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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355314]The last two weeks with the same record the Cowboys had the East.[/quote]

Well I won't be watching the Detroit/Dallas game Saturday. While I want Dallas to win, I can't actually watch their game and root for them. Movie night!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1355249]Not a chance in hell I'm drafting Daniels at #3 or #4.[/quote]

Would you take Marvin Harrison, Jr at #3 or #4 and then move back up to the mid first round to nab a promising QB? I would definitely do that.

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[quote=nonniey;1355306]As I pointed out earlier the draft order is very likely to change for the worse for us unless the Cards win one or the Pats win again. We are almost tied in SoS with the Pats and our yearly opponents are more likely to win than theirs are over the next two weeks meaning the Pats will more than likely have a weaker SoS than us in 2 weeks.[/quote]


I don't share your pessimism. Not saying it won't happen but because we played their division we have a lot of common opponents this year.

Non common opponents

NE: New Orleans, Las Vegas, Indy, Chargers, Pittsburgh, KC

Was: AZ, Chicago, Atlanta, Rams, SF, Seattle

Pittsburgh vs Seattle is a game we should be watching with interest next week.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355317]I don't share your pessimism. Not saying it won't happen but because we played their division we have a lot of common opponents this year.

Non common opponents

NE: New Orleans, Las Vegas, Indy, Chargers, Pittsburgh, KC

Was: AZ, Chicago, Atlanta, Rams, SF, Seattle

[B]Pittsburgh vs Seattle is a game we should be watching with interest next week.[/B][/quote]

Who we rooting for? Not a fan of either team. Man, this is going to be a weird-fan weekend.

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If Pitt wins it increases NE SOS and lowers ours.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1355319]If Pitt wins it increases NE SOS and lowers ours.[/quote]

Go Terrible Towels.

I hate how bad we suck. Trying to keep track of all the ways we can finish the worst as possible lol.

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𝗥𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘀 𝗡𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀
@LIVERavenNation
Washington Commanders owner Josh Harris reportedly wants to model his team after the Ravens, per
@AlbertBreer
.

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There's been various articles saying that over recent weeks. It's a good model, keyed on a successful player personnel setup. GM is the critical role to appoint. That has to be the first appointment ASAP after black monday.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355321]𝗥𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗻𝘀 𝗡𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝙇𝙄𝙑𝙀
@LIVERavenNation
Washington Commanders owner Josh Harris reportedly wants to model his team after the Ravens, per
@AlbertBreer
.[/quote]

I suppose it would make sense for Harris to hire someone from Ravens to mold Commanders into Ravens then..

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Is Pennix Jr or Bo Nix even worth considering??

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1355325]Is Pennix Jr or Bo Nix even worth considering??[/QUOTE]


Not at 3

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1355325]Is Pennix Jr or Bo Nix even worth considering??[/QUOTE]


Penix has had multiple injuries including knees. I’d take him in the 3rd or 4th. Same for Bo Nix.

Imo it’s

Caleb Williams
Drake Maye
Jayden Daniels

The rest are not in that tier.

Of course who the hell knows how any of these guys will end up in 5 years


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Depending on where you look, it seems like the gap between Maye and Williams is closing.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355332]Depending on where you look, it seems like the gap between Maye and Williams is closing.[/quote]

Give me Maye, Daniels, Williams, Harrison Jr., Alt, or Fashanu, and I will be happy. Some picks will make me happier than others. But I would have 0 complaints coming out of the draft w/ any of these guys.

Also, if we don't go QB in round 1 and Penix is still available in round 2, I'm taking him.

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Williams has been the sure-fire top pick in this draft for a long time, and there's a very real chance a team tries to leapfrog the Commanders and trade up with the Bears and/or Cardinals in order to possibly select him, but Washington is potentially in prime position to take the cake.
[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-nfl-draft-caleb-williams-usc-trojans[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355333]Give me Maye, Daniels, Williams, Harrison Jr., Alt, or Fashanu, and I will be happy. Some picks will make me happier than others. But I would have 0 complaints coming out of the draft w/ any of these guys.

Also, if we don't go QB in round 1 and Penix is still available in round 2, I'm taking him.[/quote]

I tend to agree with you, although I am not sold on taking Daniels in the top 5. Maye, Williams, Harrison Jr., Fashanu, Alt - probably in that order for me. If we come out of round 1 with one of those cats, I'd be good with that.

Really, it's all going to boil down to what the new regime thinks about Sam.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355335]Williams has been the sure-fire top pick in this draft for a long time, and there's a very real chance a team tries to leapfrog the Commanders and trade up with the Bears and/or Cardinals in order to possibly select him, but Washington is potentially in prime position to take the cake.
[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/commanders/news/washington-commanders-nfl-draft-caleb-williams-usc-trojans[/url][/quote]

Williams ditched Oklahoma. Why you so loyal to this guy?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355336]I tend to agree with you, although I am not sold on taking Daniels in the top 5. Maye, Williams, Harrison Jr., Fashanu, Alt - probably in that order for me. If we come out of round 1 with one of those cats, I'd be good with that.

Really, it's all going to boil down to what the new regime thinks about Sam.[/quote]

Yeah, Daniels is going to be boom or bust. You, me, and everyone else is going to be totally right or wrong, one opinion or the other.

I just don't see how Howell can be the answer for next year. He's been benched 2 weeks in a row, and 2 weeks in a row Brissett has immediately came in and scored. Our OL is absolutely garbage. But Howell is also now absolutely part of the problem as well imo.

I'm taking my swing with Williams, Maye, or Daniels. And really I hope it's Maye or Daniels.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355338]Yeah, Daniels is going to be boom or bust. You, me, and everyone else is going to be totally right or wrong, one opinion or the other.

I just don't see how Howell can be the answer for next year. He's been benched 2 weeks in a row, and 2 weeks in a row Brissett has immediately came in and scored. Our OL is absolutely garbage. But Howell is also now absolutely part of the problem as well imo.

I'm taking my swing with Williams, Maye, or Daniels. And really I hope it's Maye or Daniels.[/quote]
Howell is camp competition for whoever is drafted and also an excellent backup. He certainly won't be the only option for whatever FO/HC duo comes in.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355337][B]Williams ditched Oklahoma[/B]. Why you so loyal to this guy?[/quote]

Who cares? Joe Burrow left Ohio State, he made a decision that he felt was best for him and got a Heisman out of it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355340]Who cares? Joe Burrow left Ohio State, he made a decision that he felt was best for him and got a Heisman out of it.[/quote]Agreed. Not advocating for Williams, however I would not hold it against him with his decision to go to USC. He made a lot more in NIL there then he would have at OU.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355340]Who cares? Joe Burrow left Ohio State, he made a decision that he felt was best for him and got a Heisman out of it.[/quote]

If a QB ditched FSU to play somewhere else, I'd be jaded as fuck to draft that guy. Maybe he's just a better man than me.

Note - Has nothing to do with Williams transferring in general. skinsfaninok is a Sooners fan, so I can't believe how loyal he is to him.

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[quote=punch it in;1355326]Not at 3[/quote]

I'm curious to know why folks out there do not think Penix is worthy of being drafted top 3, 4 or 5 but Caleb is?

For the pro game I feel Penix checks almost every box where Caleb does not.

Bo Nix is a hard pass for 1st round. He is a 4th or 5th round type of guy.n

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It all comes down to a GM who can find the guy; every year the media has two "darlings" that they think are the two best QB prospects; so they have something to write about during the slow season of the NFL (SB to Draft, time frame)

Go through this list and eyeball good QBs on it must are drafted middle to late first round or even later rounds very few of the media darlings hit in the long run

[url]https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb[/url]

On a side note i also thing a lot of the top prospects go to dysfunctional franchises and just die there; imagine if Bryce Young was drafted by SF

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I find it funny that some fans want Caleb Williams as our future QB, he’s built just like Howell, meaning he’s on the shorter side. The media and fans have bitched in the past about players like Haskins and CY who are from the area and it would not be good to play in the area they grew up. I guess this would also apply to Williams or does he get a pass?

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1355377]I find it funny that some fans want Caleb Williams as our future QB, he’s built just like Howell, meaning he’s on the shorter side. The media and fans have bitched in the past about players like Haskins and CY who are from the area and it would not be good to play in the area they grew up. I guess this would also apply to Williams or does he get a pass?[/QUOTE]


Sam Howell is not close to being the passer Caleb is though. Caleb Williams is underrated as a Passer due to his crazy plays he makes but when you see him on film from the pocket he’s very accurate. Kid is special guys, yes he’s weird but who gives a shit


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355392]Sam Howell is not close to being the passer Caleb is though. Caleb Williams is underrated as a Passer due to his crazy plays he makes but when you see him on film from the pocket he’s very accurate. Kid is special guys, yes he’s weird but who gives a shit


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He's immature and a momma's boy, a bad recipe. Haskins part 2

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1355394]He's immature and a momma's boy, a bad recipe. Haskins part 2[/QUOTE]


Talent wise it’s not even close though. But unless we move up to 1 or 2 we ain’t getting Williams anyway


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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1355394]He's immature and a momma's boy, a bad recipe. Haskins part 2[/quote]

A mommy's boy? Lol

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355399]A mommy's boy? Lol[/quote]

I discounted SF’s opinions years ago; reading the pop ADs on here is a better use of your time

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Williams has shown red flags on his maturity ... plenty out there to read .. he seems to be on twitter a lot ..
all I can say is this new GM better get this right !!! And there is more to measure than physical skills alone ..

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1355399]A mommy's boy? Lol[/quote]


Yeah that was a weird thing to say. If he was from the bay area he'd probably love him

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1355377]I find it funny that some fans want Caleb Williams as our future QB, he’s built just like Howell, meaning he’s on the shorter side. The media and fans have bitched in the past about players like Haskins and CY who are from the area and it would not be good to play in the area they grew up. I guess this would also apply to Williams or does he get a pass?[/quote]


Caleb and Sam are no where close to the same player

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[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355409]Caleb and Sam are no where close to the same player[/QUOTE]


Sam was a cool story being a 5th rd guy but he’s not a franchise QB. Caleb Williams can and most likely will be


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355410]Sam was a cool story being a 5th rd guy but he’s not a franchise QB. Caleb Williams can and most likely will be


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"Most likely will be"..You do realize that is a 50/50 shot ..you don't know .. I don't know .. heck the so called experts don't know .. NOBODY Knows .. so at this point .. Nobody knows and guess what Sam could end up a franchise QB .. on another team in a few years ... you and I and nobody knows

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1355413]"Most likely will be"..You do realize that is a 50/50 shot ..you don't know .. I don't know .. heck the so called experts don't know .. NOBODY Knows .. so at this point .. Nobody knows and guess what Sam could end up a franchise QB .. on another team in a few years ... you and I and nobody knows[/QUOTE]


No doubt shit nobody thought RG3 would be a bust. But it’s worth the risk lol


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1355419]No doubt shit nobody thought RG3 would be a bust. But it’s worth the risk lol


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Had he not torn his knee up I am convinced he wouldn't have been.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1355422]Had he not torn his knee up I am convinced he wouldn't have been.[/quote]

Not so much that but how it was handle

He is easily better then Lamar

DS pushed him and it destroyed his knee

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1355315]Well I won't be watching the Detroit/Dallas game Saturday. While I want Dallas to win, I can't actually watch their game and root for them. Movie night![/quote]

Why do you want Dallas to win? If they lose it counts as two losses in our SOS.