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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1364418]I know I lean lefter than most but I don't see the labeling of Harris as a progressive. The only time in her career she aligned herself with the left was her 2020 campaign. As a DA and Attorney general she said she would advocate for democracy but always ended up with more moderate and mainstream views. Jailing drug users, during the banking crisis supported banking industry and not home owners the list goes on. These were all things widely supported by mainstream politicians and not the left. After her 2020 campaign she aligned herself with Biden's moderate view and neither has really pushed for democracy for the US citizenship.[/quote]

She was ranked as the most liberal/left Senator in the Senate Even more left than Sanders. Yes, she is a progressive and is seen that way by most.

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That is based on cosponsoring bipartisan bills. Is that really the greatest indicator of progressiveness? You are taking a three decade career minimizing it to a 3.5 year segment in which she has espoused progressive views never really did much with them and then gave them up and gone back to being very moderate over the last four years in the administration she is serving.

We have a saying a cat can have kittens in the oven doesn't mean we call them biscuits. She isn't a biscuit.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364414][B]The country has lost it's collective minds. Planning a fund raiser for thugs who attacked our Capitol alone should have finished any candidate in our nation's history. At one time Republicans voted to impeach Richard Nixon who did far less than Donald J. Trump[/B], today there is literally no line he can cross. American polltics disgusts me today. Trump is threatening to jail journalists and poltical oppenents and he is leading the polls. WTF is going on here????? The rest of the world is laughing at us.

If he wins I'll have no choice but to simply tune out poltics. In all honesty my life went virtually unchanged regardless of who was the President.[/quote]

Sadly you're correct, politician have always been a little slimey but some still would do the right thing when it came down to it but not now Republicans politicians are "Deplorable" people and like it that way.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1364422]That is based on cosponsoring bipartisan bills. Is that really the greatest indicator of progressiveness? You are taking a three decade career minimizing it to a 3.5 year segment in which she has espoused progressive views never really did much with them and then gave them up and gone back to being very moderate over the last four years in the administration she is serving.

We have a saying a cat can have kittens in the oven doesn't mean we call them biscuits. She isn't a biscuit.[/quote]

She's a politician, she will blow whatever way benefits her the most. If being progressive is helpful to her, then she's left of Sanders, need to be more moderate to get to be VP, ok, I'm a moderate again. She will do whatever it takes for power. And damn if it isn't working, she's very likely going to be president. Man, what a career (politicians in general). Who the hell knows what she will try to do as president, she waffles more than IHOP. It's like the ole Pelosi saying, you have to open the president to see what's inside the president. So I guess we'll find out in 2025.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1364422]That is based on cosponsoring bipartisan bills. Is that really the greatest indicator of progressiveness? You are taking a three decade career minimizing it to a 3.5 year segment in which she has espoused progressive views never really did much with them and then gave them up and gone back to being very moderate over the last four years in the administration she is serving.

We have a saying a cat can have kittens in the oven doesn't mean we call them biscuits. She isn't a biscuit.[/quote]

I said she is seen that way. We can argue whether she is or not, but pretty sure that there is no real arguing that she doesn't have that perception.

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I see why Trump wanted to face Biden so bad. He is getting fucking slaughtered by Kamala at this debate.


The key parts that Kamala killed on:

1) the rally bit
2) 200 Republicans that support her, including a former GOP VP and some of his former staff
3) The criminal indictments

Lord she played that shit masterfully.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1364444]I see why Trump wanted to face Biden so bad. He is getting fucking slaughtered by Kamala at this debate.

The key parts that Kamala killed on:

1) the rally bit
2) 200 Republicans that support her, including a former GOP VP and some of his former staff
3) The criminal indictments

Lord she played that shit masterfully.[/quote]

Trump definitely looked washed as fuck. Not surprising since he's 78.

She's completely full of shit, but she definitely won the debate.

Note - David Muir might as well be announced as a Kamala employee. This debate was much much worse than the Trump/Biden debate in terms of the moderators.

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Yeah real time fact checking is a bitch

They’re eating the dogs! Fucking moron

Trump got dragged, it’s over

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[quote=NC_Skins;1364444]I see why Trump wanted to face Biden so bad. He is getting fucking slaughtered by Kamala at this debate.


The key parts that Kamala killed on:

1) the rally bit
2) 200 Republicans that support her, including a former GOP VP and some of his former staff
3) The criminal indictments

Lord she played that shit masterfully.[/quote]

She baited him so easily and he bit each time

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s his last debate, he was so overmatched

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[quote=MTK;1364447]Yeah real time fact checking is a bitch

They’re eating the dogs! Fucking moron

[B]Trump got dragged, it’s over[/B][/quote]

I felt like this in 2016, yet somehow that dipshit ended up in the White House. I swear to fucking christ people gotta vote this time.

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Agree, what I want to know where are all the people who were bitching about Biden and being old? Trump is as bad or worse. Harris made him look like shit.
What is sad this might not affect the "Electoral College" meaning trump can lose the popular vote(which he has) and still win.

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[quote=Giantone;1364433]Sadly you're correct, politician have always been a little slimey but some still would do the right thing when it came down to it but not now Republicans politicians are "Deplorable" people and like it that way.[/quote]

I more so blame his supporters for enabling his behavior. There is no line he can cross to them and that is just so dangerous. Politicians are politicians and they will always pander for votes. There is a reason Kevin McCarthy went from saying "I'm done with this guy" on January 7th to being his biggest ass kissers .
Votes from people who have lost the ability to distinguish right from wrong.

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The really frustrating thing with GOP leadership right now is the crazy push for bat shit crazy conspiracy theories. There are real problems with immigration that it would be great to have discussions about and try to resolve real problems: Why are small towns facing the economic burden without help from the federal and state governments, American workers having a economic value and being able to command higher wages but corporations cutting them off for basically free labor they can pay below minimum wage, I could go on and on. Instead we get Haitians eating dogs as the primary issue.

When you take serious issues and make it a farce people have trouble trusting you.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1364473]The really frustrating thing with GOP leadership right now is the crazy push for bat shit crazy conspiracy theories. There are real problems with immigration that it would be great to have discussions about and try to resolve real problems: Why are small towns facing the economic burden without help from the federal and state governments, American workers having a economic value and being able to command higher wages but corporations cutting them off for basically free labor they can pay below minimum wage, I could go on and on. Instead we get Haitians eating dogs as the primary issue.

When you take serious issues and make it a farce people have trouble trusting you.[/quote]

Billboards in AZ, can't make this shit up, GOP just isn't a serious party

[URL="https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/10/haitian-immigrants-eat-less-kittens-billboards/"]Arizona GOP Launches 'Eat Less Kittens' Billboards Referencing Unfounded Conspiracy Theory[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1364474]Billboards in AZ, can't make this shit up, GOP just isn't a serious party

[URL="https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/10/haitian-immigrants-eat-less-kittens-billboards/"]Arizona GOP Launches 'Eat Less Kittens' Billboards Referencing Unfounded Conspiracy Theory[/URL][/quote]

[COLOR="Red"]I just checked the weather in Springfield.
It’s raining cats and dogs there.

Most people are upset but the Haitians are calling it Thanksgiving…[/COLOR]



[B]Too soon?[/B]:D

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[quote=MTK;1364474]Billboards in AZ, can't make this shit up, GOP just isn't a serious party

[URL="https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/09/10/haitian-immigrants-eat-less-kittens-billboards/"]Arizona GOP Launches 'Eat Less Kittens' Billboards Referencing Unfounded Conspiracy Theory[/URL][/quote]

I will say I should be grateful for the immigrants taking the attention away from me performing free gender reconstruction surgery during the school day. At least my neighbor is leaving me alone now.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1364434]She's a politician, she will blow whatever way benefits her the most. If being progressive is helpful to her, then she's left of Sanders, need to be more moderate to get to be VP, ok, I'm a moderate again. She will do whatever it takes for power. And damn if it isn't working, she's very likely going to be president. Man, what a career (politicians in general). Who the hell knows what she will try to do as president, she waffles more than IHOP. It's like the ole Pelosi saying, you have to open the president to see what's inside the president. So I guess we'll find out in 2025.[/quote]

Look at you channeling your inner Bernie Sanders! I have never been more proud of you! There is hope yet!

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This just in: Kamala Harris is the only politician in history to change positions for politcal gain.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364508]This just in: Kamala Harris is the only politician in history to change positions for politcal gain.[/quote]

LOL, I'll alert the media!

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Funny stuff...................

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6l9U3jO0Ic[/url]

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364508]This just in: Kamala Harris is the only politician in history to change positions for politcal gain.[/quote]

[quote=Giantone;1364521]LOL, I'll alert the media![/quote]

These amazing rebuttals are just further proof that there's no reason to discuss politics here (but I'm not smart enough to stay away).

For example) What amazing scientific breakthrough does Kamala know about that makes her now support fracking? She hasn't changed her position. She's either always been against fracking or was never against it. Her actual position hasn't changed, she's just a fucking liar that will say whatever benefits her the most at the time. But she's got the D next to her name, so it doesn't matter to you guys.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1364530]These amazing rebuttals are just further proof that there's no reason to discuss politics here (but I'm not smart enough to stay away).

For example) What amazing scientific breakthrough does Kamala know about that makes her now support fracking? She hasn't changed her position. She's either always been against fracking or was never against it. Her actual position hasn't changed, she's just a fucking liar that will say whatever benefits her the most at the time. But she's got the D next to her name, so it doesn't matter to you guys.[/quote]

Trump literally said in 1999: "I’m very pro-choice.. I just believe in choice." In 2020 Vance was talking up clean energy at a speech at Ohio State. Republicans were heard being critical of Trump on 1/6, many never believed the election was stolen yet they went with the narrative and openly supported Trump because their voters felt this way. The brave one who did not got voted out of office after winning landslide elections throughout her career.

McCarthy was recorded saying "I'm done with this guy" before doing a complete 180 and being one of his biggest ass kissers. As did JD Vance and RFK Jr. [B]They all change positions and/or lie about their true feelings for political gain[/B]


Why are you so dead set on only criticizing Kamala and her supporters? Why aren't you criticiizing Republicans for the exact same behavior? Perhaps it's because they have an R next to their name?

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JD Vance just said "I don't think many people are going to be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who I think is disconnected from the interests and the problems of most Americans.”

He is unaware that he just described his boss and just motivated more young people to vote against them. He is the gift that keeps on giving. Are more Americans really going to vote for these 2 numb nuts?

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364531]This just in: Kamala Harris is the only politician in history to change positions for political gain.

Trump literally said in 1999: "I’m very pro-choice.. I just believe in choice." In 2020 Vance was talking up clean energy at a speech at Ohio State. Republicans were heard being critical of Trump on 1/6, many never believed the election was stolen yet they went with the narrative and openly supported Trump because their voters felt this way. The brave one who did not got voted out of office.

McCarthy was recorded saying "I'm done with this guy" before doing a complete 180 and being one of his biggest ass kissers. As did JD Vance. [B]They all change positions and/or lie about their true feelings for political gain[/B]

Kamala is not unique, they all do this. Why are you so dead set on criticizing her and her supporters? Why aren't you criticiizing Republicans for the exact same behavior? Perhaps it's because they have an R next to their name?[/quote]

Trump is a flip-flopper too. I'm way more consistent and conservative than he is. I'd tell the same to any republican that gives me any shit for not towing his company line. But we have a 99% shit on Trump ratio here, so I don't need to pile on because of something he said in 1999. Definitely don't want to get into another discussion about abortion either. Kamala gets treated like some sort of saint now, when up to a couple months ago no one took her seriously. Nor should anyone have before or now.

I criticized Trump picking Vance as his VP pick. Feel free to go back and check. He should have picked someone else. I have zero loyalty to Vance. And he does seem weird to me.

Lol at McCarthy. I couldn't care less about anything he says or does. He reminds me of a young turtle (McConnell).

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364532]JD Vance just said "I don't think many people are going to be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who I think is disconnected from the interests and the problems of most Americans.”

He is unaware that he just described his boss and just motivated more young people to vote against them. He is the gift that keeps on giving. [B][B]Are more Americans really going to vote for these 2 numb nuts?[/quote][/B][/B]

I'm hoping not but truth is there are morons out there that will. Vance is an idiot as is trump. Look as he clings to that Cat and Dog shit, hell even republican's are saying he was shit in the debate. I could see a change at V.P for trump but he is too proud to step down like Biden did.
Biden didn't like it but people were not afraid to tell him to step aside and eventually(begrudgingly) he agreed. Anyone think trump would do that, anyone think any of trumps family or friends would tell him he lost it and to drop out , HELL NO! People will bitch about Kamala becuase she is a Dem and becuase she pose's a good threat to trump , maga cult. JMPO but people who won't call out trump just becuase others are doing it or they are afraid is chicken shit, what is righ is right.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1364533]Trump is a flip-flopper too. I'm way more consistent and conservative than he is. I'd tell the same to any republican that gives me any shit for not towing his company line. But we have a 99% shit on Trump ratio here, so I don't need to pile on because of something he said in 1999. Definitely don't want to get into another discussion about abortion either. Kamala gets treated like some sort of saint now, when up to a couple months ago no one took her seriously. Nor should anyone have before or now.

I criticized Trump picking Vance as his VP pick. Feel free to go back and check. He should have picked someone else. I have zero loyalty to Vance. And he does seem weird to me.

Lol at McCarthy. I couldn't care less about anything he says or does. He reminds me of a young turtle (McConnell).[/quote]

If you can't admit that you are being a hypocrite I think that says a lot. I can pull up examples of Repubicans switching positons all morning long, it was hardly only the 3 I had mentioned. Most of the entire Republicans Party has lined up behind Trump when we know damned well that many don't really support him and do not believe the election was stolen as I had pointed out but you ignored. We know they were saying things far different as they huddled in fear on January 6th. We know this, some we have actually heard.

Yet all these Republicans went completely against their beliefs or changed their positions. For political gain. This has been done by both parties throughout history. It's just that simple.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1364533]

1)Trump is a flip-flopper too. I'm way more consistent and conservative than he is.
2) I don't want to get into another discussion about abortion either.

3) Kamala gets treated like some sort of saint now, when up to a couple months ago no one took her seriously [/quote]

1) I know what you have said in the past but this makes it sound like you are a Republican.

2) Yet it is an Issue and one in which trump and his People , followers, Maga cult lie about all the time. example.. [url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/project-2025-adviser-mockingly-asked-234403841.html[/url]

[B]A Project 2025 adviser mockingly asked someone to ‘track down’ victims of abortion bans — 17,000 women responded[/B]

John McEntee, who served as Donald Trump’s director of White House personnel, is one of the founders of The Right Stuff, a right-wing dating site, and has a large following on TikTok.

In a post this week, which has 1.8 million views on TikTok, he says: “Can someone track down the women Kamala Harris says are bleeding out in parking lots because Roe v Wade was overturned?”

“Don’t hold your breath,” he adds, flippantly.

Well, he could have held his breath because the replies came in thick and fast.

The post now has more than 17,000 comments and they are almost all women sharing their stories of being turned away from emergency rooms in agony, bleeding out in parking lots, at home, in public bathrooms, and sometimes for months afterward.

Others talk about miscarriages, ectopic pregnancies, losing their ability to have children, and driving across multiple states to get treatment where it was still legal — [B]often while hemorrhaging. Most of the stories appear to involve wanted or planned pregnancies[/B]'
3) She gets treated as a Candidate should be treated not like a God or Savior or Saint like trump cult does.

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I'm still trying to wrap my arms around the claim that Kamala Harris is an outlier for changing positons when I have witnessed basically the entire Republican Party line up behind Trump when we know damned well many do not believe his lies and do not actually support him.

They have sold their soul and reputation, I'm pretty convinced that history will be very unkind to Trump and his enablers, but yeah let's destroy Kamala Harris for her position on fracking.

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Second attempt in as many months. I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better. C

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1364749]Second attempt in as many months. I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better. C[/quote]

Yup, both were bonified Waco's!

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Unlike the first attempt where the kid seemed to choose Trump as a matter of convenience, this one seems to be targeted based on political beliefs. Dumb fuck.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1364749]Second attempt in as many months. I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better. C[/quote]

With so many people openly hating this man I have alwasy been surprised that it hadn't happened before now.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364823]With so many people openly hating this man I have alwasy been surprised that it hadn't happened before now.[/quote]
The sad part is they are his own supporters.

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[quote=Giantone;1364824]The sad part is they are his own supporters.[/quote]
His own supporters hate him????

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[quote=nonniey;1364831]His own supporters hate him????[/quote]

First guy loved him , this guy voted for him in 2016.

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OK, I was confused, I thought you were attributing it more broadly (responding to this "With so many people openly hating this man... " post)

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Trump has called Nebraska officials in an attempt to get their system changed to winner take all which would obviously add to Trump's totals. If they are successul Kamala may need to win another swing state. If this passes the Dems will take it to court where a Trump packed Supreme Court will rule in his favor and Democracy dies.

There is no line the GOP won't cross to make sure their Dear Leader will regain power. I am so disgusted with that party.

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[quote=Darrell Green Fan;1364856]Trump has called Nebraska officials in an attempt to get their system changed to winner take all which would obviously add to Trump's totals. If they are successul Kamala may need to win another swing state. If this passes the Dems will take it to court where a Trump packed Supreme Court will rule in his favor and Democracy dies.

There is no line the GOP won't cross to make sure their Dear Leader will regain power. I am so disgusted with that party.[/quote]

electoral College will be the downfall of this Country that and trump.

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JMPO but this says a lot!

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/news/rule-law-stake-700-former-145455294.html[/url]
[B]
'Rule of law is at stake': 700+ former national security officials endorse Harris[/B]

Meanwhile, over 700 former national security officials have endorsed Vice President Harris. Former U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen joins Ana Cabrera to react to the growing tensions in the Middle East and why he is backing Harris.

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trump show's his classless ass!

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-mocks-jimmy-carter-170529743.html[/url]

[B][SIZE="5"]
Donald Trump Mocks Jimmy Carter on His Milestone 100th Birthday[/SIZE][/B]

Donald Trump mocked fellow former President Jimmy Carter during a campaign speech on his predecessor's historic 100th birthday.

Trump, 78, brought up the 39th president of the U.S. while speaking at a manufacturing facility in Waunakee, Wis., on Tuesday, Oct. 1, according to PBS.

After calling President Joe Biden the worst president in U.S. history, Trump told the crowd, “Jimmy Carter is the happiest man because Jimmy Carter is considered a brilliant president by comparison,” according to The Daily Beast and USA Today.

Trump's comment about the Carter legacy was made as other Republican leaders put aside partisanship to honor the longest-living president's centennial birthday, which came more than 19 months after he entered hospice care in February 2023.