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One thing seems certain to me. Whoever reported that the artery was completely severed is wrong. He would have been pronounced dead twelve hours ago. As many have pointed out he would have quickly bled to death before any paramedics even got to him let alone flew him to the hospital. The fact that the doctors operated on him certainly means that he was still alive. If the artery was completely severed and it took thirty or fourty minutes or something to get him to the operating table he would be dead and it wouldn't be some big secret.

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[url=http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_news/story/321300.html]Taylor's ex-teammate: `He has a great heart' - 11/26/2007 - MiamiHerald.com[/url]

Nice Article about Sean in the Miami Herald, writer interviewed former teammate and friend Buck Ortega

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;383562]Good question. I think if he was brain dead, they'd just out right say it. Or maybe they wouldn't. Unresponsive to me, the first thing I would think of is a coma. Until I hear that he's brain dead, I'm at least praying for a recovery. Any type of recovery, so long as he's alive.[/QUOTE]

Yup. If I was told, you can leave things up to chance, or he can live but never play another down, I'd take the latter.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;383565]One thing seems certain to me. Whoever reported that the artery was completely severed is wrong. He would have been pronounced dead twelve hours ago. As many have pointed out he would have quickly bled to death before any paramedics even got to him let alone flew him to the hospital. The fact that the doctors operated on him certainly means that he was still alive. If the artery was completely severed and it took thirty or fourty minutes or something to get him to the operating table he would be dead and it wouldn't be some big secret.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for giving me hope.

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I hope he lives through this and gets out of Miami! it took me 21 years put I finally dit it and i don't regret it! it does not matter where in Miami you stay it will reach you! I will pray for ST. This hits close to home.

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Wow. I couldn't believe this when I heard about it. What a horrible turn of events for ST. All positive thoughts being sent his way...

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[quote=squrrelco3;383557]I don't know ST from Adam, I'm not going to act like I do, I'm also white as a snowflake and I cannot even begin to act as though I am "down with the struggle" like Wilbon seems to think he is. All I can do is go by what I've seen in the papers, and ST doesn't strike me as a "Pacman Jones" type of person or some type of black crusader born and raised in the hood. He seems like if anything he was a little naive and immature to start out, and made a few bad choices...[B]the justice system has taken it's course, ST has paid his penalties and stayed clean since...IMO Wilbon needs to come down off his sanctimonious high horse and STFU..[/B].[/quote]

EXACTLY. From what I understand, Wilbon grew up pretty well off in suburban Chicago, played high school tennis, and went to ritzy, private Northwestern University. But he's so quick to play the race card, and as you say, act like he's "down with the struggle." He's also a member at luxurious Columbia Country Club in Chevy Chase, MD. But he's down, right? Sanctimonious high horse is exactly right.

Sean was raised by a police chief, never got in any trouble at the U. He made a few bad choices right after coming into the league, and hasn't had a single off-field transgression since. But he "embraced" thug life, right Wilbon? What an asshole.

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Does anyone have a link to the Wilbon article/comments you guys are referring to?

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/11/20/DI2007112000547.html]Redskins Post-Game - washingtonpost.com[/url]

Cindy, who helps out JLC, fielded questions on the WP's website around 2:30 today. Cindy seems to suggest that the coma was medically induced. If true, that's very good news.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;383560]According to Washington Post Live, Taylor has been "unresponsive" since the shooting. I do not know whether that is because he is in a coma induced by the blood loss, a coma induced by the doctors, or because he has lost all brain function.[/QUOTE]

I heard the same thing on fox raido report that things are not looking good. He is in real trouble!

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;383576][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/11/20/DI2007112000547.html]Redskins Post-Game - washingtonpost.com[/url]

Cindy, who helps out JLC, fielded questions on the WP's website around 2:30 today. Cindy seems to suggest that the coma was medically induced. If true, that's very good news.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the link. Why are people on that site asking questions about Sundays game? WHO CARES? I don't give a shit about the rest of the season right now, I just want to here that ST is going to be ok.

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[QUOTE=wilsowilso;383565]One thing seems certain to me. Whoever reported that the artery was completely severed is wrong. He would have been pronounced dead twelve hours ago. As many have pointed out he would have quickly bled to death before any paramedics even got to him let alone flew him to the hospital. The fact that the doctors operated on him certainly means that he was still alive. If the artery was completely severed and it took thirty or fourty minutes or something to get him to the operating table he would be dead and it wouldn't be some big secret.[/QUOTE]


While his body is still alive, the fear is that he is brain-dead or brain-damaged. If it's the former, eventually they will take him off life support. If it's the latter, he's got a lot of rehab ahead of him and he may never be the same. Regardless, I think you are right. If it were a complete rupture, he would have bled out completely within a few minutes and we wouldn't even be having this discussion. I certainly hope he pulls through.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;383574]Does anyone have a link to the Wilbon article/comments you guys are referring to?[/quote]

FRPLG posted this earlier as a quote from Wilbon, but there was no link:

"People's opinions are shaped by the way they've grown up, the way they see the world, what they know about the world the person in question grew up in, etc. Sean Taylor isn't the only guy I know who fits his general profile. I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white...I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising." -Michael Wilbon

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[QUOTE=GMScud;383581]FRPLG posted this earlier as a quote from Wilbon, but there was no link:

"People's opinions are shaped by the way they've grown up, the way they see the world, what they know about the world the person in question grew up in, etc. Sean Taylor isn't the only guy I know who fits his general profile. I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white...I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising." -Michael Wilbon[/QUOTE]


Thanks, scud. I see what has everyone up in arms. Seems like a really inappropriate comment to make when a man is fighting for his life. Not the time for, "I told you so..." Really lowers my opinion of Wilbon.

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Prayers go out to Sean and his family. I am coming down to watch the game against the Bears and was trying to think of what jersey I wanted to buy and I think after this (if he plays again or not) I will be picking up a 21 Taylor jersey as Sean is a true Redskin.... I hope he makes it through this and lives a great and happy life. The dream would be to see him on the field again one day, but just to be able to live and be with his wife, kid, family and friends is more then enough.

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[quote]McLean, Va.: Will your opinion of Taylor change if this does not turn out to be a random incident (e.g. home invasion)?

Michael Wilbon: No...People's opinions are shaped by the way they've grown up, the way they see the world, what they know about the world the person in question grew up in, etc. Sean Taylor isn't the only guy I know who fits his general profile. I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white...I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising.[/quote]

[quote]Columbia, Md.: What makes you think that Taylor was still embracing his old ways? Every thing we have heard from the Redskins and Portis is that this is a new Sean. Apparently the birth of his child really helped to straighten him out. Is this contrary to what you know?

Michael Wilbon: Sorry, but I'n not in the habit of having comapanies with their own public relations agenda tell me about black men and what they feel or don't feel. Pardon me if I'm not that easy.[/quote]

There's more.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/11/20/DI2007112000544.html]The Chat House - washingtonpost.com[/url].

What he's done in my opinion is tell everyone White, Black, Hispanic (whatever) who has tried to make a change in their life and better themselves that they shouldn't bother. You are what you always were.

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I USED to be a Wilbon fan. That idiot is dead to me.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;383585]There's more.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/11/20/DI2007112000544.html]The Chat House - washingtonpost.com[/url].

What he's done in my opinion is tell everyone White, Black, Hispanic (whatever) who has tried to make a change in their life and better themselves that they shouldn't bother. You are what you always were.[/QUOTE]

At what point does common sense override your enormous ego, Wilbon? Just shut up. Now is not the time.

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Now he's reported as unconscious and non-responsive.


Come on Sean, you can recover.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;383581]FRPLG posted this earlier as a quote from Wilbon, but there was no link:

"People's opinions are shaped by the way they've grown up, the way they see the world, what they know about the world the person in question grew up in, etc. Sean Taylor isn't the only guy I know who fits his general profile. I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white...I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising." -Michael Wilbon[/QUOTE]

I have to say what Wilborn said is bad timing at best but what he said is not that far off. When we looked at who to pick that year Taylor was not my first thought because of his past. I really hope he is going to come out of this and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and knew nothing of this! My prays are with him! Pete

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that's a pretty shitty thing to say about somebody fighting for his life now.wilbon can't be that stupid or jealous is he?i do'nt give a shit about football anymore this season after this,
it seems to have put everything but in it's proper place for me.things are not looking good for sean now.it does seem that he was putting his life together after a few years of being rowdy off the field so i'm glad that happened.i'm praying for the taylor family.i know how it is to be in this position,just 8 weeks ago my family went through this with my sister in law.
everybody just needs to pray for sean and his family in this awful time.

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Watching SportsCenter- Mort just reported that there wasn't much optimism amongst the Redskin folks he spoke with, and that people are just holding out hope that his youth and athleticism save him in this case. Ugh.

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I hope it is a random robbery, and not some other event. For his sake.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;383592]Watching SportsCenter- Mort just reported that there wasn't much optimism amongst the Redskin folks he spoke with, and that people are just holding out hope that his youth and athleticism save him in this case. Ugh.[/QUOTE]

I seriously feel ill.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;383594]I seriously feel ill.[/QUOTE]

I concur, I don't think I have ever been this sad over someones possible passing outside of my family.

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Every article I read has to list, at length, every negative event that's happened in his life. The man was at home with his fiancee and young child when someone broke in and shot him. He wasn't at a strip club at 3 am, he wasn't out on the streets. This could have happened to anyone posting on this site.

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For anyone who hasn't watch the interview with Williams on Redskins.com. Go to the last 15 seconds and you'll see Williams get really choked up, say "I just want him to be alright," and have to leave the stage.

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;383598]Every article I read has to list, at length, every negative event that's happened in his life. The man was at home with his fiancee and young child when someone broke in and shot him. He wasn't at a strip club at 3 am, he wasn't out on the streets. This could have happened to anyone posting on this site.[/quote]

yeah I noticed that earlier, its pretty tasteless

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;383599]For anyone who hasn't watch the interview with Williams on Redskins.com. Go to the last 15 seconds and you'll see Williams get really choked up, say "I just want him to be alright," and have to leave the stage.[/quote]

Just saw that. Got tears rolling down my cheeks right now. Talking about how he's engaged, a new father, and like a son to GW... Damn it man. I hate this so much.

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[QUOTE=AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace;383601]yeah I noticed that earlier, its pretty tasteless[/QUOTE]

It's pretty similar to bringing up a rape victim's sexual history. Disgusting if you ask me. Well she was just asking for it.....:madani:

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Shocking news indeed and hope he makes it out of this. My prayers are with ST and his family.

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[QUOTE=Cowell;383597]I concur, I don't think I have ever been this sad over someones passing outside of my family.[/QUOTE]

i feel the same way. i just can't believe this mess.

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Can Summo make a "Pray for ST" avatar?

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[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm]ProFootballTalk.com -- The Best Pro Football Scoop on the Internet[/url]

According to PFT and the NFLN, Taylor did in fact flatline at least twice during the 6 hour surgery.

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All over the net and tv/raido I have read many thing. But is it true he has hand no brain activity since he got to the hospital?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;383599]For anyone who hasn't watch the interview with Williams on Redskins.com. Go to the last 15 seconds and you'll see Williams get really choked up, say "I just want him to be alright," and have to leave the stage.[/quote]

That was tough to watch

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;383612]That was tough to watch[/QUOTE]

Here at work I was watching a direct feed to the press conference (so basically what is going on when the cameras aren't rolling). And one guy there, don't know who it was I only heard the voice, said that Gibbs, Williams and a couple other guys were in Gibbs' office and they all just sat there and cried before Gibbs went to address the team.

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Takes a tough man to cry...

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[quote=Cowell;383597]I concur, I don't think I have ever been this sad over someones possible passing outside of my family.[/quote]

In a way I almost feel like this HAS happened to someone in my family. Maybe it's just b/c I'm emotional right now. But I grew up in DC. Some of my earliest memories are of my Dad taking me to Skins games at RFK during Gibbs 1.0. I still remember the 3 SuperBowl parties my family threw for our championships.

Redskins football is and always will be something that brings my family and friends together on Sundays. I love this team with all my heart, I keep up with them every single day of the year, and as I've grown up I feel like I'm a part of them and they're a part of me, as cheesy as that may sound. And Taylor is one of my 2 or 3 favorite players. I still remember cheering and running laps around my living room when we drafted him over Kellen Winslow. I wear his jersey every Sunday. I'm devastated.

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[QUOTE=GMScud;383573]EXACTLY. From what I understand, Wilbon grew up pretty well off in suburban Chicago, played high school tennis, and went to ritzy, private Northwestern University. But he's so quick to play the race card, and as you say, act like he's "down with the struggle." He's also a member at luxurious Columbia Country Club in Chevy Chase, MD. But he's down, right? Sanctimonious high horse is exactly right.

Sean was raised by a police chief, never got in any trouble at the U. He made a few bad choices right after coming into the league, and hasn't had a single off-field transgression since. But he "embraced" thug life, right Wilbon? What an asshole.[/QUOTE]

Wilbon is a sanctimonious jerk and many are finally starting to see this. Part of his problem with ST may be ST's reluctance to be open to the press.