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[quote=SmootSmack;541594]What's upsetting people the most about this alleged deal? Is it losing draft picks potentially? Is it just the idea of change again?[/quote]It's the fact that everything that can be said about Cutler can be said about Campbell, from a football perspective. Skinsfan69 points out that Cutler is better. I don't disagree. But the [I]allure[/I], the reason to go get Cutler, to pay the premium it costs to get him...that's stuff we already have in Campbell. Going to get Cutler is the very definition of spinning our wheels in place.

The question becomes: how much is it worth to go out and get a QB that is not Jason Campbell, but doesn't change the type of situation that we have at the QB position? It sounds like a stupid question, and to an extent, it is. Cutler brings a totally different dynamic to the offense, but at the end of the day, will likely not be much more successful than Campbell will.

Problem is, the answer to the question appears to be a sizable amount. But only because the Redskins don't appear to be approaching this from an angle that makes any sense. They want to know how much it will cost them to get Cutler. The proper answer, speaking purely football, is "who cares?" We shouldn't even be discussing someone elses problem. But we're very serious about doing what it takes to get him here.

So we get Cutler. Super Bowl? Hardly. Franchise QB? Yes, but, at what cost?

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[quote=Ruhskins;541651]I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin[/quote]
We never got to the point where they Skins were confirming interest and huddling in SNyder's office for days. He liked Briggs but there wasn't anything to be done...plus Gibbs still had the reigns. The other three were only rumored and no deals were even speculated.

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[quote=Ruhskins;541651]I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin[/quote]
Add Reggie Wayne to that list...Polian even wen't public stating that he would not become a Redskin

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[quote=70Chip;541650]Yeah. Once Snyder starts working the deal, he's going to do something. He HAS to do something. He seems strangely unable to walk away from the table, which is an odd quality in a suppossedly great business mind.[/quote]

I hear that. Once you entertain any deal you have to be prepared to walk away.


...well said.

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Did anyone else see this from Glazer:

"Any team that trades for Cutler also may have to deal with demands from (Cutler agent Bus) Cook for a new contract. Cutler has three years remaining on a six-year rookie deal that could yield as much as $48 million."

That doesn't sound realistic does it? He's still got three years and wants a new one after one pro bowl season in which his team flopped at the end? If anything THE TEAM should be wanting a new deal that's less expensive.

This is all a big mistake.

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[quote=NM Redskin;541656]Carlos Rodgers now in the mix as trade bait.
[URL="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1896/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html"]Early morning Cutler update[/URL][/quote]

Shit, unlike Campbell, Rogers will complain about this. Great. BTW, shouldn't Florio be gloating about all of this? Did he go to sleep?

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[quote=Ruhskins;541663]Shit, unlike Campbell, Rogers will complain about this. Great.[/quote]

Also I like Smoot as a 3rd corner a heck of a lot more then him being the unquestioned #2.

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[quote=NM Redskin;541665]Also I like Smoot as a 3rd corner a heck of a lot more then him being the unquestioned #2.[/quote]

Even better as a 4th.

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[quote=NM Redskin;541656]Carlos Rodgers now in the mix as trade bait.
[URL="http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afcwest/0-3-1896/Early-morning-Cutler-update.html"]Early morning Cutler update[/URL][/quote]

Cutler is from Tennesee. Hopefully they will get it done. That can be their payback for us getting Haynesworth.

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[quote=Ruhskins;541651]I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin[/quote]

The difference is this time around our potential trade partner is hell bent on trading the player in question. At least 3 of these guys went back to business as usual after there flirtation with our front office.

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Ha, that'd be something if the Broncos got Rogers (while still having Champ)

Guess it would explain why the Redskins are supposedly having private workouts with several DBs (other than Vontae Davis and Jeff Allen, I can't remember the rest).

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[quote=Ruhskins;541663]Shit, unlike Campbell, Rogers will complain about this. Great. BTW, shouldn't Florio be gloating about all of this? Did he go to sleep?[/quote]

Believe it or not after seeing him on NFL Network the guy actually seems pretty modest. He even took jabs at his website for being frequently wrong so he can't be all that bad.

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[quote=53Fan;541667]Cutler is from Tennesee. Hopefully they will get it done. That can be their payback for us getting Haynesworth.[/quote]

If that's what it takes I will begrudgingly take that payback. We deserve it. Oh ye vengeful football gods please see fit to hand down your Haynesworth stealing justice in the form of us not getting Cutler.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;541668]The difference is this time around our potential trade partner is hell bent on trading the player in question. At least 3 of these guys went back to business as usual after there flirtation with our front office.[/quote]

True, but I don't think we're the best choice for Denver. And the argument is that when Danny wants something, he'll get it. Honestly, we got lucky that that the Bengals FO was just as incompetent with Chad Johnson.

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[quote=SmootSmack;541669]Ha, that'd be something if the Broncos got Rogers (while still having Champ)

Guess it would explain why the Redskins are supposedly having private workouts with several DBs (other than Vontae Davis and Jeff Allen, I can't remember the rest).[/quote]

Also I got to think that the FO doesn't think they will be able to resign Rodgers after 2009.

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[quote=Ruhskins;541651]I agree with your post but there have been situations where the team didn't get a player they wanted to trade for:

- Lance Briggs
- Dre Bly
[B]- Chad Johnson
- Anquan Boldin[/B][/quote]

CJ doesn't count because the Bengals saved us from ourselves by not accepting any possible trades.

Anquan also wasn't on the trading block.

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[url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/]ProFootballTalk.com - Cutler: “I Was Surprised They Decided To Trade Me This Soon”[/url]

So, uh, as I suspected like two weeks ago, Cutler was bluffing on the anger part. He fully expected to play for Denver next year.

So now, he's getting screwed over by the Broncos. Isn't this just the player we want?

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Now we're throwing in Rogers. He finally played well last year and now we're shipping him out. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I wonder what Jim Zorn is thinking right about now? Maybe something like this:

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[quote=FRPLG;541671]If that's what it takes I will begrudgingly take that payback. We deserve it. Oh ye vengeful football gods please see fit to hand down your Haynesworth stealing justice in the form of us not getting Cutler.[/quote]

:food-smil Amen.

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Maybe we can trade CP back to them and grab Beanie at 13.

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Am I the only one on the Cutler bandwagon?

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Never mind. Lol

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[quote=GTripp0012;541675][url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/]ProFootballTalk.com - Cutler: “I Was Surprised They Decided To Trade Me This Soon”[/url]

So, uh, as I suspected like two weeks ago, Cutler was bluffing on the anger part. He fully expected to play for Denver next year.

So now, he's getting screwed over by the Broncos. Isn't this just the player we want?[/quote]

He was SHOCKED that the Broncos gave up on a reconciliation? This cats so full of it, it's not funny.

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[quote=GTripp0012;541658]It's the fact that everything that can be said about Cutler can be said about Campbell, from a football perspective. Skinsfan69 points out that Cutler is better. I don't disagree. But the [I]allure[/I], the reason to go get Cutler, to pay the premium it costs to get him...that's stuff we already have in Campbell. Going to get Cutler is the very definition of spinning our wheels in place.

[B]The question becomes: how much is it worth to go out and get a QB that is not Jason Campbell, but doesn't change the type of situation that we have at the QB position? It sounds like a stupid question, and to an extent, it is. [/B] Cutler brings a totally different dynamic to the offense, but at the end of the day, will likely not be much more successful than Campbell will.

Problem is, the answer to the question appears to be a sizable amount. But only because the Redskins don't appear to be approaching this from an angle that makes any sense. They want to know how much it will cost them to get Cutler. The proper answer, speaking purely football, is "who cares?" We shouldn't even be discussing someone elses problem. But we're very serious about doing what it takes to get him here.

So we get Cutler. Super Bowl? Hardly. Franchise QB? Yes, but, at what cost?[/quote]

Great post.

How much does the Skins organization have to give away to give Danny "warm fuzzys"

Campbell is just as likely to get us to the playoffs the next 3 years as Cutler....especially if we have a new Stud Olineman from the draft..
This whole trade for Cutler idea is idiotic.
Campbell has outstanding character...which is why we gave Denver a draft pick to get him in the first round.

Danny is an idiot...unless he gets him straight up...which aint gunna happen

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[quote=GTripp0012;541675][url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/cutler-i-was-surprised-they-decided-to-trade-me-this-soon/]ProFootballTalk.com - Cutler: “I Was Surprised They Decided To Trade Me This Soon”[/url]

So, uh, as I suspected like two weeks ago, Cutler was bluffing on the anger part. He fully expected to play for Denver next year.

So now, he's getting screwed over by the Broncos. Isn't this just the player we want?[/quote]

So to paraphrase.

"Wow! I am just a super douche dumbass. Why are they listening to me?"

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The last time the Broncos had a disgruntled star...we ended up with Clinton Portis

Anyhow, [url=http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3684156]Rick Reilly: Jay Cutler didn't plan on being a role model - ESPN The Magazine[/url]

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After all this, Campbell's done regardless. no? I mean you can't pull back from this. They've basically told the whole world they have no faith in the guy.

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No dirtbag i want cutler just as bad!! He is a stud and campbell is not! It's a fact!!!!! Plus according to espn.com we have discussed trading campbell to another team for a 2nd rd pick.

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[quote=70Chip;541689]After all this, Campbell's done regardless. no? I mean you can't pull back from this. They've basically told the whole world they have no faith in the guy.[/quote]
What has Campbell done but miss reads, stare down his primary target, and hessitate to go deep. He just doesn't have that "IT" about him, I don't think he's smart enough to be a great QB. He plays scared and doesn't take many chances which explains his lack of INTs.

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I'm torn about this Cutler thing. On one hand, he has the potential to be a once in a decade type of QB-talent wise. He's got the cannon, he's accurate, he's not afraid to take shots, he's got good mechanics, good footwork-all the goods. He could be a prick or maybe he's just a cocky 25 year old kid and will mature.

On the other hand, Campbell is the type of guy you want in the locker-room, a quiet leader who has been jerked around a little in his career by multiple coaches, multiple systems and in spite of it all has shown the ability to be a 10 year starter in the NFL.

But that's where the difference is. Campbell can be a 10 year starter, Cutler can be a 10 year star. Sure it would suck to give up this year's #1 pick and a pick next year but we've basically started cheating on Campbell out in the open now. Either way we're going to be QB shopping soon. Now that we are in it, we've got to make the deal because without it, we're going to set the franchise back another 5 years while we still seek that franchise QB.

The stability upside if we get Cutler is first, we're set at the most important position on the field for years to come. Second, if he's successful in '09 then Zorn will be here for a while, if not then you know Snyder will break the bank (again) for Shanahan and we're going to have him as coach for at least 5 years.

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[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;541692]What has Campbell done but miss reads, stare down his primary target, and hessitate to go deep. He just doesn't have that "IT" about him, I don't think he's smart enough to be a great QB. He plays scared and doesn't take many chances which explains his lack of INTs.[/quote]


Your complaining because a lack of Interceptions??? That is retarded.

Re: Broncos to trade Cutler
 

[quote=Skins_4_Lyfe;541692]What has Campbell done but miss reads, stare down his primary target, and hessitate to go deep. He just doesn't have that "IT" about him, I don't think he's smart enough to be a great QB. He plays scared and doesn't take many chances which explains his lack of INTs.[/quote]

Dont you think a weak Oline and WR corps has anything to do with that?
What would change by swapping Cutler who is used to playing against the weakest (vs toughest) competition in the league.

Not to mention, we'd likely lose either starters or future starters that we need (high draft picks)

Campbell is the best qb we have had in years...to throw away that now is absurd.

Lets say we get Cutler...who will block for him long term?
Who will catch passes if both rookie WR's dont pan out?
At least with Campbell, we can shore up positions that need significant help to assist the offense in general...this is a team sport, it takes 11 to gain yardage and score, not 1..

Think of it this way...what is better....Cutler with the current aging line or Campbell plus a stud young OT...not to mention he knows the WR's and the system...I vote for Campbell

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[quote=SmootSmack;541645]No, I was saying that Campbell's biggest supporter on the team the past couple of years is actually no longer on the team. He, Bill Lazor, is now in Seattle.[/quote]

damn me for not following the league strongly enough, should've been an easy pickup for me :o

i seriously need to up my game

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Let's just say, we can't justify whether our potential trade is worth it for a few years...

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[quote=skinsnut;541695]
What would change by swapping Cutler who is used to playing against the weakest (vs toughest) competition in the league.

Campbell is the best qb we have had in years...to throw away that now is absurd.

[/quote]
#1 I'm not a big fan of the trade, I just had to laugh when I saw "After all Campbell has done"

#2 Brunnell was better than Campbell

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[quote=SmootSmack;541669]Ha, that'd be something if the Broncos got Rogers (while still having Champ)

Guess it would explain why the Redskins are supposedly having private workouts with several DBs (other than Vontae Davis and Jeff Allen, I can't remember the rest).[/quote]

I don't like it.. our secondary has been a very strong point

losing carlos on top of losing i might be on the field springs would honestly diminish what we had back there..

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Let's keep in mind that we had to give up draft picks to move up to the 1st round in the draft and select Jason Campbell.

That means if we trade Campbell along with additional picks for Cutler that would be a two fold loss of draft pick value for one quarterback.

The end result is that we'll probably give away 4 or more draft picks to ultimately end up with Cutler. I can't say with certainty that Cutler will perform better than Campbell behind our OL. However, if the picks that were traded to move up for Campbell and possibly traded for Cutler, were spent on OL we could be in a lot better position to suit a new QB to our team.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;541705]Let's keep in mind that we had to give up draft picks to move up to the 1st round in the draft and select Jason Campbell.

That means if we trade Campbell along with additional picks for Cutler that would be a two fold loss of draft pick value for one quarterback.

The end result is that we'll probably give away 4 or more draft picks to ultimately end up with Cutler. I can't say with certainty that Cutler will perform better than Campbell behind our OL. However, if the picks that were traded to move up for Campbell and possibly traded for Cutler, were spent on OL we could be in a lot better position to suit a new QB to our team.[/quote]
If Campbell doesn't work out then we give away half of that for nothing

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ESPN news reports Denver wants at least two first round picks and could be traded by as early as Friday

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and that they don't necessarily want a QB in return.