon it's pretty simple:

1) Russell Wilson - if we can get him and not overpay (too many picks) we'd be stupid not to. It gives RR the veteran he prefers with a proven track record and still plenty of years in the tank. I'd then draft for other needs and keep TH as backup (proven). However, I'm not sure given the market we can get him. At least not without selling the farm, and even assuming he would entertain coming here.
2) I'd pick up someone like Winston in FA. He was doing OK in NO before getting hurt and he'd definitely be an upgrade over TH starting (though that's not saying too much). Again, I'd keep TH as #2.
3) I'd look at a trade for Jimmy G. Like Winston he's not the best option, but better than what we have. Again I'd keep TH as #2. However, I strongly suspect he'll go elsewhere, not least because the 9ers could look to stiff us on any deal. i would NOT surrender major picks for him despite it being a sellers market.
3) I'd draft the best of the top 3 QB's available when we pick. Mocks suggest at least 2 QB's gone before we pick, but if we could get Willis, Howell or even Pickett that would be a good result. I'm not convinced about Corral, or overly convinced by the top 3 for that matter, but on the other hand, if we can get option 2 or 3 above and still able to draft at #11 I'd be OK with the pick and have him as a project. But I would not trade up with the quality available in this draft. If you're going to give up picks in a trade, give them up for a known value.
4) There is no option 4. We need a new starting QB. ASAP.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1310610]Report: The #Commanders, #Eagles, #Panthers and #Broncos are all prepared to take a “major swing” at the QB position, per @AlbertBreer[/quote]

Breer really going out on a limb with that one

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One thing I would consider since GB is planning on keeping Rodgers. I would inquire about Jordan Love and what would it take to get him. He’s been in the league 3 years, is unproven but would be better than anyone coming out of college.

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Wentz on the cheap and his last chance sounds good.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1310615]One thing I would consider since GB is planning on keeping Rodgers. I would inquire about Jordan Love and what would it take to get him. He’s been in the league 3 years, is unproven but would be better than anyone coming out of college.[/quote]

I think he's worth a 3rd round trade. He has potential

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Sources: With the full support of Dave Ziegler and Josh McDaniels, the #Raiders plan to offer Derek Carr top-tier QB money. I’m told that Carr is seeking in the range of $35M+. It’s also worth noting that both sides are open to a short-term extension.

Take Carr off the list

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1310615]One thing I would consider since GB is planning on keeping Rodgers. I would inquire about Jordan Love and what would it take to get him. He’s been in the league 3 years, is unproven but would be better than anyone coming out of college.[/quote]

He had all offseason with the first team reps and he made zero progress. If they sign AR they will move on from Love but I wouldn't expect much from him he has shown no game awareness when he has played.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1310579]I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Jimmy G would be a big upgrade over TH. I'm not even a big fan of JG, and I think this says more about how mediocre TH is, but JG would definitely make us instantly much more competitive. Would I give up a first rounder for him? Hell no.[/QUOTE]


Upgrade? Yes. Big upgrade? Idk. Im just saying ill take TH, the cash, and the first over Jimmy and wait one more year to see what is available in the way of quarterbacks if those were my two options,….

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1310609]He's in the tier of Cousins IMO, Give him a good line and Run game and he can win[/QUOTE]


I think KC is better. Jimmy has a very limited sample size, and it’s nothing special. He is gonna cash out undeservedly and should give half of it to his oline and rb’s back in SF. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;1310621]Upgrade? Yes. Big upgrade? Idk. Im just saying ill take TH, the cash, and the first over Jimmy and wait one more year to see what is available in the way of quarterbacks if those were my two options,….[/quote]

Same, we aren’t saying TH4 isn’t better than Jimmy G, but Jimmy G ain’t worth the pick and cash only to maybe result in one or at most probably two more wins than TH4 and either a rookie gamble this year or holding off for next year.

But that doesn’t compare to the ridiculousness of the Chase Young to Detroit for Goff rumor. That’s hands down one of the dumbest trade rumors I’ve ever heard of before lol.

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[url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/commanders-ron-rivera-has-tremendous-interest-in-keeping-terry-mclaurin-daron-payne-in-d-c/[/url]

Commanders' Ron Rivera has 'tremendous interest' in keeping Terry McLaurin, Daron Payne in D.C.

I think extending both these guys is the right move

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[quote=punch it in;1310622]I think KC is better. Jimmy has a very limited sample size, and it’s nothing special. He is gonna cash out undeservedly and should give half of it to his oline and rb’s back in SF. Lol[/quote]

No truer words have ever been said.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311065][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/commanders-ron-rivera-has-tremendous-interest-in-keeping-terry-mclaurin-daron-payne-in-d-c/[/url]

Commanders' Ron Rivera has 'tremendous interest' in keeping Terry McLaurin, Daron Payne in D.C.

I think extending both these guys is the right move[/quote]

I agree 100%.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311065][url]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/commanders-ron-rivera-has-tremendous-interest-in-keeping-terry-mclaurin-daron-payne-in-d-c/[/url]

Commanders' Ron Rivera has 'tremendous interest' in keeping Terry McLaurin, Daron Payne in D.C.

I think extending both these guys is the right move[/quote]

D Payne - would be nice, but how much $$ can you have tied up in one position group?

If I were McLaurin (and McKissic), I would wait until I see what the plan is at QB before I sign any offer.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1311070]I agree 100%.[/quote]

DON'T GET RID OF GOOD PLAYERS PERIOD

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ESPN’s
@john_keim
says that Washington and star free agent RG Brandon Scherff's "relationship appears to have run its course”