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I'm glad as it appears the SKINS have zero interest in this clown.

I could only imagine what this would do to camp (or the circus show that would follow) or JC's last chance to prove himself.

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[quote=Mattyk72;570541]Balls and major stupidity.

At that point he could really kiss his NFL career good-bye.[/quote]

I have a hard time believing Goodell would suspend anyone over speaking the truth. I get that he's tough, but the NFL isn't mid-1930's Deutschland.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;570549]I have a hard time believing Goodell would suspend anyone over speaking the truth. I get that he's tough, but the NFL isn't mid-1930's Deutschland.[/quote]

It would have nothing to do with Goodell suspending him. It would have more to do with teams not wanting to bother with a guy who would make such comments.

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[quote=SmootSmack;570555]It would have nothing to do with Goodell suspending him. It would have more to do with teams not wanting to bother with a guy who would make such comments.[/quote]

If you say so. If a team is considering him in the first place, knowing his history, I can't see such a comment playing a role. But, this is all hypothetical anyway.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;570487]And instead of taking responsibility right off the bat, He claimed he was innocent. He didn't fess up until he had no other option.[/quote]

Well if I was growing pot in my house and the cops came knocking and asked if I was grown pot I sure wouldn't say, "Yea, come on in and check them out".

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;570558]If you say so. If a team is considering him in the first place, knowing his history, I can't see such a comment playing a role. But, this is all hypothetical anyway.[/quote]

You don't think that would play a role, really?

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[quote=SmootSmack;570564]You don't think that would play a role, really?[/quote]

No, not if a GM/Owner is a rational human being I do not. Seriously, if this guy, which by all accounts is a dirtbag of the first order, took accountability (I killed dogs, i'm sorry) but also stated a fact (there are others in the league guilty of , if not worse, crimes of a similar scale) what is there to punish him for? If they're not going to forgive him, that's fine. I could care less. But if you're going to forgive him, then it's over, that's the end of it. To continue going after him for telling the truth is a little disingenuous, especially considering that everyone was initially so upset over the fact that he lied repeatedly about his involvement. Should he only tell the truth in a manner that people want to hear? I don't think that's for anyone else to say. Had he confronted this head on in such a manner initially, i doubt this would have reached the level it did.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;570581]No, not if a GM/Owner is a rational human being I do not. Seriously, if this guy, which by all accounts is a dirtbag of the first order, took accountability (I killed dogs, i'm sorry) but also stated a fact (there are others in the league guilty of , if not worse, crimes of a similar scale) what is there to punish him for? If they're not going to forgive him, that's fine. I could care less. But if you're going to forgive him, then it's over, that's the end of it. To continue going after him for telling the truth is a little disingenuous, especially considering that everyone was initially so upset over the fact that he lied repeatedly about his involvement. Should he only tell the truth in a manner that people want to hear? I don't think that's for anyone else to say. Had he confronted this head on in such a manner initially, i doubt this would have reached the level it did.[/quote]

Vick shouldn't say anything about anyone else but himself. Whatever opinion he has of others' situations he should keep to himself. Especially if no one is asking him. This doesn't compare to him lying about his involvement with the dog fighting.

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[quote=SmootSmack;570585]Vick shouldn't say anything about anyone else but himself. Whatever opinion he has of others' situations he should keep to himself. Especially if no one is asking him. This doesn't compare to him lying about his involvement with the dog fighting.[/quote]

imho, that's an emotional response. If you're looking at it from the PR perspective though, I agree with you. On an intellectual level, I have no issue with him acknowledging his mistakes, and making a straightforward comparison to the misdeeds of others. If he's getting attacked after joining a team, I think he would be within his rights to bring up such a point.

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[quote=SmootSmack;570555]It would have nothing to do with Goodell suspending him. It would have more to do with teams not wanting to bother with a guy who would make such comments.[/quote]

Exactly.

His best approach PR wise now and for a very long time will be to say nothing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;570480]I'd rather we trade for Tarvaris Jackson than sign Vick. I just don't see how he fits on this team. I only sign him if we can trade him (which we probably can't). And PFT comparing his indiscretions to Haynesworth's is ridiculous. People keep confusing the difference between Haynesworth's actions and Leonard Little's (though I agree he should have been banned for a significant amount of time) with Vick's as humans vs. animals. But that's not what it's about, what Vick did was premeditated. He didn't act out of sudden impulse like Haynesworth when he stomped Gurode.[/quote]

Maybe the worst part of any "premeditated" actions Vick did was bank rolling an organized crime ring for a couple of years. I'm not saying that if he actually killed dogs that's less, but it's pretty hard to make excuses for involvement in such a venture for that long a period.

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[quote=SBXVII;570537]Oh man my computer screwed up again. Had this nice long written message and for what ever reason....computer froze. Failed to send. LoL. UUUHHHGGG.

Anyway this was a summary....ExtremeSkins has a blog about someone having seen MV in the Ashburn area.
[URL="http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=292429"]PFT: Skins/Vick AND Tanner Cooley's twitter and FB: Mike Vick was in Ashburn today. - EXTREMESKINS.com[/URL]

My only issue is MV is a native of southern Virginia not northern Virginia. He would have passed a ton of decent eating places in Norfolk (where he grew up) and Richmond, as well as simply eating in Fairfax off of 95. Why would he go out of his way? To simply make other teams think he was visiting the Skins so he can generate some interest? or did he meat with a team official?

Just trying to stir the pot. ;)[/quote]Aren't him and D. Hall buddies? Maybe his agent was in the area, he has the same agent as Campbell.

When Zorn says no Wildcat, Cerrato says "No", and the reliable talking heads, John Clayton etc. have the Skins as "No way". I'm not worried about it. Vick doesn't fit what Zorn's trying to do at all. Quick reads, quick release, accuracy, none of these are qualities Vick has ever had. I'd put any of our back-ups (even Brennan, LOL) in long before Vick.

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If not for the inevitable pr issue that would ensue (at least for a while), Vick would be great in dc. He could return punts & play wr w/a very limited role. Just to get him the ball on a screen pass would command some attention. He could play ARE's gadget plays much better & can throw an incredible bomb.

As a standard qb though, I agree w/those that say he's not needed here. Whoever (Al Davis) signs him will likely look at a variety of ways to get him the ball, direct snap or otherwise.

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Vick needs to go to the Raiders...but he'll probably end up with the Redskins. I hope not, but my wishes aren't of any concern to Snyder.

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Personally, I'd like to see him go to the vikings now that the whole brett favre thing is dead... I think he's a better version of tarvaris jackson