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[quote=GMScud;756143]but you know football, right? I mean, this team is going 14-2 this year.... Oh wait...[/quote]

You know what's crazy? He already had us losing to the Titans in his 14-2 prediction this summer.

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Hey Ace you're alright with me man. I wanted Moss too. I like the fact that you stick to your guns, your posts run a little lengthy sometimes but shit I read most of this while I'm at work so it helps pass the time. It's funny how we cry all day about how we don't have weapons but we don't want to take a chance on a guy when he's out there. Why ? Because we always think the worst, I mean we're Redskins fans if we don't think that every decision is a mistake then we don't know football right ? We'd just be drinking the kool-aid, believing the hype, or sucking the tit of The Danny. I wanted Moss and he didn't get here...oh well.

On to next week I guess.

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I would have liked to have gotten him. The one thing McNabb does with ANY accuracy is throw the deep ball...........and remind me again, what does Randy like to run? What route is his bread and butter? What route would stretch the field, and thin out the coverage for Santana and Cooley? Who could give our running game a hand, especially when our Line couldnt block a frikkin blow up doll?

This was a low risk, high reward scenario if there ever was one, and in the worst case, he gets here and was the head case we all know he can be, then we bench his ass, and get a 4th or 5th round pick, FOR FREE basically, for the trouble.

Wrong move Shanny, but I should expect nothing less from a guy that lies out of his arse about McNabb not being in shape to run a 2 minute offense, just to put Rex FVCKIN Grossman in the game.

Really sick and tired of all the blind faith in this man. I think we all expected our defense to suffer a bit when he took the reigns, but WORST IN THE LEAGUE?? Gimme a break. If not for the turnovers, we are 2-6. We are a VERY lucky 4-4, and in my opinion, will only win 3 more games this season if Shanahan doesn't shore up that o-line and run defense.

I think its about to get ridiculous for the second half of the season.

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I don't think fans expressing their dissatisfaction with the Skins Front Office about passing on a hall of fame WR that was put in their lap is going off the deep end.
Especially when you mortgage the future for an aging QB to make the playoffs now and WR is a glaring position of need.

If any team needed Randy Moss right now...it was the Skins.
Fans have a right to be pissed. Especially since we were so hopeful that Shanny was an amazing coach and Allen was an incredible GM.

The blinders all suddenly off now...blind faith is now gone due to Shanny's ridiculous behavior this week and we are all shocked to realize what many said about him is true...the same goes for McNabb...although I think none of us had the beer goggles on thinking Haslett was amazing.

Even though I predicted 7-9, I was hopeful for future years due to the new FO structure.
The way it is looking, this may take longer than I thought since Shanny obviously wants a different QB and is also unwilling to be able to manage star players with egos anywhere close to his own. (yet they signed Larry Johnson)

This whole thing seems to be about Shanny's ego...McNabb, Haynesworth, Portis.

So many of you that say you are glad to not have Randy Moss may be right...for one reason...I don't think Shanny had the ability to coach Randy Moss without pissing him off too.

That is sad...I thought Shanny is some sort of coaching Guru?
Last I knew...coaching was more than X's and O's....it involves MOTIVATING players, individual players with individual personalities...

Ask yourself this question...why is it the star players that Shanny tends to piss off?
Interesting huh?
Does Shanny need ALL the attention?
Sheesh!

And regarding another post...I would think Gibbs would give Randy Moss a shot in this situation...he is extremely competitive and would want a playoff run and he would be one of the few coaches that would be able to make Moss happy and want to play his guts out for him.

It is just a shame that Shanny does not have that ability or desire.

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McNabb has not been all that accurate on his deep throws this year, Armstrong and Moss have both done excellent jobs adjusting to passes

If not for turnovers we'd be 2-6 is like saying if Blackwood doesn't slip and fail to tackle Riggins we lose SB XVII. Blackwood didn't tackle Riggins and we did get turnovers. Why? Because Riggo stiff-armed Blackwood and we made plays to get the ball. These things weren't accidents that were gift-wrapped to us. Give our guys some credit. And stop calling it luck

Randy Moss wouldn't have really done much for our OL woes, and nothing for our run defense

Randy Moss is most likely a sure-fire 1st ballot HOF, but this isn't 2002. Where he'll be 5 years after he retires has nothing to do with what he can contribute now

And on and on...

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[quote=SmootSmack;756165]McNabb has not been all that accurate on his deep throws this year, Armstrong and Moss have both done excellent jobs adjusting to passes

If not for turnovers we'd be 2-6 is like saying if Blackwood doesn't slip and fail to tackle Riggins we lose SB XVII. Blackwood didn't tackle Riggins and we did get turnovers. Why? Because Riggo stiff-armed Blackwood and we made plays to get the ball. These things weren't accidents that were gift-wrapped to us. Give our guys some credit. And stop calling it luck

Randy Moss wouldn't have really done much for our OL woes, and nothing for our run defense

Randy Moss is most likely a sure-fire 1st ballot HOF, but this isn't 2002. Where he'll be 5 years after he retires has nothing to do with what he can contribute now

And on and on...[/quote]


Why do you think the team showed little or no interest in obtaining his services?

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[quote=SmootSmack;756165]McNabb has not been all that accurate on his deep throws this year, Armstrong and Moss have both done excellent jobs adjusting to passes

If not for turnovers we'd be 2-6 is like saying if Blackwood doesn't slip and fail to tackle Riggins we lose SB XVII. Blackwood didn't tackle Riggins and we did get turnovers. Why? Because Riggo stiff-armed Blackwood and we made plays to get the ball. These things weren't accidents that were gift-wrapped to us. Give our guys some credit. And stop calling it luck

Randy Moss wouldn't have really done much for our OL woes, and nothing for our run defense

Randy Moss is most likely a sure-fire 1st ballot HOF, but this isn't 2002. Where he'll be 5 years after he retires has nothing to do with what he can contribute now

And on and on...[/quote]

I don't know what on and on means...but my point is this.
I think many here believe that not putting a claim in for Moss was a mistake.
It looks to me that about 75% of folks wanted him.
It is easy to say ...well those grapes were probably sour after the fact....but don't be suprised if a few are pissed when we miss on a talent that could help us fight for a playoff chance.

Note:
I agree about Moss/Armstrong/McNabb/oline/Moss being older/run defense.
However, we have had some luck this year with other teams self destructing that contributed to wins, but we lost the Texans game due to the ball hitting the uprights...everything evens out in the end and you end up with the record you deserve...we are a 500 team right now because we are playing like that, if not for turnovers, we'd obviously be worse off. You just can't count on a positive turnover ratio to get you into the playoffs...I'd rather earn the yards than hope we can continue to miraculously steal them.

But I do think passing on Moss was a mistake. I think many agree

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[quote=Longtimefan;756167]Why do you think the team showed little or no interest in obtaining his services?[/quote]

Honestly. I don't know. I get the feeling that they really do like Galloway because they feel that he's a veteran that won't get in the way of the progress of Armstrong whereas maybe Moss might? I don't know, just guessing. Personally I would have dropped Galloway a long time ago, regardless of picking up Moss. I think adding Moss could have helped in the interim, but we're not a worse team by not signing him. Guess the attention turns back to V Jax in the spring.

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I don't know how getting an old receiver is really going to help our team, especially when he quits on plays. You can say the Viks were a more talented team than us, and Moss gave them no help at all. I could see a player like Moss not mesh well in a town like DC. The media is super critical and will not gel with him at all and the team in struggling. I doubt Moss would get a ton of chances to make big plays bc the OL wont give McNabb more than 3 seconds to throw the ball. Moss will get more frustrated and just tank.

We would would have to eat the rest of his contract, for a gamble where the odds are strongly against us. I just don't understand this at all. Why do three quarters of the fans here think he is going to help our passing game if Moss is primarily a deep route kind of guy? He isn't fit for the screen game(only kind of play that the OL could possibly block for) and he is not going to help blocking while he gets open.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756170]Honestly. I don't know. I get the feeling that they really do like Galloway because they feel that he's a veteran that won't get in the way of the progress of Armstrong whereas maybe Moss might? I don't know, just guessing. Personally I would have dropped Galloway a long time ago, regardless of picking up Moss. I think adding Moss could have helped in the interim, but we're not a worse team by not signing him. Guess the attention turns back to V Jax in the spring.[/quote]

Your way of thinking coincides with mine. After lasting all of four games with the Vikes, Brad Childress classified Moss as "A programmatic - non-fit".

With all the distractions we already have going on, the team needing to refocus for the second half of the season, another volatile personality added to the mix at this time just might not be the best way to proceed.

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[quote=Longtimefan;756167]Why do you think the team showed little or no interest in obtaining his services?[/quote]

The same reason 31 other teams passed on him. Tennessee was the only team to put in a waiver claim.

He takes more plays off than not. He has talent but is lazy on the field and doesn't use it most plays. He has a mouth without an off-button. Criminal record. The list goes on.

He's a VERY HIGH RISK, little chance of big reward guy. Could he win you games? Absolutely? Could he ruin your season? More than likely.

Tennessee is desperate, their only really productive WR is injured. Nate Washington can't carry the load himself. They're still in contention but in an extremely tough division with Indy, Houston and a Jags team that shows up for big games (only).

Sure we could use a WR and if he was picked up by the team, I'd be excited for his POTENTIAL and the attention he'd draw from our opponents' defenses, freeing up our better Moss for even more success. Fletcher would have to work hard to keep him in line and odds are, with Shanahan's no-nonsense approach, things would go south by the end of the year.

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I voted yes. I rued when we passed on him. But seriously, is it the end of the Skins season? I doubt it. Shanahan and Allen both have said that they have a plan in place. I don't imagine that included Moss being waived 2 times in one year. Could they have altered their plan sure, but is it a must do? Apparently not for us or 20 other teams in the league.

I am done rueing, but can't yet say I am thrilled we didn't take him. For me it's a bummer, but Let's Go Skins!

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[quote=Buster;756182]The same reason 31 other teams passed on him. Tennessee was the only team to put in a waiver claim.

He takes more plays off than not. He has talent but is lazy on the field and doesn't use it most plays. He has a mouth without an off-button. Criminal record. The list goes on.

He's a VERY HIGH RISK, little chance of big reward guy. Could he win you games? Absolutely? Could he ruin your season? More than likely.

Tennessee is desperate, their only really productive WR is injured. Nate Washington can't carry the load himself. They're still in contention but in an extremely tough division with Indy, Houston and a Jags team that shows up for big games (only).

Sure we could use a WR and if he was picked up by the team, I'd be excited for his POTENTIAL and the attention he'd draw from our opponents' defenses, freeing up our better Moss for even more success. Fletcher would have to work hard to keep him in line and odds are, with Shanahan's no-nonsense approach, things would go south by the end of the year.[/quote]

It would be very hard for anyone who has observed Moss closely over the years to disagree with your assertion. Talented but problematic.

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Tennessee could care less if he scored 0 touchdowns. They(and Chris Johnson fantasy owners) just needed someone to open things up for Chris Johnson.

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[quote=Longtimefan;756192]It would be very hard for anyone who has observed Moss closely over the years to disagree with your assertion. Talented but problematic.[/quote]

Absolutely still talented, just look at that one-handed TD catch on Revis this year. I've never seen anyone catch a ball like that before, it was incredible.

However, that was probably one of just a handful of plays he actually put any effort in.

[YT]GS887SfqBik[/YT]

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[quote=SmootSmack;756165]McNabb has not been all that accurate on his deep throws this year, Armstrong and Moss have both done excellent jobs adjusting to passes

If not for turnovers we'd be 2-6 is like saying if Blackwood doesn't slip and fail to tackle Riggins we lose SB XVII. Blackwood didn't tackle Riggins and we did get turnovers. Why? Because Riggo stiff-armed Blackwood and we made plays to get the ball. These things weren't accidents that were gift-wrapped to us. Give our guys some credit. And stop calling it luck

Randy Moss wouldn't have really done much for our OL woes, and nothing for our run defense

Randy Moss is most likely a sure-fire 1st ballot HOF, but this isn't 2002. Where he'll be 5 years after he retires has nothing to do with what he can contribute now

And on and on...[/quote]

It's amazing what logic does for you.

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[quote=Buster;756214]Absolutely still talented, just look at that one-handed TD catch on Revis this year. I've never seen anyone catch a ball like that before, it was incredible.

However, that was probably one of just a handful of plays he actually put any effort in.

[YT]GS887SfqBik[/YT][/quote]

Meanwhile back in Cinci, T.O. is quietly racking up talented TD's of his own. And no drama I might add. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo_Pb8mo05I]YouTube - Week 8 2010 - Terrell Owen's Halloween Gift[/ame]

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Coach Fisher, this is you in a month:

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[quote=44ever;756233]Meanwhile back in Cinci, T.O. is quietly racking up talented TD's of his own. And no drama I might add. [/quote]

None in Cinci, but he did take a shot at McNabb on the TOcho Show this week

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[quote=jdlea;756247]None in Cinci, but he did take a shot at McNabb on the TOcho Show this week[/quote]

My point is we are fine without T.O. We are fine without Moss. Both of them are great talented receivers. We had a shot at both of them and passed. I don't think it really matters in the big picture of things as far as the Skins future is concerned.

Everyone was against T.O. because they were scared of the locker room distractions. Moss fills the same argument IMO.

It would have been fun and exciting to have either on our team IMO. But neither is a make or break for the Skins. At this point I think the best we can hope for at this point is that DM comes back on fire and that he and Shanny really have "put things behind them".

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[quote=44ever;756251]My point is we are fine without T.O. We are fine without Moss. Both of them are great talented receivers. We had a shot at both of them and passed. I don't think it really matters in the big picture of things as far as the Skins future is concerned.

Everyone was against T.O. because they were scared of the locker room distractions. Moss fills the same argument IMO.

It would have been fun and exciting to have either on our team IMO. But neither is a make or break for the Skins. At this point I think the best we can hope for at this point is that DM comes back on fire and that he and Shanny really have "put things behind them".[/quote]

Where are the Art Monk's of today? Classy/awesome WR's, will there ever be one again? It seems that 80% of WR's today are ****ing DIVAS.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;756253]Where are the Art Monk's of today? Classy/awesome WR's, will there ever be one again? It seems that 80% of WR's today are ****ing DIVAS.[/quote]

Funny I was thinking the same thing while writing my last post. Except Jerry Rice came to mind. But Monk was pure [B]CLASS[/B]!!!!
You're so right about the Prima WR's these days.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;756201]Tennessee could care less if he scored 0 touchdowns. They(and Chris Johnson fantasy owners) just needed someone to open things up for Chris Johnson.[/quote]


The last three teams [including Tenn.] that have sought the services of Moss were all positioned differently than the Redskins. They all had/have SB aspirations. Their gamble on him demonstrates the extent some teams will go to accomplish their goal.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;756253]Where are the Art Monk's of today? Classy/awesome WR's, will there ever be one again? It seems that 80% of WR's today are ****ing DIVAS.[/quote]

The ones that come to mind:
Andre Johnson, big results, very little to say - that's why he's the best.
Larry Fitzgerald - not far behind JOhnson if at all & he's a very cerebral dude.
Heinz Ward - plays like the posse used to, tough, gets yac, blocks.
Anquan Boldin - I know he wanted out of Arizona but he played well & kept quiet for the most part even when unhappy w/his contract.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;756253][B]Where are the Art Monk's of today?[/B] Classy/awesome WR's, will there ever be one again? It seems that 80% of WR's today are ****ing DIVAS.[/quote]

I'd say Andre Johnson is in the same boat as Monk. Very quiet, humble from all accounts, but he always comes to play and he is very consistent at being a playmaker. Did anybody see him hobble back on the field against the Colts after his ankle injury flare up? He took a play off (mandated), probably got a shot or something, and then was right back in there because it was the Texans' most important drive of the game. I'd love to have him on my team.

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SFRedskins, that's an easy statement to make but there are a ton of class WRs but the media focuses on the problem ones. Larry Fitz, C. Johnson, A. Johnson(see the E60 piece), Boldin, both Steve Smiths, Roddy White, most of the Saints WRs, S. Moss, Hines Ward, Hakeem Nicks, etc.

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i'll tell you who's more upset than us we didnt sign Moss are texans fans.Their wr corp is not that good beside johnson,and he's not healthy.But the worst part is you let him go to a team thats your division rival and you still play 2 times this season

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[quote=hooskins;756262]SFRedskins, that's an easy statement to make but there are a ton of class WRs but the media focuses on the problem ones. Larry Fitz, C. Johnson, A. Johnson(see the E60 piece), Boldin, both Steve Smiths, Roddy White, most of the Saints WRs, S. Moss, Hines Ward, Hakeem Nicks, etc.[/quote]

I knew of those guys and was lazy to go through those names, they still only make about 20% of WR out there.

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Thanks a lot MonkFan4Life and those who saw my side of this.
I appreciate that a bunch.

We'll just have to tough it out and hope somebody steps up the 2nd 1/2 of the season I guess...

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[quote=aceinthehouse;756285]Thanks a lot MonkFan4Life and those who saw my side of this.
I appreciate that a bunch.

We'll just have to tough it out and hope somebody steps up the 2nd 1/2 of the season I guess...[/quote]

I saw your side I just didn't agree

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[quote=aceinthehouse;756285]Thanks a lot MonkFan4Life and those who saw my side of this.
I appreciate that a bunch.

We'll just have to tough it out and hope somebody steps up the 2nd 1/2 of the season I guess...[/quote]

If I could say, it's not as much "seeing your side", as it is the extremeness of your points of view. Certainly you are entitled to your opinion, and to express it here, but if you are going to proclaim loudly that we have all the talent and coaching to go 14-2, and then turn around and proclaim that the season is lost and throw the bums out, then you have to understand that you are going to get called on that.

SS pointed out the irony that you had us losing to Tennessee at the beginning of the season, but now that they got RM, and we have to play them, that means we are going to lose to them.

Also, it's not like you said, I think we will go 14-2, in a prediction thread, and just threw it out there. You defended it in several long, and cogent, posts. That just makes everyone so much more aware of the dichotomy of you going to such a negative stance.

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SFRedskins. 80 percent of stats are made up on the spot. Seriously though, I do think your numbers are off. If we went through all WRs in the NFL I would say almost all of them are NOT "divas". Better yet, list the divas.

I have TO, Chad Ochocinco, Dez Bryant, R. Moss and possibly V Jackson(a stretch). Who else?

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I will give you Eddie Royal too.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;756285]Thanks a lot MonkFan4Life and those who saw my side of this.
I appreciate that a bunch.

We'll just have to tough it out and hope somebody steps up the 2nd 1/2 of the season I guess...[/quote]

Maybe it will dawn on your immense "knowledge" that the distribution element of the means of production is the larger problem here. It doesn't matter if you have the sexiest mailbox ever if the poor postman is always shot before he can come to your door.

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[quote=hooskins;756302]SFRedskins. 80 percent of stats are made up on the spot. Seriously though, I do think your numbers are off. If we went through all WRs in the NFL I would say almost all of them are NOT "divas". Better yet, list the divas.

I have TO, Chad Ochocinco, Dez Bryant, R. Moss and possibly V Jackson(a stretch). Who else?[/quote]

I think he was speaking of current [U]superstar quality[/U] WR's. Seems like the very best ones are Divas was the point. The guys you listed are some of the best of the best.

Monk was able to play at a HOF level and still do it with class. There are no Monks out there.

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Though Moss would have been a nice acquisition, IMO, he is a only short term solution.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;756253]Where are the Art Monk's of today? Classy/awesome WR's, will there ever be one again? It seems that 80% of WR's today are ****ing DIVAS.[/quote]

Exactly! Look at the class of receivers today, Moss, T.O., Vincent Jackson, Santonio Holmes, Donte' Stallworth, and the list goes on. I guess I got spoiled watching receivers like Monk, Rice, Sterling Sharpe, Chris Carter, James Lofton, etc. Those receivers played the game with class.

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Look at the bright side: Now you don't have a lot of Redskins users in Madden.

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I think if there were blogs twitter etc back then you'd find that many if the receivers you think were all class back in the day, in fact I know so. Everyones human. There are more good top WRs (meaning good people) than not. Even TO and Ochocinco aren't really bad humans. Yes they can grate on you, but neither has ever had any real issues outside if football that break the law or damage the integrity of the shield

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[quote=SmootSmack;756318]I think if there were blogs twitter etc back then you'd find that many if the receivers you think were all class back in the day, in fact I know so. Everyones human. There are more good top WRs (meaning good people) than not. Even TO and Ochocinco aren't really bad humans. Yes they can grate on you, but neither has ever had any real issues outside if football that break the law or damage the integrity of the shield[/quote]

Well said and good point Smoot. I don't think anyone actually hates these guys personally tho. At least I hope not. Personally I'm a big TO fan. I like his antics. But Monk was special and it would be nice to have a player like him in todays game.

I guess it's just the times we live in. Seems there is no loyalty anymore but that even goes beyond players anymore. This part of the game has passed me up I guess.