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[quote=Mattyk;704528]lol so true[/quote]


I kid you not, I had this one numb-nut at the bar tell me "we should nuke it, turn the seabed into glass and be done with it."

:doh:

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704519]Please don't misrepresent my words. This is not a trivial exercise. HOWEVER, the motivation to put resources towards being the company that develops a solution increases as the time goes on.[/quote]

Misrepresent your words? Huh? I merely expanded on the subject.

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[quote=saden1;704537]Misrepresent your words? Huh? I merely expanded on the subject.[/quote]

Gotcha. Sorry.

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[quote=saden1;704536]I kid you not, I had this one numb-nut at the bar tell me "we should nuke it, turn the seabed into glass and be done with it."

:doh:[/quote]A bit more complicated than "turn the seabed to glass" but an option that should be investigated if it has a track record of success. At this point no option should be off the table.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojCbqfRRr8]YouTube - Nuke the oil spill: Could nuclear bomb be answer for huge leaks as at US Gulf coast?[/ame]

[url=http://www.oil-price.net/en/articles/use-nukes-to-contain-the-oil-spill.php]Use nukes to contain the oil spill[/url]

[url=http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0504/russian-paper-suggests-nuclear-explosion-cut-gulf-oil-geyser/]Russian paper suggests ‘nuclear explosion’ could cap gulf oil geyser | Raw Story[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;704444]This is like a really, really bad nightmare that just won't end. [B]I hope BP goes out of business after all of this. They certainly deserve to[/B].[/quote]I agree with you, but let's hope it's after they've paid every last dime to clean the damage and compensate the victims.

[URL="http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/01/news/companies/BP_analysts/index.htm"]Analysts: BP's $70B loss overdone - Jun. 1, 2010[/URL]

Sure makes that $ 500K acoustic device look a lot more cost effective now.

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[quote=joeredskin;704508]take a deep breath and sit down for this first, i have some earth shattering news for you:

The private sector does not have the answer for everything.[/quote]

[b]double take[/b]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;704545]A bit more complicated than "turn the seabed to glass" but an option that should be investigated if it has a track record of success. At this point no option should be off the table.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ojCbqfRRr8]YouTube - Nuke the oil spill: Could nuclear bomb be answer for huge leaks as at US Gulf coast?[/url]

[url=http://www.oil-price.net/en/articles/use-nukes-to-contain-the-oil-spill.php]Use nukes to contain the oil spill[/url]

[url=http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0504/russian-paper-suggests-nuclear-explosion-cut-gulf-oil-geyser/]Russian paper suggests ‘nuclear explosion’ could cap gulf oil geyser | Raw Story[/url][/quote]

Anybody on TV has an idea of how to stop the leak, dag

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704514]Maybe not,[B] but with the right motivation the private sector very often finds a workable solution.[/B] In this case, clearly with govt support, there are several motivating factors for a private sector oil leader to come up with a solution. 1) if a company makes a breakthrough and finds a creative, effective way to end this, they get HIGH Publicity and advertising capital for their company. 2) if the solution is patent-able, they could make a profit by their design. 3) the company that stops it, if BP were to throw up their hands, would have an upper hand in the foreseeable future of deep sea drilling.

IF, and I don't believe this will be the case, it goes unstopped till August, this will be the equivalent to deepsea drilling that 3-Mile island was to Nuclear energy in this country.[/quote]

Of course it does. In fact, the private sector is likely to have 1) more flexibility and 2) greater ability to "think outside the box" in looking for solutions. On the other hand, the private sector probably does not have the [I]spectrum[/I] of resources that government entities have. I do not doubt that the public sector can marshall more and broader information (including wide ranges of specialists) and manpower (in the short term) than the private sector and, conversely that application of those resources can be done more efficiently and with more innovation by the private sector.

Mustering large amounts of short term manpower & gathering information (mundane and specialized) and specialists across a broad spectrum of knowledge? Public Sector.

[I]Applying[/I] those resources and information to find new and innovative solutions? Private Sector.

Obviously, this is an oversimplification and the devil is in the details. But step one in finding a solution is recognizing what each group does well.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704558][b]double take[/b][/quote]

Oh.- You mean you are surprised when you're neat little over simplifications and sweeping generalities actually paint an inaccurate picture? You must walk around with a constant look of shock on your face.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;704570]Oh.- You mean you are surprised when you're neat little over simplifications and sweeping generalities actually paint an inaccurate picture? You must walk around with a constant look of shock on your face.[/quote]

You get a win. U win the battle. Rummy

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/03/gulf.oil.spill/?hpt=Sbin]BP seeks yet another way to stop oil leak as protests loom - CNN.com[/url]

This backs my earlier claims that BP has now abandoned the plan to use the diamond saw, and have basically said they must wait until the relief wells are completed 2 months from now.

Highlights from the article:

[B]BP announced Wednesday it had abandoned its latest plan to use a massive diamond wire cutter to cut the pipe spewing oil.
[/B]

They have given up, and there is nothing we can do about it. We were the dumbasses who trusted them....

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We already knew that the only solution is going to be the relief well, but I don't see anything about them giving up until August. They're going to try another top hat.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704612][url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/03/gulf.oil.spill/?hpt=Sbin]BP seeks yet another way to stop oil leak as protests loom - CNN.com[/url]

This backs my earlier claims that BP has now abandoned the plan to use the diamond saw, and have basically said they must wait until the relief wells are completed 2 months from now.

Highlights from the article:

[B]BP announced Wednesday it had abandoned its latest plan to use a massive diamond wire cutter to cut the pipe spewing oil.
[/B]

They have given up, and there is nothing we can do about it. We were the dumbasses who trusted them....[/quote]

Here is your quote in context:
[quote]
[I]BP announced Wednesday it had abandoned its latest plan to use a massive diamond wire cutter to cut the pipe spewing oil.
[/I][SIZE="1"][your quote][/SIZE]
BP engineers had hoped the cutter would cut the pipe making it easier for them to place a cap on it.

The diamond wire cutter plan was dumped after the device got stuck midway through the pipe. It was freed and taken to the surface, Allen said.

[B]The next move will be to use the same sheer-cutting device that made a successful cut on the riser Tuesday.[/B] [SIZE="1"][the part that says they are continuing to try][/SIZE]The only issue with that cutter is the rougher surface left by that cut will not accommodate the tight seal needed for installation of the lower-marine riser package that BP wanted to use the stop the gusher.

BP engineers now plan to use a different device called a "top hat" instead.[/quote]

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[quote=Mattyk;704613]We already knew that the only solution is going to be the relief well, but I don't see anything about them giving up until August. They're going to try another top hat.[/quote]

It's amazing to me that the best minds in the world can't figure out how to fix this after so long. Ugh.

Why did the White House refuse help from 13 other countries (Canada, Mexico, South Korea, and 10 European nations) and the UN? WTF? Seems like the more assistance the better. The State Dept said we have no immediate need for assistance. Really? Could have fooled me.

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[quote=GMScud;704622]It's amazing to me that the best minds in the world can't figure out how to fix this after so long. Ugh.

Why did the White House refuse help from 13 other countries (Canada, Mexico, South Korea, and 10 European nations) and the UN? WTF? Seems like the more assistance the better. The State Dept said we have no immediate need for assistance. Really? Could have fooled me.[/quote]

I know every average Joe sitting at home seems to have a solution but I think the fact they can't get it fixed speaks to what a cluster F of a problem is really is. This isn't your kitchen sink leaking here.

As far as turning down assistance, perhaps it's a case of having two many hands in the pot may only make things worse.

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[quote=GMScud;704622]It's amazing to me that the best minds in the world can't figure out how to fix this after so long. Ugh.

Why did the White House refuse help from 13 other countries (Canada, Mexico, South Korea, and 10 European nations) and the UN? WTF? Seems like the more assistance the better. The State Dept said we have no immediate need for assistance. Really? Could have fooled me.[/quote]

What is that old saying?

oh yeah, Pride goeth before the fall.

Hadn't heard we had refused help, but that seems ridiculous to me. The more expert eyes on the problem the better it would seem to me.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704624]What is that old saying?

oh yeah, Pride goeth before the fall.

Hadn't heard we had refused help, but that seems ridiculous to me. The more expert eyes on the problem the better it would seem to me.[/quote]

Not really related to the discussion at hand, however, what's funny is that "old saying" is actually a misquote:

[quote=Proverbs 16:18]Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.[/quote]

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Latest word from gulf shores is that there is more than a handful of "top people" suggesting to the government that a nuclear or other kind of explosive be used to fill the well, based on the fact that the russians successfully plugged runaway wells 70 years ago by using a nuclear weapon.....

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[quote=Mattyk;704623]I know every average Joe sitting at home seems to have a solution but I think the fact they can't get it fixed speaks to what a cluster F of a problem is really is. This isn't your kitchen sink leaking here.

As far as turning down assistance, perhaps it's a case of having two many hands in the pot may only make things worse.[/quote]

Thats the first I heard of turning down assistance but I don't see how we can have too many hands in the pot with all the miles of coast line we need to protect.

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[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0322640020100603]US wary of nuclear blast to stop Gulf oil leak | Reuters[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;704623]I know every average Joe sitting at home seems to have a solution but I think the fact they can't get it fixed speaks to what a cluster F of a problem is really is. This isn't your kitchen sink leaking here.

As far as turning down assistance, perhaps it's a case of having two many hands in the pot may only make things worse.[/quote]

It's not my kitchen, you're correct there. But if it was, I'd be pissed that the current cooks have had about six weeks with their hands in the pot and have done nothing but fail repeatedly. I don't see how some fresh sets of eyes can hurt.

Also, how on earth do Obama and Co justify not allowing more assistance in the form of beems/barriers and wildlife rescue? Can't have enough of that IMO. A cluster Fu*k indeed.

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some interesting info

[url=http://beforeitsnews.com/news/48/677/The_Big_Picture:_Why_Is_It_So_Hard_to_Stop_the_Oil_Gusher,_and_Why_Was_Such_Extreme_Deepwater_Drilling_Allowed_in_the_First_Place.html]The Big Picture: Why Is It So Hard to Stop the Oil Gusher, and Why Was Such Extreme Deepwater Drilling Allowed in the First Place? | Before It's News[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;704640]Latest word from gulf shores is that there is more than a handful of "top people" suggesting to the government that a nuclear or other kind of explosive be used to fill the well, based on the fact that the russians successfully plugged runaway wells 70 years ago by using a nuclear weapon.....[/quote]

I know you are listening to your inside sources, but sometimes your reflective comments remind me of the JLC - Adam Schefter debate on AH. You may be hearing valid comments, but they seem to be tainted by the local negative frustrations much like JLC's AH reports tended to be slanted to the negative.

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[quote=Mattyk;704653]some interesting info

[url=http://beforeitsnews.com/news/48/677/The_Big_Picture:_Why_Is_It_So_Hard_to_Stop_the_Oil_Gusher,_and_Why_Was_Such_Extreme_Deepwater_Drilling_Allowed_in_the_First_Place.html]The Big Picture: Why Is It So Hard to Stop the Oil Gusher, and Why Was Such Extreme Deepwater Drilling Allowed in the First Place? | Before It's News[/url][/quote]

Great article Matty. Full of WHOA and Holy Cow moments, here is one that made me shake my head:

[quote]As NPR reported in 2007:

All the U.S. tanks, planes and ships guzzle 340,000 barrels of oil a day, making the American military the single-largest purchaser and consumer of oil in the world.

If the Defense Department were a country, it would rank about 38th in the world for oil consumption, right behind the Philippines.

As Reuters pointed out in 2008:

U.S. military fuel consumption dwarfs energy demand in many countries around the world, adding up to nearly double the fuel use in Ireland and 20 times more than that of Iceland, according to the U.S. Department of Energy.[/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;704668]Great article Matty. Full of WHOA and Holy Cow moments, here is one that made me shake my head:[/quote]
[url=http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=58831]Defense.gov News Article: Department Hailed as Leader in ‘Green’ Movement[/url]

"In 2008 and 2009, the military had 120 requests to assist with natural disasters such as hurricanes and wild fires in the United States, as well as 54 requests to respond to overseas natural disasters last year, she said."

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/03/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1]BP cuts leaking oil pipe; protests set to start - CNN.com[/url]

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Here's a live picture of my lunch view today from the balcony at our place in southwest Florida on the gulf. This spill is really personal for me. If oil ruins these beaches for years, all the little shops and restuarants around here that rely on tourism are finito. Not to mention all the fishhermen. Property values are going to plummet as well, and that's bad news for a state like Florida that has already been crushed by the housing crisis. I have to think it's inevitable at this point. Just like what's already happening in LA.

Makes me so sick, so sad, and so angry.

[IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/ddd10397.jpg[/IMG]

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[B]Big Oil - Dick Cheny, Bush (all of them), Palin - Big Oil[/B]. Do not vote for Big Oil to take their government back. If you want BP to pay, do not vote Republican, I repeat do not, or they will not pay. [B]Rand Paul of the Tea Party [/B]says holding Big Oil responsible is [B]Un-American[/B]. By principle the Tea Party will let Big Oil off the hook. [B]BP must pay!!!! [/B]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704689][B]Big Oil - Dick Cheny, Bush (all of them), Palin - Big Oil[/B]. Do not vote for Big Oil to take their government back. If you want BP to pay, do not vote Republican, I repeat do not, or they will not pay. [B]Rand Paul of the Tea Party [/B]says holding Big Oil responsible is [B]Un-American[/B]. By principle the Tea Party will let Big Oil off the hook. [B]BP must pay!!!! [/B][/quote]

LOL. You're silly.

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[quote=GMScud;704685]Here's a live picture of my lunch view today from the balcony at our place in southwest Florida on the gulf. This spill is really personal for me. If oil ruins these beaches for years, all the little shops and restuarants around here that rely on tourism are finito. Not to mention all the fishhermen. Property values are going to plummet as well, and that's bad news for a state like Florida that has already been crushed by the housing crisis. I have to think it's inevitable at this point. Just like what's already happening in LA.

Makes me so sick, so sad, and so angry.

[IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s274/gmscud/ddd10397.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I hear ya, my wife and I love to vacation in Florida in the Clearwater area. We were there a week before all this mess started. Those beaches are so beautiful. To think of the environment and wildlife there being ruined by this is so depressing.

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[quote=Mattyk;704705]I hear ya, my wife and I love to vacation in Florida in the Clearwater area. We were there a week before all this mess started. Those beaches are so beautiful. To think of the environment and wildlife there being ruined by this is so depressing.[/quote]

Priceless!!!! Worth more than all the oil in under the Gulf, well what's left of it anyway.

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This is the scariest model I've seen yet. Florida could easily be totally engulfed on both coasts. Without their beaches and fisheries, Florida is done. Not to mention what's already happening to Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. Looks like NC and SC are going to be affected as well.

This thing is going to alter the entire Gulf and a large portion of the eastern seaboard for many years. I really could cry.

[url=http://www2.ucar.edu/news/ocean-currents-likely-to-carry-oil-spill-along-atlantic-coast]Ocean currents likely to carry oil along Atlantic coast | UCAR[/url]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;704708]Priceless!!!! Worth more than all the oil in under the Gulf, well what's left of it anyway.[/quote]

:confused:

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[quote=GMScud;704774]This is the scariest model I've seen yet. Florida could easily be totally engulfed on both coasts. Without their beaches and fisheries, Florida is done. Not to mention what's already happening to Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana. Looks like NC and SC are going to be affected as well.

This thing is going to alter the entire Gulf and a large portion of the eastern seaboard for many years. I really could cry.

[url=http://www2.ucar.edu/news/ocean-currents-likely-to-carry-oil-spill-along-atlantic-coast]Ocean currents likely to carry oil along Atlantic coast | UCAR[/url][/quote]

Someone tried this scare tactic earlier, but scientists from Florida University and even people from the Coast Guard have disputed this. The NOAA doesnt see the spill taking this path. For one thing, the current does not move that quickly, and secondly, judging by current maps of the so called "loop current", the current begins to pull eastward after it gets around Miami, and this would pull oil towards europe, not towards the northeastern US. Too many people have already disputed this map. Nothing more than media scare mongering.

For this to even be a possibility, the flow would have to go uncontained for at least 3 more months.....but.....but this is BP we are talking about.....oh shit

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BreakingNews

Update: BP's chief operating officer says containment cap placed over leaking Gulf well has been collecting some oil - TODAY 12 minutes ago via breakingnews.com

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finally figured out how to siphon, huh. This is analagous to a coke head who accidentally sneezes while they are about to do a line, and now they got their straw down on the floor. LOL!!!

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mmm Those birds look delicious, covered in chocolate. Chocolate Pelican anyone? Oops my fault this should go in the dinner thread.

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some really sad shit here, just pisses me off

[url=http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html]Caught in the oil - The Big Picture - Boston.com[/url]

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The siphon is only taking 1000 barrels a day....hardly a fix....the worst is yet to come.

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This is really heartbreaking.