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[quote=Mattyk;1098618]Funny how we didn't hear Gruden rip McCoy a new one after that shit show yesterday.[/quote]



To me, it's pretty clear why he ripped RGIII's ass up in public.

1) Ego

[quote]"We just can't let them get to us," Gruden said. "We have a young team, [B]we have some fragile egos here[/B]. These guys are young guys trying their best, and they read that nobody likes them and they're 'alienated.' "

"I said all along that a quarterback's No. 1 trait that he has to have, you've got to be thick-skinned," Gruden said. "You have to be tough-minded, tough-willed and accept the good and the bad equally. We just can't let that get to us. We've got to stick together and our guys have done that so far."
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2) McCoy/Cousins isn't uncoachable, which apparently Robert currently is due to his massive ego. Didn't want to listen to Kyle, LeFleur, Gruden or McVay.

3) Robert threw his teammates under the bus when he had an incredibly bad game.


I agree somewhat with Jsteelze in the fact the organization played a huge part in Robert's massive ego. They pumped him up as the savior and tried to squeeze every little penny they could via his image. They knew he was a project and should have been low key with this guy and allowed him to develop into his own and THEN prop him up as the star QB.

I think the only way that Gruden could get through to Robert(and Dan) is via the media, and part of that was a power play on Gruden's part as well. He knows good and damn well that Robert isn't ready to be a starting QB in a pro-style offense. Kyle knew it and so did Mike.

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Yeah nothing fixes an ego more than tearing him down in public. Still think it was a dumb move by Gruden.

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[quote=skinsguy;1098734]Out of the three duo-threat quarterbacks that have had success in the past three years (RGIII, Kaepernick, and Wilson), only Wilson has had the most success and continues to play pretty well. I wonder how much of that has to do with the OL?[/quote]

Wilson played in a pro style offense the other 2 didn't. They played the gimmicky offense.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098747]Yeah nothing fixes an ego more than tearing him down in public. Still think it was a dumb move by Gruden.[/quote]

I think he was more pissed off on Robert's post game comments than anything.

He blasted Andy Dalton as well, so I'm not shocked by his public comments.

[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/20/the-time-jay-gruden-called-out-andy-dalton-just-like-robert-griffin-iii/]The Time Jay Gruden Called Out Andy Dalton, Just Like Robert Griffin III « CBS DC[/url]


I mostly agree with you on that though. I think Jay needs to hold back at times.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1098749]Wilson played in a pro style offense the other 2 didn't. They played the gimmicky offense.[/quote]

yup, Wilson is a pocket passer, Bevell has just developed the offense which included alot of designed runs. And im talking bootlegs over R/O looks. Bevell would/should been the choice to develop RG3 over Gruden, oh well.

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To all the "fire Gruden after 1 year" people: who are you going to replace him with? No one qualified wants to get involved with this mess. Even less so after another 1 and done head coach. You really want to be looking for the 9th HC in 15 years?

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[quote=irish;1098720][B]I dont think RG's parent's jobs have anything to do with whether or not he's a hard worker.[/B]

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First off, you're missing my point. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker. I'm saying he pours the hard work in the wrong ways. He works hard in the weight room and on the physical, but he hasn't worked hard as a student of the game. Steve Young's comments on that matter should not be dismissed, the guy knows Mike Shanahan quite closely.

And secondly, his parents' jobs are an indicator of who they are and what they value. Which in turn shapes the way you're brought up. Have you not read story after story about how RG3 and his father would be out pulling tires up hills, or doing wind sprints during family gatherings?

You know what stories you don't read about? RG3 holding endless chalkboard sessions with his coaches, or picking the brains of accomplished QBs.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1098610]People say Snyder is not a football person, but he has been an owner of the Redskins since 1999. I'm sure he has learned how to look at film and understand what he looking at. 15 years is a career in other businesses.[/quote]

On the business side of football, yeah he's probably got things locked down pretty good. On the actual talent evaluation side, nope. Otherwise he never would have approved the Griffin trade.

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[quote=Hijinx;1098760]To all the "fire Gruden after 1 year" people: who are you going to replace him with? No one qualified wants to get involved with this mess. Even less so after another 1 and done head coach. You really want to be looking for the 9th HC in 15 years?[/quote]

How did Cleveland land Pettine? How did Lions land Caldwell? The list goes on and on. Franchises in disarray hire the right coach who puts it on the right track.

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[quote=Hijinx;1098760]To all the "fire Gruden after 1 year" people: who are you going to replace him with? No one qualified wants to get involved with this mess. Even less so after another 1 and done head coach. You really want to be looking for the 9th HC in 15 years?[/quote]

More pertinently, would you pay him $20M to go pound sand? I wouldn't if I were Dan.

We're stuck with him because of finances. But he sucks. I don't see much hope he'll get better because of the lack of discipline and wavering leadership.

As Redskins fans we all approach this thing with the thought that next offseason we'll fix this mess. I don't think we will. It sucks, but we're financially stuck with Gruden, and Snyder won't want to give up on RG3. Not sure I would either.

If I'm Dan I tell Gruden that he either keeps RG3 or he resigns without pay. And that's about the best you can make of this very bad situation.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098761]First off, you're missing my point. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker. I'm saying he pours the hard work in the wrong ways. He works hard in the weight room and on the physical, but he hasn't worked hard as a student of the game. Steve Young's comments on that matter should not be dismissed, the guy knows Mike Shanahan quite closely.

And secondly, his parents' jobs are an indicator of who they are and what they value. Which in turn shapes the way you're brought up. Have you not read story after story about how RG3 and his father would be out pulling tires up hills, or doing wind sprints during family gatherings?

You know what stories you don't read about? RG3 holding endless chalkboard sessions with his coaches, or picking the brains of accomplished QBs.[/quote]

I'm picking up what you're dropping. But remember what someone said about RG really looking up to Rex for guidance, so I don't think it's that RG thinks he's above coaching/mentoring. Maybe he doesn't click well with everyone, not a crime or even a character flaw.

It still goes back to the HC knowing what/who he's got. Gruden missed on several things, finding a way to connect/mentor RG is a big one and what we all thought he was brought in to do.

Gruden's case would be a lot stronger if he had any success with another QB on the roster, or fielded an offense prepared to play.

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[quote=Schneed10;1098764]More pertinently, would you pay him $20M to go pound sand? I wouldn't if I were Dan.

We're stuck with him because of finances. But he sucks. I don't see much hope he'll get better because of the lack of discipline and wavering leadership.

As Redskins fans we all approach this thing with the thought that next offseason we'll fix this mess. I don't think we will. It sucks, but we're financially stuck with Gruden, and Snyder won't want to give up on RG3. Not sure I would either.

[B]If I'm Dan I tell Gruden that he either keeps RG3 or he resigns without pay. And that's about the best you can make of this very bad situation[/B].[/quote]

That's pretty brilliant in my book.

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i agree with a lot of Schneed's points .... but im pretty sure the DS telling a coach what to do will not end well for anyone, anywhere at any point.

since it is such a bad idea = what we will probably do

cant wait for this self-inflicted drama to end.

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In fact, I think a strong leader would call both Gruden and Griffin into his office and put the cards on the table. Say listen Jay I'm into you for $20M so you're my coach. And Robert I still believe that you can become the QB we thought, and I don't want to give up on the massive investment we have in you.

But Jay, your success as a head coach in this league depends on whether you can get performance from Robert and the rest of the team. Robert, your ability to secure a second contract in this league depends on your ability to take coaching and improve, because you've been terrible.

Your wagons are hitched together. And my wagon is hitched to both of yours. Now go back to the sandbox and learn how to get along, get this thing turned in the right direction, or you'll both be moving on from these contracts. If you want other teams to look at you as worthy of a future big contract, you'll need to do this together.

You need each other or the world will view you both separately as failures.

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And then I tell Jay to fire Haslett and I hire a football man as GM. Then I go party with Jerry Jones and strippers.