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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312703]You don't draft a QB every year. You study and scout them, and if one you really like falls to you or you are in a position to otherwise move around to get him, fine. But you don't just draft a QB every year just to draft a QB - get them in the "pipeline".[/quote]

Not necessarily every year, but you should be drafting them all the time.

Ideally, you get your franchise guy that is there for 5-10 years and you draft good depth in the later rounds and coach them up. Then if you have your franchise guy still, you can trade him for a better pick, rinse and repeat.

Obviously you are going to miss on most guys, so that is why you have to keep drafting.

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I was thinking about compensation for Wentz and next year hopefully 2nd round pick going to Colts…we should probably receive a high comp pick for Schreff and potentially a large Settle contract.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312703]You don't draft a QB every year. You study and scout them, and if one you really like falls to you or you are in a position to otherwise move around to get him, fine. But you don't just draft a QB every year just to draft a QB - get them in the "pipeline".[/quote]

Fair enough - but just about every year. I'm not going two straight years w/ out drafting one.

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[quote=Chico23231;1312704]You just can’t get the reps to develop them if you draft one each year.

Also another thing, these fucking guys are such pussies these days, we are raising bitches unfortunately. Carson Wentz is a prime example of his ego was so bruised by Hurts being drafted…it’s put his career in jeopardy and why he is here. So it’s another thing to consider when drafting a QB often.[/quote]

If you're a baller why would you worry and get your feelings hurt over a QB like Jalen Hurts?

Rodgers was certainly pissed about Love but only cause he wanted more talent around him. He wasn't worried one damn bit about the competition.

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Let's say for the sake of argument that Ridder or Strong or someone they like falls to the 2nd round. What do you do?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312715]Let's say for the sake of argument that Ridder or Strong or someone they like falls to the 2nd round. What do you do?[/quote]

I'd take either in the 2nd and tell Carson to suck on a lemon if he doesn't like it. This is the NFL. Someone will always want your spot. Don't let them take that shit.

Wentz/Carson or Ridder >>>>>>> Fitzpatrick/Heinicke/Allen

Although its unfortunate Fitz didn't get to play the season out. Moreso based on age I'd rather have Wentz than him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1312717]I'd take either in the 2nd and tell Carson to suck on a lemon if he doesn't like it. This is the NFL. Someone will always want your spot. Don't let them take that shit.

Wentz/Carson or Ridder >>>>>>> Fitzpatrick/Heinicke/Allen

Although its unfortunate Fitz didn't get to play the season out. Moreso based on age I'd rather have Wentz than him.[/quote]

This is what I'm saying. You have to take that guy. What happens if Wentz turns his knee again? You trotting noodle arm back out there? You have to keep trying to upgrade the position. This is a one year prove it deal for Wentz. If it doesn't work then this time next year you got nothing.

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I mean there's also the scenario in which they don't particularly like any of the QBs outside of the top 3. Carson being on a prove-it deal leads to a scenario where you see how this year goes and draft a QB in what most view as a much better class next year. You spend the draft capital on other needs or just grab BPA regardless.

Personally, I'm okay with either scenario.

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Looking like Ertz is a real possibility too

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312722]This is what I'm saying. You have to take that guy. What happens if Wentz turns his knee again? You trotting noodle arm back out there? You have to keep trying to upgrade the position. This is a one year prove it deal for Wentz. If it doesn't work then this time next year you got nothing.[/quote]

I don't think either of them make it to us unfortunately. I seem Ridder going in round 1 and Carson going ahead of us in round 2.

Carson is underrated by everyone imo.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312724]Looking like Ertz is a real possibility too[/quote]

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“Deshaun Watson made it clear he would not waive his no trade clause for a number of teams and Washington was one”

JLC

So like we all assumed , Watson was never a possibility

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The most telling thing about this trade is that Indy has NO QB in building.

The Colts would rather have NO QB than have Wentz there another minute.

We are so fucked.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1312742]The most telling thing about this trade is that Indy has NO QB in building.

The Colts would rather have NO QB than have Wentz there another minute.

We are so fucked.

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They have options and in order for them to exercise those options they needed to unload Wentz, now if they start Sam Ehlinger week one, ok i agree with you but lets see what happens with them.

I watched the Hard Knocks, in season, it was actually pretty good. I hope they do another in season much more enjoyable.

Anywho, I mean if you can watch that and decide that Wentz was the Colts problem, i like to hear your argument. Even most talking heads are scratching their heads more with WTF is Indy going to do vs. the Commanders are fawked with this guy Carson.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1312743]They have options and in order for them to exercise those options they needed to unload Wentz, now if they start Sam Ehlinger week one, ok i agree with you but lets see what happens with them.



I watched the Hard Knocks, in season, it was actually pretty good. I hope they do another in season much more enjoyable.



Anywho, I mean if you can watch that and decide that Wentz was the Colts problem, i like to hear your argument. Even most talking heads are scratching their heads more with WTF is Indy going to do vs. the Commanders are fawked with this guy Carson.[/QUOTE]Wife is a Colts fan so we watchd all the games last year, especially the last one vs the Jags.

Wentz is awful, he is a me first guy and his play reflects that.

The Colts have ZERO top QB options, they'll end up with Fitz maybe but they got better and we 100% just got worse.

Not sure ehat I expectEd really. We are a shit franchise, have been for 20+ years and will never be relevant while myself and Daniel Snyder are alive.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1312744]Wife is a Colts fan so we watchd all the games last year, especially the last one vs the Jags.

Wentz is awful, he is a me first guy and his play reflects that.

The Colts have ZERO top QB options, they'll end up with Fitz maybe but they got better and we 100% just got worse.

Not sure ehat I expectEd really. We are a shit franchise, have been for 20+ years and will never be relevant while myself and Daniel Snyder are alive.

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The real fail this off season is if TH was behind center week one in Sept.

Is Wentz the cream of the crop for this year, nope not by a long shot but its he best we can get. think of us as someone with bad credit and we need a used car, Wentz was the best used car on Eastern Motors lot that we could get with our credit and its a upgrade over the pile of junk we rolled in with (TH).

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In the past Indy, more particularly Irsay, has deliberately tanked their QB position to get a good draft position, so I don't think anything can be discounted regarding their plans for the QB position. As for all of the negative PR against Wentz, some might be justified but a great deal is there to justify the owner getting involved in jettisoning the starting QB when there is no better option available.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1312745]The real fail this off season is if TH was behind center week one in Sept.



Is Wentz the cream of the crop for this year, nope not by a long shot but its he best we can get. think of us as someone with bad credit and we need a used car, Wentz was the best used car on Eastern Motors lot that we could get with our credit and its a upgrade over the pile of junk we rolled in with (TH).[/QUOTE]I agree with the first point: no way we could go into this year with TH as the starter. I see zero difference in Wentz and Fitz except Wentz is a goddam turnover MACHINE and we had to GIVE UP pick we can't afford to lose AND were eating his massive, shit salary.

This is a huge L all around in my eyes.

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Idk how anyone can say Wentz is a me first guy.. His teammates all loved him, Frank Reich says he’s a class act and hard worker.

I think it has more to do with Irsay trying to find the next Manning , ever since Peyton left they have sucked (other than a couple healthy Andrew Luck seasons)

Again I’ll say this, he was god awful against the Jags but so was Josh Allen.. Maybe the Jags D is better than people think..

I’d rather have Wentz all day over the rest of the QBs available and a rookie from a “weak class” of QBs.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1312748]Idk how anyone can say Wentz is a me first guy.. His teammates all loved him, Frank Reich says he’s a class act and hard worker.

I think it has more to do with Irsay trying to find the next Manning , ever since Peyton left they have sucked (other than a couple healthy Andrew Luck seasons)

Again I’ll say this, he was god awful against the Jags but so was Josh Allen.. Maybe the Jags D is better than people think..

I’d rather have Wentz all day over the rest of the QBs available and a rookie from a “weak class” of QBs.[/QUOTE]All his teammates loved him, eh?

Let's ask Darren Sproles how much of a beloved team mate he really is. [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]

[url]https://thelibertyline.com/2022/03/11/darren-sproles-tried-to-fight-carson-wentz-gives-eagles-fans-one-more-reason-to-love-him/[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1312748]Idk how anyone can say Wentz is a me first guy.. His teammates all loved him, Frank Reich says he’s a class act and hard worker.

I think it has more to do with Irsay trying to find the next Manning , ever since Peyton left they have sucked (other than a couple healthy Andrew Luck seasons)

Again I’ll say this, he was god awful against the Jags but so was Josh Allen.. Maybe the Jags D is better than people think..

I’d rather have Wentz all day over the rest of the QBs available and a rookie from a “weak class” of QBs.[/QUOTE]Or we can ask some of his Indy teammates.

Seems like almost everyone feels the same about ol Commander Carson.

[url]https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/03/11/unflattering-report-emerges-about-carson-wentz-after-colts-traded-him-to-washington/[/url]

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1312751]Or we can ask some of his Indy teammates.

Seems like almost everyone feels the same about ol Commander Carson.

[url]https://www.totalprosports.com/2022/03/11/unflattering-report-emerges-about-carson-wentz-after-colts-traded-him-to-washington/[/url]

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I guess we shall see; we have him on a year prove it deal. Honestly more is at stake for Carson then the Commanders. If he doesn't pan out we have a higher draft pick if he works out we have a path forward at QB.

Again going back to the used car comparison he is the best we could get with our current credit score.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1312752]I guess we shall see; we have him on a year prove it deal. Honestly more is at stake for Carson then the Commanders. If he doesn't pan out we have a higher draft pick if he works out we have a path forward at QB.



Again going back to the used car comparison he is the best we could get with our current credit score.[/QUOTE]I like the last part of your post.

You're definitely right there. I think I'm just frustrated realizing we are a bottom feeder franchise now that MULTIPLE players have seen very clear, under NO circumstances were they going to play for us.

We're not going to be relevant until we get rid of that stigma and honestly, that's going to take 5+ years of being at least competitive but we all know, that's likely never going to happen.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;1312753]I like the last part of your post.

You're definitely right there. I think I'm just frustrated realizing we are a bottom feeder franchise now that MULTIPLE players have seen very clear, under NO circumstances were they going to play for us.

We're not going to be relevant until we get rid of that stigma and honestly, that's going to take 5+ years of being at least competitive but we all know, that's likely never going to happen.

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Agree

This why i was arguing with Rushkins earlier in the week about Russell Wilson ,ok maybe Seattle wanted him out of the NFC, I get it, but another major hurdle in any trade for any one of elite or good status is anyone wanting to come here.

The Washington Commanders is a prime example of why super stars put in no trade clauses in their contracts.

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The team captain Darius Leonard said he hates to see him go..

If you watched hard knocks you would see that when that dude speaks the entire team listens..

I’ll take his words.

Also at the end of the day being negative about Wentz won’t change the fact that he’s now QB1. Let’s support the dude for this season and if he works out to be the long term answer we should all be happy


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[quote=mredskins;1312754]Agree

This why i was arguing with Rushkins earlier in the week about Russell Wilson ,ok maybe Seattle wanted him out of the NFC, I get it, but another major hurdle in any trade for any one of elite or good status is anyone wanting to come here.

[B]The Washington Commanders is a prime example of why super stars put in no trade clauses in their contracts[/B].[/quote]

Preach. Being traded to us is like being traded to the Jags now.

I'm in wait-and-see mode on Wentz. I still think we'll end up somewhere in the middle - not quite good enough to play with the elite teams, not quite bad enough to get a top 5 draft pick. Clock is really gonna start ticking on Ron next year - I don't see Wentz being our next long term solution at all.

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You don’t get a complete Veteran QB for a couple of second round picks.

CW has the physical tools and is tough player in the pocket. All his weaknesses can be corrected or hidden with good coaching.

Unfortunately for us, these coaches fucking suck.

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[quote=jamf;1312761]You don’t get a complete Veteran QB for a couple of second round picks.

CW has the physical tools and is tough player in the pocket. All his weaknesses can be corrected or hidden with good coaching.

Unfortunately for us, these coaches fucking suck.[/quote]

Frank Reich is a pretty good coach and couldn’t do it.

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CW will do fine here... all he's gotta do is master the hand off out of the shotgun... especially on 3rd and short

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[url]https://twitter.com/extendmclaurin/status/1503114784400678913?s=21[/url]


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but wait, I thought they all hated him and were happy to see him go

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[QUOTE=Swarley;1312784]but wait, I thought they all hated him and were happy to see him go[/QUOTE]


Fake news


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Hey Carson....DON'T MUCK IT UP!!!

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Ben Standig
@BenStandig
T.Y. Hilton on NFLN talking Wentz: "I loved him. ... was a leader for us. He stepped up big in the games we needed him. There were some games, you know, it wasn't good... I felt like he did a pretty good job under the circumstances. ... Whenever he got his chance, he made plays."

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Hes super religious. Which is totally cool but Id imagine he tends to flock together with the religious outdoors men type of players and not the drinking/strippers type players.

Only time I ever heard religion was a problem in the locker room was with Coach Zorn.

Winning = everything is great

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[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/3/15/22977762/qb1-film-session-what-is-washington-getting-in-qb-carson-wentz-this-year"]QB1 Film Session: What is Washington getting in QB Carson Wentz this year?[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1312980][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2022/3/15/22977762/qb1-film-session-what-is-washington-getting-in-qb-carson-wentz-this-year"]QB1 Film Session: What is Washington getting in QB Carson Wentz this year?[/URL][/quote]

As I stated, the guy is Jay Schroeder. He's going to make some big boy deep throws, then also miss an easy 10 yard dig or hold the ball too long, get sacked and fumble to lose the game. It's always going to be really good to really bad thing w/ him. Hopefully he can find that middle ground and not realize that every play has to be a hero play.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1312916]Ben Standig
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T.Y. Hilton on NFLN talking Wentz: "I loved him. ... was a leader for us. He stepped up big in the games we needed him. There were some games, you know, it wasn't good... I felt like he did a pretty good job under the circumstances. ... Whenever he got his chance, he made plays."[/quote]

I don't really care about the teammates thing. There were guys that couldn't stand Joe Theismann but he is loved in this town.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312991]I don't really care about the teammates thing. There were guys that couldn't stand Joe Theismann but he is loved in this town.[/quote]

Yes that is true, but the rumours being spread about Wentz were that he was bad in the lockerroom and these comments from teammates help to disprove that narrative

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312989]As I stated, the guy is Jay Schroeder. He's going to make some big boy deep throws, then also miss an easy 10 yard dig or hold the ball too long, get sacked and fumble to lose the game. It's always going to be really good to really bad thing w/ him. Hopefully he can find that middle ground and not realize that every play has to be a hero play.[/quote]

Well then, maybe in a year or two we can trade him for an all-pro tackle...