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[quote=SunnySide;1337328]But what should Curl earn in a new contract?

Coupled with Monday’s news regarding the salary cap increase in 2023, [B]Curl’s new contract should make him among the top five paid safeties in the NFL next season[/B]. Currently, Derwin James, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Jamal Adams, Harrison Smith and Justin Simmons comprise the top five. James has an average-annual value of $19 million per year, while Simmons comes in at $15.2 million.

[B]There’s no way Curl comes in less than $15 million per season[/B]. Regardless, Washington can’t wait this one out. It’s best for everyone if Washington calls Curl to the negotiating table in February and hammers out a new deal.

[url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/01/31/how-much-will-it-cost-for-the-washington-commanders-to-re-sign-safety-kamren-curl-daron-payne/[/url]

I like Curl but dang ...[/quote]


I hear you...

The reality is, even though the salary cap is going up, I don't think you can pay top five salaries for players at every position group. You have to pick your poison when it comes to resigning players to these lucrative contracts. Not everyone that balls out is going to be retained/paid. You sign who you can based on what you think their value is to the team, and then hope you can continue to find cheaper alternatives either in free agency or the draft for those players you can't afford. Letting Settle and Matty I go and bringing in Ridgeway and Mathis is an example of that likely working out / and letting Fowers and Scherff go and bringing in Turner and Norwell is an example of that not working out.

I don't know if Curl is going to get a top five salary here, but if not, my guess is he will get it somewhere else. It just boils down to the importance of the team being successful in the draft - especially the later rounds which is exactly where we found Curl, and being successful in free agency. I hope we retain Curl, but only if it makes sense with regard to the ability to build out the rest of the roster. If they can't extend him, it was a success - drafting him in the 7th round and getting four years out of him at that salary. We need more examples of that (and a QB).

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1337334]I hear you...

The reality is, even though the salary cap is going up, I don't think you can pay top five salaries for players at every position group. You have to pick your poison when it comes to resigning players to these lucrative contracts. Not everyone that balls out is going to be retained/paid. You sign who you can based on what you think their value is to the team, and then hope you can continue to find cheaper alternatives either in free agency or the draft for those players you can't afford. Letting Settle and Matty I go and bringing in Ridgeway and Mathis is an example of that likely working out / and letting Fowers and Scherff go and bringing in Turner and Norwell is an example of that not working out.

I don't know if Curl is going to get a top five salary here, but if not, my guess is he will get it somewhere else. It just boils down to the importance of the team being successful in the draft - especially the later rounds which is exactly where we found Curl, and being successful in free agency. I hope we retain Curl, but only if it makes sense with regard to the ability to build out the rest of the roster. If they can't extend him, it was a success - drafting him in the 7th round and getting four years out of him at that salary. We need more examples of that (and a QB).[/quote]

I know Norwell sucked a big bag early on and we had injuries causing a turnstile at RG .. but scherff wasnt good this year, I think the cap savings of not being anchored to a long term deal with an old oft injured vet in Scherff was the right move.

Scherff is a 20M cap hit next year, which is fine if he plays top 5 for guards ... but he didnt.

Norwell - 59.8 pff, 4 sacks
Scherff - 59 pff, 6 sacks

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Curl .. second highest rated safety by PFF w 82.9 .... and hes great in coverage, green dot, D better w him etc .. but did he have one game changing play this year?

I could name 10 safeties id want above steady solid Curl. I know it doesnt work that way and you have to pay whose available and the market is always being reset ...

Kinda like Sweat .. I just dont see either being elite at their position, very good yes but not elite

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I think Chief meant that we replaced Flowers and Scherff with inferior subs, not that we should have kept either. And Flowers was still an FA even when teams like Cincy were in dire need of OL. We just made a bad choice with who we replaced them with. I'd really like to have seen them rebuild the OL in the draft and I hope they do that this year. And not retain projects like Charles again!

With Curl the one factor I'd also consider is his locker room and on field leadership. All good words said about him by players and coaches and that doesn't count for nothing. Yes its a business, but you can't discount the intangibles when deciding what to pay him. You can't have 53 leaders on the roster, but we should try to keep at least one leader in each position group.

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[quote=SunnySide;1337335]I know Norwell sucked a big bag early on and we had injuries causing a turnstile at RG .. but scherff wasnt good this year, I think the cap savings of not being anchored to a long term deal with an old oft injured vet in Scherff was the right move.

Scherff is a 20M cap hit next year, which is fine if he plays top 5 for guards ... but he didnt.

Norwell - 59.8 pff, 4 sacks
Scherff - 59 pff, 6 sacks

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Curl .. second highest rated safety by PFF w 82.9 .... and hes great in coverage, green dot, D better w him etc .. but did he have one game changing play this year?

I could name 10 safeties id want above steady solid Curl. I know it doesnt work that way and you have to pay whose available and the market is always being reset ...

Kinda like Sweat .. I just dont see either being elite at their position, very good yes but not elite[/quote]

Yeah, I can't speak to what happened to Scherff this year in JAX, but I do know that we lost every single game in 2021 that he didn't start. Was that a coincidence? Maybe. Either way I was fine with letting him go (not paying him top $), I just wish we would have found a better alternative than who we brought in to replace him.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1337336]I think Chief meant that we replaced Flowers and Scherff with inferior subs, not that we should have kept either. And Flowers was still an FA even when teams like Cincy were in dire need of OL. We just made a bad choice with who we replaced them with. I'd really like to have seen them rebuild the OL in the draft and I hope they do that this year. And not retain projects like Charles again!

With Curl the one factor I'd also consider is his locker room and on field leadership. All good words said about him by players and coaches and that doesn't count for nothing. Yes its a business, but you can't discount the intangibles when deciding what to pay him. You can't have 53 leaders on the roster, but we should try to keep at least one leader in each position group.[/quote]

Exactly.

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James - 64 solo, 2 ints, 6 PD
fitzpatrick - 56, 6, 11
adams - IR
Smith - 66, 5, 10
Simmons - 42, 6, 7
Curl - 58, 0, 0

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Seems all the top paid safeties are sideline to sideline coverage do all guys, they are hard to find players .. Curl seems like an in the box safety with good cover skills, in box safeties are much easier to find.

Curl is not like the other guys, closest to Jamal Adams

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Oh shit, Carr is a pro bowler now. Let's trade for him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1337341]Oh shit, Carr is a pro bowler now. Let's trade for him.[/quote]

No, absolutely not. I'd take him as an FA, but no trade thank you.

Has to stick in McDaniels craw though :laughing-

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I'm sorry but Kam curl is not as important as Payne

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1337327]i think it means suspect[/QUOTE]


Oh i know its just balmy to say sus

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[quote=punch it in;1337351]Oh i know its just balmy to say sus[/quote]

I just googled Sus because I didn't know what the fuck you whippersnappers were talking about.

I hope to never see it again.

I HATE stupid "words" like that.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1337342]No, absolutely not. I'd take him as an FA, but no trade thank you.

Has to stick in McDaniels craw though :laughing-[/quote]

Yeah, I don't want to trade for him either.

It was just more a tongue-in-cheek reference to a recent comment I made as to not caring about guys being a pro bowler or not.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1337343]I'm sorry but Kam curl is not as important as Payne[/QUOTE]


Not even close.
The problem is we still do not have a good GM. That is my biggest concern. I have more faith in us calling the shots than I do anyone in that organization, and I am not even joking.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337353]I just googled Sus because I didn't know what the fuck you whippersnappers were talking about.

I hope to never see it again.

I HATE stupid "words" like that.[/QUOTE]


It’s awful. Anyway Chico is probably balm shopping right now at his fave store.

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[quote=punch it in;1337356]It’s awful. [B]Anyway Chico is probably balm shopping right now at his fave store[/B].[/quote]

He definitely is.

[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/Z6D5xOxhw4qeQ/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337343]I'm sorry but Kam curl is not as important as Payne[/quote]

He is just as important, when he was out our D was out of sync. Just ask Keim and see what answer you get. Curl did more for the D than you think.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337357]He definitely is.

[IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/Z6D5xOxhw4qeQ/giphy.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]


Oh man totes is the worst!

[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/2zeiWAdjSxcIoFtGBi/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1337359]He is just as important, when he was out our D was out of sync. Just ask Keim and see what answer you get. Curl did more for the D than you think.[/QUOTE]


Oh come on. Nobody is saying Curl isn’t valuable but he isn’t Payne valuable. If you had to choose one you are choosing Payne 8 days a week. I hope we keep them both

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[quote=punch it in;1337360]Oh man totes is the worst!

[IMG]https://media2.giphy.com/media/2zeiWAdjSxcIoFtGBi/giphy.gif[/IMG][/quote]

Nothing is terrible if James Earl Jones says it. But I get your point.

Cray-cray is another terrible one. Cringe!

Note - I hate the word 'cringe' the most out of all the words in the universe. But since we're using shit we hate, this will be the 1st and last time you'll see me use this word here.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337362]Nothing is terrible if James Earl Jones says it. But I get your point.

Cray-cray is another terrible one. Cringe!

Note - I hate the word 'cringe' the most out of all the words in the universe. But since we're using shit we hate, this will be the 1st and last time you'll see me use this word here.[/QUOTE]


All these words are definitely cringe which is the king of all these words. Wow when your team doesn’t make the playoffs and it is January there is really nothing to talk about. Not that this exchange wasn’t adorbs, cus it was…..

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[quote=punch it in;1337361]Oh come on. Nobody is saying Curl isn’t valuable but he isn’t Payne valuable. If you had to choose one you are choosing Payne 8 days a week. I hope we keep them both[/quote]

Pay both of them. They are easily both 2 of our top 10 players.

And it's a possibility if we let Howell cook.

I know we have 1 more year with Curl, so it's a bit staggered, but we can't let Payne and Curl leave.

After Allen they are our next 2 best guys on defense. Can't just draft replacements as a sure fire system.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337364]Pay both of them. They are easily both 2 of our top 10 players.

And it's a possibility if we let Howell cook.

I know we have 1 more year with Curl, so it's a bit staggered, but we can't let Payne and Curl leave.

After Allen they are our next 2 best guys on defense. Can't just draft replacements as a sure fire system.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, but if we dont extend Curl now and he balls out it is gonna cost us more next year to keep him. Hopefully he is more reasonable than his father at the negotiating table.

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[quote=punch it in;1337363]All these words are definitely cringe which is the king of all these words. Wow when your team doesn’t make the playoffs and it is January there is really nothing to talk about. Not that this exchange wasn’t adorbs, cus it was…..[/quote]

Adorbs. Lol and a little, or since we don't spell words out completely in 2023, a lil creeps.

And yeah, you can only do so many mock drafts, so here we are.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337366]Adorbs. Lol and a little, or since we don't spell words out completely in 2023, a lil creeps.

And yeah, you can only do so many mock drafts, so here we are.[/QUOTE]


I do at least ten a day. Complete addict. I usually go heavy oline early with the hopes that Sam is the guy because Richardson is almost always there at 16.

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[quote=punch it in;1337365]Yeah, but if we dont extend Curl now and he balls out it is gonna cost us more next year to keep him. Hopefully he is more reasonable than his father at the negotiating table.[/quote]

I'm all for extending him now. I mentioned 4 years and 65 million earlier. It's not 80 million, but it's a nice check each year.

It takes 2 to tango, so hopefully we offer a really legitimate contact. Then let Curl and his team decide if they're flexible or unreasonable.

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[quote=punch it in;1337367]I do at least ten a day. Complete addict. I usually go heavy oline early with the hopes that Sam is the guy because Richardson is almost always there at 16.[/quote]

That's awesome dedication to mock drafting.

I typically go CB or OL in the 1st. And no matter what, I always draft 3 OL at a minimum. Sometimes 4. It's all pointless doing them before FA, but I enjoy seeing the different names to learn more about.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337368]I'm all for extending him now. I mentioned 4 years and 65 million earlier. It's not 80 million, but it's a nice check each year.

It takes 2 to tango, so hopefully we offer a really legitimate contact. Then let Curl and his team decide if they're flexible or unreasonable.[/QUOTE]


Thats over 16 a year. That is real close to what the top guys are making. Idk. Take your 4 year 45 and be happy. Please. Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1337370]Thats over 16 a year. That is real close to what the top guys are making. Idk. Take your 4 year 45 and be happy. Please. Lol.[/quote]

That would be sweet. Maybe 45 is the new 80.

I know we drafted him and therefore took the risk, but we also got a really good player for practically free my NFL standards. If you think of it like a 9 year contract for 70 million it sounds pretty good lol.

I just don't think we're in a position to let good young players leave. But you can't keep everyone either. If we can keep Payne or Curl I'll be happy. If we lose both in back to back years I'll be a sad panda.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337369]That's awesome dedication to mock drafting.

I typically go CB or OL in the 1st. And no matter what, I always draft 3 OL at a minimum. Sometimes 4. It's all pointless doing them before FA, but I enjoy seeing the different names to learn more about.[/QUOTE]


To me FA is just a cushion for my mocks. Lol. When Im done and im like crap i didn’t really upgrade at LB or DB but FA got that. Yeah i would be ecstatic if we got a T, C, G in the first four rounds. Build that oline like the dline. Trenches is what its all about. Makes all the other pieces better. Allows quarterbacks and wr’s more time, and eases the job of the db’s and inside backers on the other side. To me our oline is priority number one. Along with signing Payne. Keep those trenches solid. Every other player on the field lives off of them on both sides of the ball. Imagine if Chase comes back strong too? We got the weapons in place we need to protect Sam. In FA get that ilb that we lack and just sprinkle depth everywhere.

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[quote=punch it in;1337372]To me FA is just a cushion for my mocks. Lol. When Im done and im like crap i didn’t really upgrade at LB or DB but FA got that. Yeah i would be ecstatic if we got a T, C, G in the first four rounds. Build that oline like the dline. Trenches is what its all about. Makes all the other pieces better. Allows quarterbacks and wr’s more time, and eases the job of the db’s and inside backers on the other side. To me our oline is priority number one. Along with signing Payne. Keep those trenches solid. Every other player on the field lives off of them on both sides of the ball. Imagine if Chase comes back strong too? We got the weapons in place we need to protect Sam. In FA get that ilb that we lack and just sprinkle depth everywhere.[/quote]

As a Howellite, fixing the OL is absolutely priority No. 1. I have zero faith in Rivera to actually do it right. But we need to add at least 4 new OL thru FA and the draft.

And I'm pleading for a tackle to be drafted within the 1st 2 rounds.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1337373]As a Howellite, fixing the OL is absolutely priority No. 1. I have zero faith in Rivera to actually do it right. But we need to add at least 4 new OL thru FA and the draft.

And I'm pleading for a tackle to be drafted within the 1st 2 rounds.[/QUOTE]


I like O'Cyrus Torrence. Id trade back in the first and snatch him up. Dude is a beast. Add a pick and get one of the best, maybe the best G in the draft.

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I don't know. Curl isn't ST, and our DL is probably making our secondary look better than it is. He's good, but break the bank good?

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We can cross TB 12 off the list of possibilities. Thank God he retired. One more year would have actually started to tarnish things.

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[quote=punch it in;1337383]We can cross TB 12 off the list of possibilities. Thank God he retired. One more year would have actually started to tarnish things.[/quote]

I won't believe it until week 1 goes off and he's not in there.

I detect some Favre vibes with this.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1337388]I won't believe it until week 1 goes off and he's not in there.

I detect some Favre vibes with this.[/QUOTE]


Soon as some serious contender loses their quarterback he will start pondering things. Lol.

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Anthony Lynn is the front runner for the OC Position per ESPNs Josina Anderson


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1337425]Anthony Lynn is the front runner for the OC Position per ESPNs Josina Anderson


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That would not be a good hire at all.

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[quote=punch it in;1337383]We can cross TB 12 off the list of possibilities. Thank God he retired. One more year would have actually started to tarnish things.[/quote]

yep, I think he knows it's time. he won't be coming back.

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We need a backup, and love him but it shouldn't be TH. I say get a capable FA vet in there to push SH. Maybe even Garropolo, though I bet we're low on his list. Probably more likely someone like Brissett, and that would be OK. draft a guy in the 3rd or later one we have 2 or 3 good CB/OL/LB picks. If they don't rebuild the OL through FA and the draft, there will be no point going are a top vet QB anyway, would be a waste of money.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1337425]Anthony Lynn is the front runner for the OC Position per ESPNs Josina Anderson


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Im fine with that.