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For the "no one wants to come here"

[URL="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1501394815677878272"]@AllbrightNFL[/URL]
Confirms Russ wouldn't waive no trade after offers from WAS and Philly....

The Eagles have 3 first round picks this year and had more ammo than we had. Shows that Seattle wasn't trading Russ to any NFC team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312080]For the "no one wants to come here"

[URL="https://twitter.com/AllbrightNFL/status/1501394815677878272"]@AllbrightNFL[/URL]
Confirms Russ wouldn't waive no trade after offers from WAS and Philly....

The Eagles have 3 first round picks this year and had more ammo than we had. Shows that Seattle wasn't trading Russ to any NFC team.[/quote]

We've been such a shit show for so long, it really is hard to not take the most jaded position possible. That's Snyder's legacy. He has turned the fan base into one of the most pessimistic (justifiably so imo) fan bases in the league.

So even when things are 100% out of the teams control, lots of us just assume the team fucked up yet again.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312082]We've been such a shit show for so long, it really is hard to not take the most jaded position possible. That's Snyder's legacy. He has turned the fan base into one of the most pessimistic (justifiably so imo) fan bases in the league.

So even when things are 100% out of the teams control, lots of us just assume the team fucked up yet again.[/quote]

I get it, but it is tiring when people start spewing opinions as facts or just pulling things out of their assess. And I mean mostly people on Twitter that are just making sh*t up.

Also the local media, who are supposed to analyze things, are just b*tching and moaning like fans. I almost turned off JP Findlay's podcast today because of it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312083]I get it, but it is tiring when people start spewing opinions as facts or just pulling things out of their assess. And I mean mostly people on Twitter that are just making sh*t up.

Also the local media, who are supposed to analyze things, are just b*tching and moaning like fans. I almost turned off JP Findlay's podcast today because of it.[/quote]

Twitter is a plague upon mankind.

I've never been a sports radio guy, but I definitely see how that would be frustrating.

I'm actually glad we lost that trade based on what the Broncos gave up. Maybe it works out for them, but they gave up a lot.

Sounds like the team made a more than fair offer and it didn't work out. Losing out on Wilson wasn't the team messing up imo. But I could see why others might feel differently about this particular situation.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312087]Twitter is a plague upon mankind.

I've never been a sports radio guy, but I definitely see how that would be frustrating.

I'm actually glad we lost that trade based on what the Broncos gave up. Maybe it works out for them, but they gave up a lot.

Sounds like the team made a more than fair offer and it didn't work out. Losing out in Wilson wasn't the team messing up imo.[/quote]

Side note, I may weep for real the day that John Keim decides to step away from covering the team.

He and Nicki Jhabvala are probably the two most unbiased reporters in the area.

I think JP Findlay has been hanging out with the Junkies too much, he's starting to go the way of Grant Paulsen/Chris Russell when covering the team.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312089]Side note, I may weep for real the day that John Keim decides to step away from covering the team.

He and Nicki Jhabvala are probably the two most unbiased reporters in the area.

I think JP Findlay has been hanging out with the Junkies too much, he's starting to go the way of Grant Paulsen/Chris Russell when covering the team.[/quote]

John Keim is definitely the man. He's my favorite for sure. I think that's why he is still with ESPN, because he is so well received. If he writes something, I assume it's true. He's not a sensationalist.

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@Schultz_Report
#Commanders have taken a long look at Jameis Winston and continue to have interest in the former No. 1 overall pick, per a league source. I’m told not to rule out a return to the #Saints either for Winston, who’s progressing off a torn ACL.

I'd rather roll with Winston and a rookie. Hell, signing Winston wouldn't rule out Watson either.

Also, are fans really turning up their noses at some of these FA QBs, when we had Heinecke and his noodle arm?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312095]@Schultz_Report
#Commanders have taken a long look at Jameis Winston and continue to have interest in the former No. 1 overall pick, per a league source. I’m told not to rule out a return to the #Saints either for Winston, who’s progressing off a torn ACL.

I'd rather roll with Winston and a rookie. Hell, signing Winston wouldn't rule out Watson either.

Also, are fans really turning up their noses at some of these FA QBs, when we had Heinecke and his noodle arm?[/quote]

I'm biased as fuck, but even including that, Winston is a definite upgrade over Heinicke.

Rodgers is gone, Wilson is gone, Watson really shouldn't be here, the only actual good option imo is:

Trubisky/Winston and draft a QB at 11. Or maybe trade up to get Rivera's guy or down and get more picks and a Ridder/Strong at the end of the 1st.

Waiting until our 2nd pick is basically eliminated now.

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I would take a chance on Love:

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-commanders-trade-rumors-aaron-rodgers-jordan-love-green-bay-packers-ron-rivera#gid=ci029a67ebd00024ff&pid=usatsi_17144869[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1312098]I would take a chance on Love:

[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/washingtonfootball/news/washington-commanders-trade-rumors-aaron-rodgers-jordan-love-green-bay-packers-ron-rivera#gid=ci029a67ebd00024ff&pid=usatsi_17144869[/url][/QUOTE]


I hope you find someone that makes you happy. [emoji23]

Seriously, Im not giving up any serious assets for a late first round pick that has shown next to nothing over three years, when we can draft our own and give up nothing for him.

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[quote=punch it in;1312101]I hope you find someone that makes you happy. [emoji23]

[B]Seriously, Im not giving up any serious assets for a late first round pick that has shown next to nothing over three years, when we can draft our own and give up nothing for him.[/B][/quote]

this 100%!!!

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10 Years ago today wow

Cross Washington off the list for Peyton manning. Skins trade 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder for rams #2 pick and RGIII #Redskins

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312083]I get it, but it is tiring when people start spewing opinions as facts or just pulling things out of their assess. And I mean mostly people on Twitter that are just making sh*t up.

Also the local media, who are supposed to analyze things, are just b*tching and moaning like fans. I almost turned off JP Findlay's podcast today because of it.[/quote]

Curiously inquiring...... What was JP Findlay saying? I thought at one point in time he was a good listen. Within the past season, he has been so so.

As far as Twitter..... It can be a good place for realtime news and even interesting dialogue. But far more times than not; it's a cesspool. A place where punks turn into obnoxious bullies. People directly targeting players, coaches, and whatnot. Spewing things they'd likely never say to anyone in person. It's sad. Unfortunately, welcome to today's society.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312089]Side note, I may weep for real the day that John Keim decides to step away from covering the team.

He and Nicki Jhabvala are probably the two most unbiased reporters in the area.

I think JP Findlay has been hanging out with the Junkies too much, he's starting to go the way of Grant Paulsen/Chris Russell when covering the team.[/quote]

Ben Standig is great too, though I'd rather read his stuff vs hearing him on a podcast.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312105]10 Years ago today wow

Cross Washington off the list for Peyton manning. [B]Skins trade 3 first round picks and a 2nd rounder for rams #2 pick and RGIII[/B] #Redskins[/quote]

Still too soon you bastard lol.

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[quote=MTK;1312107]Ben Standig is great too, though I'd rather read his stuff vs hearing him on a podcast.[/quote]

i want read that article he just put out about missing out on RW.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312095]@Schultz_Report
#Commanders have taken a long look at Jameis Winston and continue to have interest in the former No. 1 overall pick, per a league source. I’m told not to rule out a return to the #Saints either for Winston, who’s progressing off a torn ACL.

I'd rather roll with Winston and a rookie. Hell, signing Winston wouldn't rule out Watson either.

Also, are fans really turning up their noses at some of these FA QBs, when we had Heinecke and his noodle arm?[/quote]

I'm glad to hear they are interested in Winston. We could certainly do much worse. Like rolling with Heinicke again.

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[quote=mredskins;1312112]i want read that article he just put out about missing out on RW.[/quote]

I can give you a free 30 day pass for The Athletic if you don't have a subscription already, just shoot me a private message with your email

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How about Mariota and drafting Willis or Coral if Willis is gone.

Winston coming off ACL is concerning. Not sure about Tribuski. Don’t want to give up assets for Jimmy G or Love.

I know one thing. Unless we plan on Heineke and a rookie we better stop taking a long look and do something before all the options are gone.

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[quote=MTK;1312115]I can give you a free 30 day pass for The Athletic if you don't have a subscription already, just shoot me a private message with your email[/quote]

Its the best Page out there IMO

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The Seahawks are now in the running for watson as well.

Panthers , Hawks , Commanders and Steelers

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[URL="https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33458132/grand-jury-hear-evidence-friday-case-involving-houston-texans-qb-deshaun-watson"]Grand jury will hear evidence on Friday in case involving Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson[/URL]

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[quote=PorkSkins;1312106]Curiously inquiring...... What was JP Findlay saying? I thought at one point in time he was a good listen. Within the past season, he has been so so.

As far as Twitter..... It can be a good place for realtime news and even interesting dialogue. But far more times than not; it's a cesspool. A place where punks turn into obnoxious bullies. People directly targeting players, coaches, and whatnot. Spewing things they'd likely never say to anyone in person. It's sad. Unfortunately, welcome to today's society.[/quote]

It wasn't necessarily JP, but Mitch (who I like) said something along the lines of "we have Heinecke who could be traded" in response to Denver trading Lock. They've been building up the potential disappointment of not getting Wilson, and I get that they are fans too, but they more or less dismissed the notion that Seattle wasn't trading Wilson to an NFC team.

There are reports from credible folks that Seattle was not going to trade Russ to an NFC team. And this is reinforced by the fact that Philly was in the hunt and they have 3 first rounders this year, even two of them is a better offer than what Denver offered in terms of picks.

Any reporter that keeps banging the "Russ didn't pick us" is just looking for clicks and rile up the fan base IMO.

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[quote=punch it in;1312101]I hope you find someone that makes you happy. [emoji23]

Seriously, Im not giving up any serious assets for a late first round pick that has shown next to nothing over three years, when we can draft our own and give up nothing for him.[/quote]

He’s played one game in 3 years backing up Rogers. He would be better than anything coming out of the draft and has 3’years experience. I would offer a 4th or 3rd.

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[quote=MTK;1312114]I'm glad to hear they are interested in Winston. We could certainly do much worse. [B]Like rolling with Heinicke again.[/B][/quote]

or signing Mitch T

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312126]He’s played one game in 3 years backing up Rogers. He would be better than anything coming out of the draft and has 3’years experience. I would offer a 4th or 3rd.[/quote]

I agree with this, I'd take Love over Mitch , we already know what MT is.. Love hasn't had a legit shot.

He's 23 years old, hell he could be a rookie this yr..

I'd offer a 4th today and if they say no, offer a 3rd

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312125]It wasn't necessarily JP, but Mitch (who I like) said something along the lines of "we have Heinecke who could be traded" in response to Denver trading Lock. They've been building up the potential disappointment of not getting Wilson, and I get that they are fans too, but they more or less dismissed the notion that Seattle wasn't trading Wilson to an NFC team.

There are reports from credible folks that Seattle was not going to trade Russ to an NFC team. And this is reinforced by the fact that Philly was in the hunt and they have 3 first rounders this year, even two of them is a better offer than what Denver offered in terms of picks.

[B]Any reporter that keeps banging the "Russ didn't pick us" is just looking for clicks and rile up the fan base IMO[/B].[/quote]

I am starting to agree with you. Oh well, it is always something that foils us catching the big fish.

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Love looked terrible in limited action last year. Definitely wouldn't give up anything better than a 5th for him. I'd rather go with a more established vet like Winston or Mariota.

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[quote=ArizonaSkinFan;1312118]How about Mariota and drafting Willis or Coral if Willis is gone.

[B]Winston coming off ACL is concerning.[/B] Not sure about Tribuski. Don’t want to give up assets for Jimmy G or Love.

I know one thing. Unless we plan on Heineke and a rookie we better stop taking a long look and do something before all the options are gone.[/quote]

ACL surgeries/recoveries are so routine now. I mean at this level, they are all but fullproof.

This is the same reason I'd be fine with us picking the WR Williams from Alabama at 11 (hopefully its a QB, but I'd be OK with BPA here and QB in round 2).

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[quote=MTK;1312133]Love looked terrible in limited action last year. I'd rather go with a more established vet like Winston or Mariota.[/quote]

He did look bad but it was half of a game? Mitch played for 2 seasons and didn't show anything.. I'd take Winston over both but who is to say the Saints won't re-sign him? Or that he would even come to WSH

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[quote=MTK;1312133]Love looked terrible in limited action last year. Definitely wouldn't give up anything better than a 5th for him. I'd rather go with a more established vet like Winston or Mariota.[/quote]

Fingers and toes crossed that we go for the veteran/draft pick combo. No picks given up for any current realistic veteran option.

We need it.

Vet/Rookie/Heinicke or Allen

This is what I hope we have heading into training camp.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312135]He did look bad but it was half of a game? Mitch played for 2 seasons and didn't show anything.. I'd take Winston over both but who is to say the Saints won't re-sign him? Or that he would even come to WSH[/quote]

He played in 6 games, started 1, and did nothing to impress. Not saying case is closed on him, but he didn't look good at all

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LoveJo03/gamelog/2021/[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1312137]He played in 6 games, started 1, and did nothing to impress. Not saying case is closed on him, but he didn't look good at all

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/L/LoveJo03/gamelog/2021/[/url][/quote]

Definitely can't give up more than a ham sandwich for him. He is now halfway through his contract too. So even if it worked out somewhat, you would have to make a decision on a fat contract too soon.

I'd pass on Love.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1312126]He’s played one game in 3 years backing up Rogers. He would be better than anything coming out of the draft and has 3’years experience. I would offer a 4th or 3rd.[/QUOTE]


He “might” be better than anything coming out of this years draft. Just because he is backing up Rodgers doesn’t mean he should or would be starting anywhere else. I mean he went 28th in the draft. Who knows. Id give up a fourth for him though.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312125]It wasn't necessarily JP, but Mitch (who I like) said something along the lines of "we have Heinecke who could be traded" in response to Denver trading Lock. They've been building up the potential disappointment of not getting Wilson, and I get that they are fans too, but they more or less dismissed the notion that Seattle wasn't trading Wilson to an NFC team.

There are reports from credible folks that Seattle was not going to trade Russ to an NFC team. And this is reinforced by the fact that Philly was in the hunt and they have 3 first rounders this year, even two of them is a better offer than what Denver offered in terms of picks.

Any reporter that keeps banging the "Russ didn't pick us" is just looking for clicks and rile up the fan base IMO.[/quote]

Had to stop listening to that podcast a while ago, back when the pandemic first hit and the audio quality was always so terrible, like JP was calling in from a 3rd world country on a flip phone. Their schtick is somewhat amusing, but their analysis doesn't offer much IMO. Likable guys but I just got tired of that pod.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1312139]Definitely can't give up more than a ham sandwich for him. He is now halfway through his contract too. So even if it worked out somewhat, you would have to make a decision on a fat contract too soon.

I'd pass on Love.[/QUOTE]


This is a good point. He is gonna be coming up on a contract year. Yeah pass. I aint giving up crap for Love.

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[quote=punch it in;1312145][B]This is a good point.[/B] He is gonna be coming up on a contract year. Yeah pass. I aint giving up crap for Love.[/quote]

I'm like a broken clock, I am right about twice per day (wrong all the other times).

Love didn't make sense to me when GB picked him, and he doesn't make sense for us now imo.

Definite pass for me.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312135]He did look bad but it was half of a game? [B]Mitch played for 2 seasons and didn't show anything[/B].. I'd take Winston over both but who is to say the Saints won't re-sign him? Or that he would even come to WSH[/quote]

That is simply incorrect. He didn't have a lot of experience coming out of college, but he has all the tools, a decisively winning record as a starter, and two playoff appearances in the NFL. And no, it wasn't only the Bears defense that provided that success. Yes, that played a part, but just like almost every other QB that has success - it is partially because of the team around him.

Honestly, I'd be fine with Winston or Trubisky since we are on to sloppy seconds...but I would prefer MT between the two.

No to Love.

No to Garappolo.

No to Watson (unless he's miraculously cleared - but you can't wait for that...)

No to trading up in the draft.

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Last offseason we signed Fitz before the draft. Who knows if we would have traded up for Mac Jones when he dropped if we hadnt done that.

FA starts March 16, draft April 28.

I wish it was switched and we got to see the drat play out first to see if Willis or some we like is there and then have FA after.

I would guess if we sign a Trubisky or Winston, wed still take a QB at 11 if we liked them.

edit ..

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33460685/sources-new-york-giants-expected-make-run-qb-mitchell-trubisky[/url]

Vagiants rumored to make a run at Trubisky .. Id take Daniel Jones for a conditional 5th, 3rd if he starts 12 or more games.

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When LaFleur was asked why risk injury to Rodgers toe and not play Love late in the season to get a better look he said I have seen enough of him playing. That is a pretty sound indictment to me.