Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=Shadowbyte;1066072]Redskins can't get stacked. The moment we sign a name everyone screams 2000. Vinny Cerratto, and the entire nine. How many troubled players have the Patriots signed. Hasn't slowed them down one bit. You need talent to win in the NFL not character, Jimmy Johnson's Dallas Cowboys proved that.[/quote]

I didn't even mention character. I simply said I don't like the move at this exact time, not that I don't like Jackson or his abilities. It's the same thing I said with the RGIII trade, I questioned the move at a time we desperately needed talent on the team. We still need a lot of talent. This is a 3-13 team.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1066108]I didn't even mention character. I simply said I don't like the move at this exact time, not that I don't like Jackson or his abilities. It's the same thing I said with the RGIII trade, I questioned the move at a time we desperately needed talent on the team. We still need a lot of talent. This is a 3-13 team.[/quote]

You know how this division is 3-13 could easily be 10-6 next season.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1066108]I didn't even mention character. I simply said I don't like the move at this exact time, not that I don't like Jackson or his abilities. It's the same thing I said with the RGIII trade, I questioned the move at a time we desperately needed talent on the team. We still need a lot of talent. This is a 3-13 team.[/quote]

This is somewhere between a 3-13 team and a 10-6 team 2 years ago. you can say they overachieved in 2012, but they clearly underachieved in 2013. The biggest thing to me, and we may never know this, is I want this to be a decision made with "football sound principles" whatever the heck they are.

I don't want an egotistical coach, or pure penny pinching GM, or a starstruck owner making this call. I would like the FO to look at it, rate the strengths he brings, compared to the weaknesses we have. Then look at the cap planning for the next 3 years, and the flexibility to make a solid move if it's there. Then see if the coach feels this player fits in the locker room environment, does he want him.

And if all that is done and we sign him awesome. If any of those throw up a red flag, and we don't, then I hope he goes out of division! :)

Of course, even if it all is done appropriately, someone will blame Snyder's interference for the signing, or BA's penny pinching for the lack of signing, cuz that's how we roll!

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

I don't like how DJ is being labeled a cancer. I mean the guy is good and he knows it. His arrogant attitude has been earned. We're not talking about Fat Al. He's not dividing locker rooms or punching out his teammates. Whoever ends up with DJ and his salary, it's not like the guy hasn't earned it. As long as the guy doesn't shoot anyone or do illegal drugs, I'm cool with him.

Not everyone on the team is going to keep their nose clean. You know by today's standards people would characterize Riggo has having "character issues".

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;1066112]I don't like how DJ is being labeled a cancer. I mean the guy is good and he knows it. His arrogant attitude has been earned. We're not talking about Fat Al. He's not dividing locker rooms or punching out his teammates. Whoever ends up with DJ and his salary, it's not like the guy hasn't earned it. As long as the guy doesn't shoot anyone or do illegal drugs, I'm cool with him.

Not everyone on the team is going to keep their nose clean. [B]You know by today's standards people would characterize Riggo has having "character issues"[/B].[/quote]

Whoa, take it easy Rave Baby

:silly:

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=44Deezel;1066089]I'd just like us to be a team that has a lot of players who outplay their contracts. Alfmo is a perfect example. 1st round production for 6th round pay. We need more of that.[/quote]

Nobody is that good at drafting. They just get lucky sometimes.

D-Jax is a proven game-breaker and he's only 27 years old. That's why teams pay for FA's like him rather than shoot craps in the draft.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1066097]Ian Rapoport ✔ @RapSheet

#Chiefs & Andy Reid were intrigued by DeSean Jackson, but with limited cap space, can’t match the budding open market. Would’ve loved DeSean


Retweeted by John Keim

Just wanted to put this out there.[/quote]

Fair enough. Good to know.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;1066112]I don't like how DJ is being labeled a cancer. I mean the guy is good and he knows it. His arrogant attitude has been earned. We're not talking about Fat Al. He's not dividing locker rooms or punching out his teammates. Whoever ends up with DJ and his salary, it's not like the guy hasn't earned it. As long as the guy doesn't shoot anyone or do illegal drugs, I'm cool with him.

Not everyone on the team is going to keep their nose clean. You know by today's standards people would characterize Riggo has having "character issues".[/quote]

I don't buy the "gang ties" stuff, so I am not knocking DJax for that or for anything criminal.

But I would not describe Riggo like DJax because Riggo, by many accounts, was a great teammate. DJax, going back years, appears to have little concept of the idea of a team. Reversing the usual, his motto appears to be, "There is no "team" in "I." Heck, at Cal he didn't even know his teammates' names.

Obviously most folks here differ. His talent and numbers are quite attractive. But he's not the kind of guy who I would want in my locker room.

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[QUOTE][url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-jackson-appear-ready-do-business]Redskins, Jackson appear ready to do business | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url][/QUOTE]

I'm increasingly joining the bandwagon on this. These moves are always about the "IF"s. IF he doesn't get into trouble, IF he gets along with coach, IF he is motivated -- he'd be awesome for us. These high profile moves - if they work, they can make your franchise. If they fail, it takes 3-5 years to rebuild, salvage the salary cap, and get a new coach.

With DJax, we solve a major issue. I think you're more likely to get a very good safety, RT, MLB in the second round than a WR.

Also in a strange way -- if our offense finally starts scoring again, it can make opposing offenses one dimensional / pass-first. That could help our defense, & allow our D-line just rush the QB. Not sure how our secondary would respond. So ironically, by helping our offense -- there's a chance DJax could indirectly make our defense more effective.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=Lotus;1066117]I don't buy the "gang ties" stuff, so I am not knocking DJax for that or for anything criminal.

But I would not describe Riggo like DJax because Riggo, by many accounts, was a great teammate. DJax, going back years, appears to have little concept of the idea of a team. Reversing the usual, his motto appears to be, "There is no "team" in "I." Heck, at Cal he didn't even know his teammates' names.

Obviously most folks here differ. His talent and numbers are quite attractive. But he's not the kind of guy who I would want in my locker room.[/quote]

I can respect that. But who knows. I can't speak for his college days, but I doubt there were many high quality personalities in Philly. It is Philly after all. He's still young, maybe he can make a change for the better in DC.

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[quote=over the mountain;1066107]I would pass on desean, unless the money was skins friendly (which I doubt)

his addition would be a luxury, not a need.

im not so much worried about the off field stuff as i am with allocating too much money on receiver. even if his cap hit was 5-6 this year, id guess his average salary would be end up near 10 mil per. we have rg3, trent, rak, kerrigan to re-sign in the next few years.[/quote]

Luxury? Who's this elite deep threat that you speak of that's currently on the Redskins roster? Desean is an Elite deep threat WR.... a game changing type of "play-maker" that we haven't had since Moss was in his prime. The Superbowl as you know goes through Seattle or either San Francisco, and we need every weapon we can get in order to become a Superbowl contender.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=ethat001;1066118]I'm increasingly joining the bandwagon on this. These moves are always about the "IF"s. IF he doesn't get into trouble, IF he gets along with coach, IF he is motivated -- he'd be awesome for us. These high profile moves - if they work, they can make your franchise. If they fail, it takes 3-5 years to rebuild, salvage the salary cap, and get a new coach.

With DJax, we solve a major issue. I think you're more likely to get a very good safety, RT, MLB in the second round than a WR.

[B]Also in a strange way -- if our offense finally starts scoring again, it can make opposing offenses one dimensional / pass-first.[/B] That could help our defense, & allow our D-line just rush the QB. Not sure how our secondary would respond. So ironically, by helping our offense -- there's a chance DJax could indirectly make our defense more effective.[/quote]

That rarely ever works. Indy/NE/Denver tried it and they were bounced out the first round after finishing the season with the best regular season record.
I understand what you are saying but that is the recipe for winning regular season games, not championships.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=Shadowbyte;1066120]Luxury? Who's this elite deep threat that you speak of that's currently on the Redskins roster? Desean is an Elite deep threat WR.... a game changing type of "play-maker" that we haven't had since Moss was in his prime. The Superbowl as you know goes through Seattle or either San Francisco, and we need every weapon we can get in order to become a Superbowl contender.[/quote]

Also need a defense like Seattle or San Fran.

Denver had plenty of weapons and one of the best QB's to ever play going against Seattle...

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

[quote=ethat001;1066118]I'm increasingly joining the bandwagon on this. These moves are always about the "IF"s. IF he doesn't get into trouble, IF he gets along with coach, IF he is motivated -- he'd be awesome for us. These high profile moves - if they work, they can make your franchise. If they fail, it takes 3-5 years to rebuild, salvage the salary cap, and get a new coach.

With DJax, we solve a major issue. I think you're more likely to get a very good safety, RT, MLB in the second round than a WR.

Also in a strange way -- if our offense finally starts scoring again, it can make opposing offenses one dimensional / pass-first. That could help our defense, & allow our D-line just rush the QB. Not sure how our secondary would respond. So ironically, by helping our offense -- there's a chance DJax could indirectly make our defense more effective.[/quote]


I agree...

I also think this frees up the draft to focus on Defense, Oline, and a speedy back.

Re: DeSean Jackson meeting with the Redskins on Monday
 

One of the best Redskin free agent picks ever was Gary Clark. USFL cast off from JMU. Petulant, abrasive, selfish, hard to deal with. That's why coaches are paid the big dollars. They need to know how to manage people. Gibbs was the master at it. If we sign Jackson hopefully Gruden can follow in those footsteps and bring the best out in Jackson.