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[quote=over the mountain;469137]^^^ yeah firstdown my thoughts exactly about JC. I am just surprised it seems he still has the same bad mechanics since we drafted him. Holding the ball low, takes a big wind up to throw it, doesnt seem to have the mental IQ to read and pick apart defenses. JC does have alot of positives aswell but he might be years away from "it" clicking in his head. Ive said this before and noone has bit on it yet but . . if zorn doesnt feel confident with JC after this year, does he get to handpick his own qb next offseason giving campbell 1 more year to show us he is elite while zorns qb develops? in this league i dont think you can be complacent with average at qb.

go skins![/quote]

I think even if in two years or even next year he wanted to go with his own QB, let's say Colt, it's in the best interests of everyone that he develop Campbell to the fullest extent. If not for us, then at least to drive his value up for another team.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;469100]I was super impressed with Fincher. He's the one person who actually looked like they were trying to make the team.

One positive is that the run defense looked pretty good in general.[/quote]

Definate bright spot! He was all over the ball all night. Obviously, that dude wants a job

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[quote=Riggo44;468646]It can't get any worse then last week.[/quote]

Playa, Please!

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[quote=SmootSmack;469142]I think even if in two years or even next year he wanted to go with his own QB, let's say Colt, it's in the best interests of everyone that he develop Campbell to the fullest extent. If not for us, then at least to drive his value up for another team.[/quote]

The announcers last night sure made it sound like Colt is Zorn's handpicked guy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;469142]I think even if in two years or even next year he wanted to go with his own QB, let's say Colt, it's in the best interests of everyone that he develop Campbell to the fullest extent. If not for us, then at least to drive his value up for another team.[/quote]

I think the team is committed to JC for this year and next at the least, which conveniently enough will take him to the end of his rookie contract. If he's not the answer at the end of 2009 both sides move on and you've got Colt entering year 3 and hopefully ready to compete for the job. If JC is the answer they re-sign him and life is good.

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[quote=irish;469148]The announcers last night sure made it sound like Colt is Zorn's handpicked guy.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]They certainly did.. We should all prepare for Colt Brennan mania, because it's only a matter of time.... [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Mattyk72;469114]I think starting the season on PUP is likely for Kelly, unless his knee is seriously f'd up. Hopefully he just needs some rest and more rehab.[/quote]

This is an excellent observation.
This would mean he wouldn't play until week 6..and that isn't gunna happen anyways.

The way I see it, here is the depth chart for WR in terms of reliablity right now:
Moss
ARE
Thrash
McMullen
Mann
Devin Thomas
Malcolm Kelly

Obviously they are not going to carry 7 wideouts, nor are they going to cut our 2 draft picks, nor, in my opinon, can they risk only the top 3 vets and the rookies since they either suck or are injured.

So, if they dont put Kelly on the PUP list, they will likely keep McMullen as insurance as he has some experience and has shown 3rd down receiver capability....the difficult point is Mann is right there with him.
So putting Kelly on the PUP gives the skins the opportunity to keep both McMullen and Mann on the roster, then when he comes back they can keep the best of the 2.
If McMullen is better, they can drop Mann to the practice squad, otherwise they cut McMullen (I dont think he is eligible for PS)

To me....that sounds like a "plan"....perhaps the same one Zorn was referring to....

Good observation Matty

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Did Kelly start training camp on the active roster, I don't remember. Also, Mann is not eligible for the PS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;469166]Did Kelly start training camp on the active roster, I don't remember. Also, Mann is not eligible for the PS.[/quote]

why is Mann not eligible?
Hes in his first year.
I think it is McMullen that is not eligible

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[quote=skinsnut;469176]why is Mann not eligible?
Hes in his first year.
I think it is McMullen that is not eligible[/quote]

Mann was drafted by the Bengals in 2004, and he's already served two seasons on practice squads.

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[quote=SmootSmack;469115]I just want to point out that Chad Johnson, sorry Chad Ocho Cinco, is playing with a torn labrum so who knows how he will be. Javon Walker was stinking it up in preseason and was way, way down the depth chart and only caught a break because Drew Carter is out for the year. Ditto Bryant Johnson who, as recently as last week was actually 5th on the depth chart as he's battled injuries. DJ Hackett, as usual, has been hurt all preseason and is wasting a chance to start with Steve Smith out a couple of games.

So it's not all cotton candy and lollipops out in veteran WR land either. Just sayin.[/quote]

True, but our rookies WRs have been hurt AND they can't contribute to the offense, nor will they be able to contribute once they return from their injury (well I'm talking about Kelly). I just made that comment b/c I don't know why any of us (including me) thought that our issues at WR were addressed when we got Kelly and Thomas.

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[quote=Ruhskins;469181]True, but our rookies WRs have been hurt AND they can't contribute to the offense, nor will they be able to contribute once they return from their injury (well I'm talking about Kelly). I just made that comment b/c I don't know why any of us (including me) thought that our issues at WR were addressed when we got Kelly and Thomas.[/quote]

Understood. I just wanted to make the point that it doesn't mean our problems would have been solved with a veteran, and they would have cost more-both in dollars and possibly draft picks.

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[quote=hesscl34;469153][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]They certainly did.. We should all prepare for Colt Brennan mania, because it's only a matter of time.... [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

All prepare for Colt Brennan mania? It's here in full force. It's nothing new; it seems like each year the Washington faithful go through this "but....but....but the backup is better" drama/bs. I'm so tired of it. I swear, some people actually want to see JC fail.

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[quote=over the mountain;469137]^^^ yeah firstdown my thoughts exactly about JC. I am just surprised it seems he still has the same bad mechanics since we drafted him. Holding the ball low, takes a big wind up to throw it, doesnt seem to have the mental IQ to read and pick apart defenses. JC does have alot of positives aswell but he might be years away from "it" clicking in his head. Ive said this before and noone has bit on it yet but . . if zorn doesnt feel confident with JC after this year, does he get to handpick his own qb next offseason giving campbell 1 more year to show us he is elite while zorns qb develops? in this league i dont think you can be complacent with average at qb.

go skins![/quote]

I think you're way off base on the mental IQ part. Unless you're picking up something on your tv set that has escaped Gibbs (3 diff SB winning qbs), Cerrato (cut his teeth around Young, Montana), and now Zorn (Hasselbeck). It's football, he's a qb, he and Zorn will figure it out.

There is no way to tell if a qb will be average or not. Top three qbs in the league right now, 1 was the #1 overall pick, 1 was a 6th rounder, the other wasn't drafted at all. There is no magic formula, only gut feelings, educated guesses, and taking a chance and believing in your guy. If you don't believe in Jason Campbell, that's your choice. But can we at least let the season play out before we bury Campbell please?

HTTR

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[quote=memphisskin;469208]I think you're way off base on the mental IQ part. Unless you're picking up something on your tv set that has escaped Gibbs (3 diff SB winning qbs), Cerrato (cut his teeth around Young, Montana), and now Zorn (Hasselbeck). It's football, he's a qb, he and Zorn will figure it out.

There is no way to tell if a qb will be average or not. Top three qbs in the league right now, 1 was the #1 overall pick, 1 was a 6th rounder, the other wasn't drafted at all. There is no magic formula, only gut feelings, educated guesses, and taking a chance and believing in your guy. If you don't believe in Jason Campbell, that's your choice. But can we at least let the season play out before we bury Campbell please?

HTTR[/quote]

I think Campbell deserves another year...so meaning this upcoming season. However, for those of you out there that are crazy about Colt, whenever you start with a new QB ur in rebuilding mode. And after this year, if JC doesn't work out, then we are going to need to rebuild, since a number of veteran players will prob be done after this year (i.e. Jensen, Washington, etc., etc.)

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I must admit I'm starting to come around on Colt. I didn't think he could play on this level and so far he has proved me worng.

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[quote=skinsfan69;469219]I must admit I'm starting to come around on Colt. I didn't think he could play on this level and so far he has proved me worng.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Colt has a ton of confidence.... unlike JC who I think really is fighting to find it. Which is not totally his fault considering the different systems he's had to learn.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Colt Brennan has nothing to lose. He knows he's got the 3rd string all sewn up, so he's out there slinging the ball against 3rd stringer and guys who won't have a job come Monday.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;469185]All prepare for Colt Brennan mania? It's here in full force. It's nothing new; it seems like each year the Washington faithful go through this "but....but....but the backup is better" drama/bs. I'm so tired of it. I swear, some people actually want to see JC fail.[/quote]

Yup. It's a popular pass time in DC.

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Jason Campbell is our Quarterback! End of story.

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[quote=hesscl34;469223][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Colt has a ton of confidence.... unlike JC who I think really is fighting to find it. Which is not totally his fault considering the different systems he's had to learn.[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

I thought that Campbell's passes in this game all were good decisions.
1st Pass: Thomas should have caught the ball or pass interference should have been called.
2nd Pass: Ball to Thrash, while a little underthrown was put in a place where only Thrash could catch it. Could have been caught.
3rd Pass: Cooley dropped it
4th Pass: Short three yard pass to Mann. With the rush coming he got the ball out quickly which is his main problem.

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When Colt can repeatedly lead a charge downfield and score against a first string defense then I'll get excited about him.

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[quote=WaldSkins;469288]I thought that Campbell's passes in this game all were good decisions.
1st Pass: Thomas should have caught the ball or pass interference should have been called.
2nd Pass: Ball to Thrash, while a little underthrown was put in a place where only Thrash could catch it. Could have been caught.
3rd Pass: Cooley dropped it
4th Pass: Short three yard pass to Mann. With the rush coming he got the ball out quickly which is his main problem.[/quote]

On the 1st pass Thomas wasnt the primary receiver, Cooley was.

JC never seems to hit players in stride. The ball is high, low, or behind but never in stride.

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[quote=irish;469299]On the 1st pass Thomas wasnt the primary receiver, Cooley was.

JC never seems to hit players in stride. The ball is high, low, or behind but never in stride.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]..and always way too strong.. he doesn't need to kill them with it, just get it to them. No finesse.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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^^ glad u brought that up b/c it sure did look like cooley was his 1st option but JC didnt want to pull the trigger b/c there were 2 guys around him but then he goes to thomas who had a guy all over him and tries to squeeze a real rocket in there . . .

i think JC will be good this year, i hope he is great!

go skins!

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I missed most of the game (at HS football game, got it DVR'd though), but when Colt was in the last few minutes, they showed a replay of one of his passes and Madden broke down his awful mechanics. Also, in an interview I saw with Zorn a couple of weeks ago he mentioned that if Colt couldn't make the changes Zorn needed he wouldn't be able to "make a large percentage of NFL throws". I don't think Zorn will have any problem to cut Colt if he doesn't show improvement going into next season.

I can't wait until the season starts and we don't have to listen to the Colt-hoopla for a while. I'm sick of it too.

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Pre season is over with. Thank god. Enough of this JC bashing when the guy throws 4 freakin passes. The real games start now so let's start judging the guy off a full game with a game plan.

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yeah give jc a break if its one thing i hate about this place its that nobody ever gives a qb a chance...

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[quote=doughtydoubter;469310]yeah give jc a break if its one thing i hate about this place its that nobody ever gives a qb a chance...[/quote]

Ugh...

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[quote=Lady Brave;469291]When Colt can repeatedly lead a charge downfield and score against a first string defense then I'll get excited about him.[/quote]

Ditto. I do think he'll be a starter in this league eventually, I just don't know if it will be for the B & G.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;469310]yeah give jc a break if its one thing i hate about this place its that nobody ever gives a qb a chance...[/quote]

Chalk it up to ignorance.

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[quote=Mattyk72;469344]Chalk it up to ignorance.[/quote]

I'm very curious what you'll be saying if JC finds his way to the bench this season.... I have a feeling Zorn won't be feelin your love anymore.. ;-)

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ignorance? how many qbs have we passed by?? Ramsey, ferrotte, green, brad johnson, sage rosenfels.
Im just saying cut the kid a break..no more old man collins is our savior talk..no more lets start colt right now talk. (and i love colt)
can you even imagine what it was liek for brunell to have the people of the stands booing him when he was injured and trying to fight it out? im not saying he was the greatest...but still take some pride in your starter and stand up behind him.
YES jason is young and has a ways to go
YES he has looked inconsistent in the past two preseason games
but he is our starter..love him or hate him hes the man. there is no body better out there, on our team, or on the market.

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[quote=hesscl34;469347]I'm very curious what you'll be saying if JC finds his way to the bench this season.... I have a feeling Zorn won't be feelin your love anymore.. ;-)[/quote]

Long way to go. We'll see what happens.

If he proves that he can't play so be it. Gotta give him that chance though.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;469348]ignorance? how many qbs have we passed by?? Ramsey, ferrotte, green, brad johnson, sage rosenfels.
Im just saying cut the kid a break..no more old man collins is our savior talk..no more lets start colt right now talk. (and i love colt)
can you even imagine what it was liek for brunell to have the people of the stands booing him when he was injured and trying to fight it out? im not saying he was the greatest...but still take some pride in your starter and stand up behind him.
YES jason is young and has a ways to go
YES he has looked inconsistent in the past two preseason games
but he is our starter..love him or hate him hes the man. there is no body better out there, on our team, or on the market.[/quote]

The one thing I'll never do is boo our starting QB. Never. I might secretly be cursing him in my mind.. but not to his face! HAIL! :)

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[quote=doughtydoubter;469348]ignorance? how many qbs have we passed by?? Ramsey, ferrotte, green, brad johnson, sage rosenfels.
Im just saying cut the kid a break..no more old man collins is our savior talk..no more lets start colt right now talk. (and i love colt)
can you even imagine what it was liek for brunell to have the people of the stands booing him when he was injured and trying to fight it out? im not saying he was the greatest...but still take some pride in your starter and stand up behind him.
YES jason is young and has a ways to go
YES he has looked inconsistent in the past two preseason games
but he is our starter..love him or hate him hes the man. there is no body better out there, on our team, or on the market.[/quote]

I was talking about ignorance from the fan perspective. Some people seem to think a QB develops overnight.

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[quote=Mattyk72;469354]I was talking about ignorance from the fan perspective. Some people seem to think a QB develops overnight.[/quote]

Since when it going into season 4 considered over night? ... please...

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[quote=hesscl34;469359]Since when it going into season 4 considered over night? ... please...[/quote]

20 starts over 3 years is not a thorough enough body of work.

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[quote=Mattyk72;469362]20 starts over 3 years is not a thorough enough body of work.[/quote]

I agree with you. I am tired of people saying 4 years. Its only 20 games..Which is a [B]1 season[/B] plus four games and an array of different offenses to learn and unlearn as far as techniques. Why can't people get that through their heads. You learn through game experience. In game experience..is what you analyze a QB by not by when he gets drafted. WTF?

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;469185]All prepare for Colt Brennan mania? It's here in full force. It's nothing new; it seems like each year the Washington faithful go through this "but....but....but the backup is better" drama/bs. I'm so tired of it. I swear, some people actually want to see JC fail.[/quote]


Hey sherriff did Colt throw a TD last night?..Not. He looked better but the point is getting the ball in the end zone. Oh and I forgot he was going against Jacksonvilles first team..(sarcasm) So I agree with you also..