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[quote=Angry;619565]Now rank them according to quality of play and see what you get. Just because a guy is taken in the first round it does not mean that he is worth it.[/quote]
What the list tells me is that you either get a QB in the first round or some how a QB comes out of no where to be good. No way to judje the bottom steels. They just come from thin air.

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O-LINE...not even a question. RBs are a dime a dozen. QB is a crap shoot and until we have a decent line its not going to matter who is taking the snaps.

If JC had a top notch line, with our D we would be a playoff contender and I'm not even a huge fan of JC.

I would LOVE to have the DB from Tennesse...Eric Berry....he reminds me a little of #21

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[quote=Ruhskins;619559]I think my problem with not drafting an o-lineman in the first round is that I don't have faith in the offensive line coaching, nor do I have faith in the decision making folks. I mean we drafted a lineman in the 3rd round last year, and that hasn't worked out well. Furthermore, we just lost our Pro Bowl LT. Unless the offensive line coaching changes or we get some competent people that can do a good job in picking a franchise tackle in the later rounds or we get second first rounder somehow, I'd rather have the team pick a tackle in the first round.[/quote]Joe Bugel is not the problem. Give me any other of the great O-line coaches of the last 40 years (Jim Hanifan and Alex Gibbs come to mind), and they too wouldn't be able to overcome the lack of quality depth on our line.

As for drafting a lineman in the 3rd round (Rinehart), that was a total reach, selecting a Division 1-AA Tackle who had never faced solid competition. Blame Cerrato and his merry band of ass clowns for the fiasco that is our 2008 draft class. The most dire need going into that draft was OL depth, and the best Vinny can deliver in 10 picks is a lone reach from some 1-AA school??? Mike Pollak is a 2 year starter on Indy's OL, and he was still available when we made Malcolm Kelly our third receiver selected in the 2nd round. Freaking amazing.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;619357]Redskins LT 1st round
Eagles LT UDF
Giants LT 5th round
Cowboys LT 2nd round

Bears LT 1st round
Detroit LT 1st round
Packers LT 4th round(rookie)
Vikings LT 1st round

Falcons LT 1st round
Panthers LT 1st round
Saints LT 4th round
Buccuneers LT UDF

Cardinals LT 3rd round
49er's LT 1st round
Seahawks LT 3rd round
Rams LT 1st round



NFC Eight 1st rounders, one second rounder, two third rounders, two fourth ronders, one fith rounder, and two undrafted free agents. My god thats 50/50, kind of suprised me.[/quote]

Very intersting, this still shows me that we better take a LT in the first round, because we don't have the football smarts to get a decent LT in say the 4th round or something, we would waste that pick on a player such as Cody Glenn, or Justin Tryon

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[quote=maroonandblack30;619578]O-LINE...not even a question. RBs are a dime a dozen. QB is a crap shoot and until we have a decent line its not going to matter who is taking the snaps.

If JC had a top notch line, with our D we would be a playoff contender and I'm not even a huge fan of JC.

I would LOVE to have the DB from Tennesse...Eric Berry....he reminds me a little of #21[/quote]

I agree. W/out a line the offense can't do anything. Linemen w/ the first two picks. Berry or Taylor Mays would be nice though...

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[quote=T.O.Killa;619576]What the list tells me is that you either get a QB in the first round or some how a QB comes out of no where to be good. No way to judje the bottom steels. They just come from thin air.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]No, it tells you that way too often QB's are over drafted. People fall in love with them and draft them too early. Guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Brian Brohm, get over drafted, meanwhile a guy like Chad Henne who is not much less talented and gets selected in the second. Everybody thinks that they are going to end up with the next Peyton Manning in the first round, when the reality is that they are more than likely going to end up with the next Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, [B]Jay Cutler[/B], Alex Smith, [B]Aaron Rogers[/B], or Jason Campbell. I think that it is safe to say that only one of those names (maybe 2) were actually worth a first round selection. Neither was the first QB taken in the draft either. Joe Gibbs once said that if you can protect the QB, then there are about 26 guys who can play in this league, if you cannot protect them there are only about 5. I paraphrased because I didn’t want to screw his words up. Needless to say if you look at previous draft history you can find some 2nd-6th rounders that you can develop into solid starters that might be as effective as or better than 1st round draft picks at the QB position.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position"]National Football League: NFL Draft History Full Draft - by Position[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

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Given Snyderato's (in)ability to judge talent, I think LT should be the choice instead of QB. At least, a LT can usually play somewhere on the line if he doesn't work out at LT -- a QB bust is more often a dead loss. I'd go OL in the 2nd round too, unless a stud QB or RB falls that low.

Until we get a competent GM, our drafts will be like barroom drunks throwing darts.

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I think that a team pretty much needs to get its QB and its LT in the first round of the draft. We'll need both at the end of this season. It remains to be seen if we'll suck enough to get our choice of which one we pick.

It may come down to how highly rated are the LT's and QB's on the board when we pick. But I do think we'll go with one of those two positions unless something dramatic happens prior to the draft.

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[quote=Pyrotech;619622]Given Snyderato's (in)ability to judge talent, I think LT should be the choice instead of QB. At least, a LT can usually play somewhere on the line if he doesn't work out at LT -- a QB bust is more often a dead loss. I'd go OL in the 2nd round too, unless a stud QB or RB falls that low.

[B]Until we get a competent GM, our drafts will be like barroom drunks throwing darts[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

"Damn, Vinny, you hit the Miller Lite sign! What the Hell does that mean?"

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;619625]"Damn, Vinny, you hit the Miller Lite sign! What the Hell does that mean?"[/quote]

Miller, yeah, that's the ticket! "With their first round selection, the Washington Redskins draft Long Snapper Moses Miller, from Fukawi State".

That should shut up the fans who are screaming for OL help.

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[quote=Daseal;619123]Best. Player. Available.[/quote]

Not necessarily. I mean as I've said before, I don't believe Vinny is nearly as much of a BPA as he says he is. A lot of his first round picks I believe really have been BPA but after that I think he just picks whatever he wants and in many cases the one position he seems to avoid drafting at all cost is offensive lineman.

I personally like to look at is his quote about selecting a player at 13. I definately understand the sentiment towards drafting Orakpo but saying that no lineman was worthy of the 13th pick at that spot is just asinine especially seeing the way Michael Oher has played this year.

Like many fans I'm done with his ways. I don't trust him to do whats right. In fact I'd be willing to bet that if he's in charge of the draft next year none of our first two picks will be along the O-Line. Then we'll hear the same crap about his holy draft board and how no one there was worthy of our picks.

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I don't care about Vinny. We have a roster where we need the best player available, regardless of position.

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The o-line problems is the main problem I see and that is why I voted O-line. Guys like Alex Smith, David Carr etc... who were drafted as franchise QBs but were sacked to death because of non-existent o-lines, as another factor. (I know there is Matt Ryan & Joe Flacco but Ravens drafted some good o-linemen like Jared Gaither & 2 others the year before).

Obviously trading down for extra high picks is ideal but rarely do teams trade up for the top 5 picks.

Also, if there is a Javon Ringer type RB in the 2010 draft class we could pick up in the 4th rd, that would be super.

How many o-linemen do we need to draft???

1. LT
2. Starting RT???
3. Guard or Center - How about Edwin Williams???

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[quote=Angry;619608][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]No, it tells you that way too often QB's are over drafted. People fall in love with them and draft them too early. Guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Brian Brohm, get over drafted, meanwhile a guy like Chad Henne who is not much less talented and gets selected in the second. Everybody thinks that they are going to end up with the next Peyton Manning in the first round, when the reality is that they are more than likely going to end up with the next Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, [B]Jay Cutler[/B], Alex Smith, [B]Aaron Rogers[/B], or Jason Campbell. I think that it is safe to say that only one of those names (maybe 2) were actually worth a first round selection. Neither was the first QB taken in the draft either. Joe Gibbs once said that if you can protect the QB, then there are about 26 guys who can play in this league, if you cannot protect them there are only about 5. I paraphrased because I didn’t want to screw his words up. Needless to say if you look at previous draft history you can find some 2nd-6th rounders that you can develop into solid starters that might be as effective as or better than 1st round draft picks at the QB position.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position"]National Football League: NFL Draft History Full Draft - by Position[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]
I cant believe you put Cutler and Rogers in that list. They are worlds ahead of them. Yes you are right thats why you have to keep taking chances till you get one.

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jake locker is also a QB to get some looks 6'3 and 225...just saying...he's like Tebow..except he can throw.