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SO how does AH look? Is he in there getting some real 11 on 11 work?

Is he on e the second team?

what is the deal with the big guy now that he is practicing?

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^hes done for the day according to the washington post

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Got updates about AH's day over on the Insider. It seems as though he did not do any 11 on 11 work. He ran all the drills and position work but was not in the 11 on 11 stuff. Is this correct?

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Sounds like he just did drills today, but is expected to be a full go on Monday

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Quick question: What is the Skins training camp arrangement. Do the players stay in dorms for camp or are they allowed to go home after practice? Does the Ashburn facility even have dorms? I imagine some players need a place to stay since guys like Beck had to drive two hours just to get to practice.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;718307]Quick question: What is the Skins training camp arrangement. Do the players stay in dorms for camp or are they allowed to go home after practice? Does the Ashburn facility even have dorms? I imagine some players need a place to stay since guys like Beck had to drive two hours just to get to practice.[/quote]

Unlike in the Zorn years, the guys stay in a hotel during camp rather than going home.

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Hmm, I think Zorn implemented the allowing them to go home thing in year 2 of his tenure along with a softer training camp to avoid injuries. I think it's safe to say none of that stuff worked.

Saw a note that Shanahan said AH would practice 2nd string NT on Monday.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;718320]Saw a note that Shanahan said AH would practice 2nd string NT on Monday.[/quote]

Good practice for the 2nd string offensive line.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;718320]Saw a note that Shanahan said AH would practice 2nd string NT on Monday.[/quote]


Why NT? Totally negates AH as a player. This better just be more Shanny trying to humble AH a bit. AH's talents will be negated significantly at NT.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;718084][URL="http://ht.ly/2ma5I"]Mike Shanahan Cancels Rest Of Redskins Practices: 'We're As Good As We Can Get' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/URL]

Just remember to consider the source.[/quote]


THe Onion rocks, especially their videos on their website.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718345]Why NT? Totally negates AH as a player. This better just be more Shanny trying to humble AH a bit. AH's talents will be negated significantly at NT.[/quote]

Haslett plans to use AH as a rushing NT during passing situations. Furthermore, it seems like guys on the defensive line are going to be very versatile and move around a lot. I wouldn't read much into this. I believe that once we are deep into training camp, you'll see AH as a DE with the first team. I don't mind seeing AH work for his spot. Also, I think Haslett has big plans for AH on that defensive line.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718345]Why NT? Totally negates AH as a player. This better just be more Shanny trying to humble AH a bit. AH's talents will be negated significantly at NT.[/quote]

He has the most to learn at NT. Playing DE in the 3-4 is similar to playing DT in the 4-3. The nose is a whole new animal, gotta get him up to speed there.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;718319]Hmm, I think Zorn implemented the allowing them to go home thing in year 2 of his tenure along with a softer training camp to avoid injuries. I think it's safe to say none of that stuff worked.[/quote]

What are your thoughts on Shanahan implementing a simular type practice schedule designed to reduce the risk of injury and overwork? Is this IYO a good strategy, or should he be working the players a little harder?

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Still stinking the place up...

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.

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[quote=davy;718401]Still stinking the place up...

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.[/quote]

Given his track record, it is too early to worry too much about DMac.

Worrying about the long snapping situation is a different story. If Sundberg can't cut it, we need someone else. I heard the Red Snapper is available. :silly:

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Apparently DM wasn't a great camp player in Philly either, for whatever reasons

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[quote=davy;718401]Still stinking the place up...

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.[/quote]

Everyone is learning the new offense. A few players are actually having a very good camp while others are struggling. A new offense should not be that big of a problem for a FQB, but knowing Mc5's history of inacuracy, the trials he's experiencing early in camp are not surprising. Hopefully hell improve as things progress.

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Donovan will be ready to go come week 1. I am not to worried about him at this point. He is expieriencing some growing pains in the new offense.

This is a new start to his career and he will get it down.

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[quote=Mattyk;718363]He has the most to learn at NT. Playing DE in the 3-4 is similar to playing DT in the 4-3. The nose is a whole new animal, gotta get him up to speed there.[/quote]


OK I can understand that, but won't he still have to face being double or triple teamed at NT? I know he shed 35 lbs and probably will be more versatile once the knee is 100%, but that still is a lot of weight to go up against. I hope you are right about this just being a learning experience. I know Haslett has some nice plans for him, just hope it isn't as a full time NT.

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[quote=Lotus;718405]Given his track record, it is too early to worry too much about DMac.

Worrying about the long snapping situation is a different story. If Sundberg can't cut it, we need someone else. I heard the Red Snapper is available. :silly:[/quote]

Has anyone said Sundberg is not cutting it? He was an excellent long snapper at Cal. I was expecting him to have no problems coming in here and taking over at the LS spot.

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[quote=SkinzWin;718434]Has anyone said Sundberg is not cutting it? He was an excellent long snapper at Cal. I was expecting him to have no problems coming in here and taking over at the LS spot.[/quote]

There have been a few reports of snapping problems in camp, such as this one:

LS Nick Sundberg. He had another low snap on a field goal attempt in which Josh Bidwell made a good save. Graham Gano still made the kick, but I’ve seen too many of his snaps hit turf before hands.

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Studs-and-Duds-8710-100198384.html]Studs and Duds 8/7/10 | Washington Examiner[/url]

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[quote=davy;718401]Still stinking the place up...
Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.[/quote]

LoL, that's gotta be from John Keim.
I kinda take any local sports media critique of acutual on the field play with a truck load of salt.
I doubt wether a) Keim can identifiy why McNabb may or may not be late on his throws (trust) b) Keim realizes that they are building chemistry and timing in the practices
c) does he take into account which receivers he's out of sync with?
d) wether or not he was under duress/which defenders they were going against
etc...etc...etc...
At what point do i get concerned?-Never
Edit:If he gets hurt
We're talking about Donovan McNabb not some unproven journeyman.
I won't be concerned if McNabb throws a billions ints in practice and in preseason, although i doubt he will.
Over the course of his career he's throw an astonishingly low number of ints and proven to be not just a top tier QB but a playmaker.

Craziness.

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[quote=30gut;718436]LoL, that's gotta be from John Keim.
I kinda take any local sports media critique of acutual on the field play with a truck load of salt.
I doubt wether a) Keim can identifiy why McNabb may or may not be late on his throws (trust) b) Keim realizes that they are building chemistry and timing in the practices
c) does he take into account which receivers he's out of sync with?
d) wether or not he was under duress/which defenders they were going against
etc...etc...etc...
At what point do i get concerned?-Never
Edit:If he gets hurt
We're talking about Donovan McNabb not some unproven journeyman.
I won't be concerned if McNabb throws a billions ints in practice and in preseason, although i doubt he will.
Over the course of his career he's throw an astonishingly low number of ints and proven to be not just a top tier QB but a playmaker.

Craziness.[/quote]

Still, you have to be wondering in the back of your head about the answer to the biggest question of all. Why did the Eagles do the unthinkable and dump him? ANother thing, if the guy only has one trusted WR in preseason practice thus far, do you really think it is going to all of a sudden be hunky dory come Sept 12 unless the other guys step it up? Give the team another 3 weeks to get the rust completely shaken off then one can truly start worrying. If it is August 20 and media guys or fellow posters covering camp practice report the same things then you should worry. If we have preseason game performances ala the Zorn era worry like crazy.

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I think he is playing most of his time at the RE position. That is what has been stated as his primary function, with NT being used on passing downs.

Like Matty stated he needs to be up to speed on the NT position and running him with the second team in camp is great because it doesnt ake away reps from KEMO ( who coming of injury needs as many as he can get ) our primary starting NT and gives him plenty in all the defensive looks. Gives he guy the opportunity to learn the NT position assignments in all of our different looks.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718433]OK I can understand that, but won't he still have to face being double or triple teamed at NT? I know he shed 35 lbs and probably will be more versatile once the knee is 100%, but that still is a lot of weight to go up against. I hope you are right about this just being a learning experience. I know Haslett has some nice plans for him, just hope it isn't as a full time NT.[/quote]

he was seeing doubles quite a bit as DT too

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Crap, I know it's only preseason but Doug Free is actually looking good at LT for the Cowboys. Is anyone else watching the HOF game?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;718463]Crap, I know it's only preseason but Doug Free is actually looking good at LT for the Cowboys. Is anyone else watching the HOF game?[/quote]

Nope, I'm watching the arrows and dots on NFL.com. For some reason the game lacks luster.

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[quote=tryfuhl;718457]he was seeing doubles quite a bit as DT too[/quote]


Yeah, but you are lined up against the entire interior line Tryfuhl. If there are like 5-6 OLs he will get a possible 3rd lineman on him.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;718463]Crap, I know it's only preseason but Doug Free is actually looking good at LT for the Cowboys. Is anyone else watching the HOF game?[/quote]

Just wait till Doug Free goes against Albert and Orakpo, then we'll still see if he looks that good going against players like that and not players that are recovering from offseason knee surgery( Antwan Odom)

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Bengals OL looked worse than ours did last year

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[quote=skinsfaninok;718517]Bengals OL looked worse than ours did last year[/quote]

I noticed that too. Their first group looked terrible.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;718440]Still, you have to be wondering in the back of your head about the answer to the biggest question of all. Why did the Eagles do the unthinkable and dump him?[/quote]


I guess i would be worried if i thought that McNabb was done, which i suspect is what you believe.
But, your question has been answered by the people that made the decision:

[quote=Mike Jensen and Ashley Fox ]"The crux of the decision, and I think everybody [involved in the decision] would describe it the same way," Banner said, "[was that] we have two quarterbacks who are very good, we think . . . capable of winning a Super Bowl - I understand that needs to be proven. Donovan didn't do it. Kevin hasn't even tried yet. But at that point, it really became [a question of] one of them has a chance to lead us for the next eight to 10 years . . . one, who knows? One year? Four years? But a considerably shorter time."

Read more: [url=http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100725_How_the_Eagles_moved_on_from_McNabb.html?viewAll=y#ixzz0w7XXBWdu]How the Eagles moved on from McNabb | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/25/2010[/url]
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"We weren't in a panic mode, because we could've waited another year and it could've played out that way - but if we waited a year, maybe there would've been much less market value for Donovan," Lurie said. "He wouldn't be under contract to us, so we probably would've had to franchise him to have market value."

"It wasn't an easy decision, just a slam dunk, for me," Reid said. "You've got to evaluate age and you've got to evaluate what's left in the tank, who has the upside and who doesn't. You want to make sure you got maximum value for your football team because I'm not into giving good players away. I don't want to do that.

"Brett Favre was the last big-time [quarterback] to go someplace, and Brett was a little bit older. Green Bay got a fourth-round pick for him, so if it was going to be Donovan McNabb, who I figured could probably pull the most for our organization, I wanted to make sure it was at least close to what he was worth."



Read more: [url=http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20100725_How_the_Eagles_moved_on_from_McNabb.html?viewAll=y#ixzz0w7XDnSjU]How the Eagles moved on from McNabb | Philadelphia Inquirer | 07/25/2010[/url]
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[quote] ANother thing, if [B][I][U]the guy only has one trusted WR in preseason practice thus far[/U][/I][/B], [/quote]

Well first i would have to agree with Keim that their is only 1 trusted WR in practice which i don't.
I've heard good reports about Moss, Williams, Galloway and Austin not to mention Cooley and Davis.

[quote]do you really think it is going to all of a sudden be hunky dory come Sept 12 unless the other guys step it up?[/quote]

Now it seems you kinda switched the convo from being about McNabb to being about the receiving corps.
And yes i think its going to be fine because i don't think anything is wrong.
Its training camp in a new scheme with some new receivers and with a new QB there are gonna be growing pains.
Again, i'm not going to follow the word of 1 sports media dude.

[quote]If it is August 20 and media guys or fellow posters covering camp practice report the same things then you should worry.[/quote]

Nope still won't be worried.
We're talking about Donovan McNabb dude not a journeyman or a rookie.
You're not going to erase his history because of a couple bad practices.

[quote]If we have preseason game performances ala the Zorn era worry like crazy[/quote]

Nope not even then.

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[quote=davy;718401]Still stinking the place up...

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. He still could be adjusting to the offense. He could be bothered by the fact that he really only has one proven receiver. Or he could just be having a bad camp. It’s only 10 days into camp so it’s not time to panic. However, McNabb had another bad day Saturday. He’s waiting too long after the receiver cuts to make the pass, a sign that he perhaps does not yet trust them. Receivers who have broken free on crossing patterns often have to reach back inside to make a catch. His passes have allowed beaten defenders to recover. At what point do you get concerned? If he has a bad preseason, too.[/quote]

Even w/ DM does anyone really think that this offense is going to average 24 to 28 points? I don't.

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I don't think we will score 28 ppg. But I do wonder about our depth chart.

Do only the 1st through 3rd teamers stay at the cut?

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/team/depthChart.jsp]Depth Chart - Washington Redskins[/url]

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Thomas and Kelly both on the 3rd team. So far, So fail

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Just like AH is our backup nosetackle (like that's gonna happen). Don't get your panties all in a bunch over an unofficial depth chart during the preseason. The 2nd and 3rd stringers get more reps in the preseason so look at it as addition work.

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[quote=backrow;718590]I don't think we will score 28 ppg. But I do wonder about our depth chart.

Do only the 1st through 3rd teamers stay at the cut?

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/team/depthChart.jsp]Depth Chart - Washington Redskins[/url][/quote]

came here to post this.. not necessarily though.. still in wait and see mode

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[quote=Chico23231;718591]Thomas and Kelly both on the 3rd team. So far, So fail[/quote]

They are just making the young bucks work for it. Plus Galloway was actually participating in 100% of the offseason crap.

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[quote=Angry;718592]Just like AH is our backup nosetackle (like that's gonna happen). Don't get your panties all in a bunch over an unofficial depth chart during the preseason. The 2nd and 3rd stringers get more reps in the preseason so look at it as addition work.[/quote]

Ah is a former All-Pro and is a proven NFL commodity.
Thomas and Kelly are unproven players fighting to make the final roster, much less be a starter.
Thomas and Kelly are third string because of their inability to stay on the field (healthy) and their inconstant play on the field. Not because they are trying to get them more playing time. It is refreshing that Shanahan is going to make them earn their roster spot. Unlike Cerrato's old style of reserving spots for under performing high draft picks. Our roster will be better top to bottom under Shanahan and Allen.
At this point I don't really care if Thomas and Kelly make it or not. It is time to move on if they are not going to be consistent producers on the regular season playing field.