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[quote=Duffman003;778905]"Washington RedskinsRecord: 6-10* Cam Newton, QB, Auburn
A gifted athlete, Newton has good arm strength and size, has developing accuracy and continues to show that the more you ask him as a passer, the more he'll develop. This spot might be a bit high based on his current grade in the eyes of scouts, but Newton's skill-set is such that personnel people are going to become more enamored, if they already aren't. Newton has character questions that need to be answered, but the Redskins have a long-term need at this position and the prospect of developing Newton is a tantalizing one."

I feel like Cam Newton has bust written all over him.[/quote]

I'll defer to Shanahan on this one. He's different than JC. Most, if not all the scouts weren't high on JC. They didn't feel he was 1st round material. They thought he had a chance to be an ok NFL qb, but he was a major project. Most scouts are fairly high on Cam. I haven't really seen him all that much but seems to have some pretty good passing skills. Not saying we should pick him but if MS see something I'm ok w/ it.

He saw something in Jay Cutler and he's pretty good and getting better.

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Ok, here's my take of redskins priorities for the draft, 1st and 2nd round.
1. Quarterback - only if Shanahan can find a quarterback to bet his career on it because that's what he'll be doing.

2. Linebacker (outside/inside) - I understand the popular thinking with prioritizing the line of scrimmage on both offense and defense, which is why linebacker is one of my highest priority in a 3-4 defense. In addition to exerting control on the line of scrimmage, a 3-4 linebacker has the most defensive responsibilities and is the position that the 3-4 defense is centralized on (hence 4 versus 3 linebackers).

3. Guard - while this position should only be addressed in the 2nd round, this should be a redskins priority in the draft rather than in free agency in order to infuse youthful skills and hopefully some future long-term consistency along the offensive line. And while some consider the need to replace Jamal Brown, I believe in the old adage for the offensive line: "only as strong as your weakest link" and Brown is not the weakest.

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[quote=warriorzpath;778998]Ok, here's my take of redskins priorities for the draft, 1st and 2nd round.
1. Quarterback - only if Shanahan can find a quarterback to bet his career on it because that's what he'll be doing.

2. Linebacker (outside/inside) - I understand the popular thinking with prioritizing the line of scrimmage on both offense and defense, which is why linebacker is one of my highest priority in a 3-4 defense. In addition to exerting control on the line of scrimmage, a 3-4 linebacker has the most defensive responsibilities and is the position that the 3-4 defense is centralized on (hence 4 versus 3 linebackers).

3. Guard - while this position should only be addressed in the 2nd round, this should be a redskins priority in the draft rather than in free agency in order to infuse youthful skills and hopefully some future long-term consistency along the offensive line. And while some consider the need to replace Jamal Brown, I believe in the old adage for the offensive line: "only as strong as your weakest link" and Brown is not the weakest.[/quote]

I agree with this with the exception of #3. I think that drafting a guard in the second round is a reach. Shanny has been able to find good guards in rounds 3-5 in past drafts. I know guard is an area of need, but I would rather address this through free agency.

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[quote=SkinzWin;779034]I agree with this with the exception of #3. I think that [B]drafting a guard in the second round is a reach[/B]. Shanny has been able to find good guards in rounds 3-5 in past drafts. I know guard is an area of need, but I would rather address this through free agency.[/quote]

I really think the only positions that can be counted out in early rounds are kicker & punter. Even then, I recall Chip Lohmiller as a 2nd round pick back in the day & he won a lot of games for us. That was when this team had great personel acquisition & FO mgmt.

With that said, a guard in the top 15 picks would have to be as good or better than Steve Hutchinson, but if the best player on the board is a guard & you know you need 1 or 2, I don't see it as a reach at all. This team just better make sure it isn't wrong on these first 2 picks.

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[quote=juskins;777612]He's not that impressive. That would be,IMHO, a wasted pick.[/quote]

Agreed, Locker reeks of Jeff George or Patrick Ramsay futility. All the physical tools for the job but can't get it done for a win.. PASS

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[quote=chrishanburgerHOF;778907]Please pick Prince Amurakura from NE. He'll be our best CB since Champ.[/quote]

I'd rather have Patrick Peterson from LSU if we go CB but he'll be long gone.

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[quote=bigmarley4;778898]Mel Kiper's 1st Mock Draft is out, has us taking Cam at #10:

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/insider/news/story?page=KiperMockDraft1.0]2011 NFL Mock Draft: Mel Kiper looks at what could be a wild first round - ESPN[/url][/quote]

I appreciate Mel knowledge and perspective...but his mock drafts usually not close. I think alot of teams blow smoke trying to be deceptive when they give him info...last year he got right only 2 of the 32 first round picks.

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[quote=Chico23231;779138]I appreciate Mel knowledge and perspective...but his mock drafts usually not close. I think alot of teams blow smoke trying to be deceptive when they give him info...last year he got right only 2 of the 32 first round picks.[/quote]

Only 2? But he's a genius right?

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[quote=Chico23231;779138]I appreciate Mel knowledge and perspective...but his mock drafts usually not close. I think alot of teams blow smoke trying to be deceptive when they give him info...last year he got right only 2 of the 32 first round picks.[/quote]
To me his accuracy isn't a big deal. He's trying to project team needs, player rank, etc

One team, trade, etc can throw off the whole thing

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[quote=tryfuhl;779143]To me his accuracy isn't a big deal. He's trying to project team needs, player rank, etc

One team, trade, etc can throw off the whole thing[/quote]

Well yeah, thats why im so excited about him saying we take Cam.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;779139]Only 2? But he's a genius right?[/quote]

He got 8 right, including the first 6 overall

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[quote=SmootSmack;779160]He got 8 right, including the first 6 overall[/quote]

he did? curse you steve czaben!!!

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[quote=Chico23231;779162]he did? curse you steve czaben!!![/quote]

Maybe Czaban was talking about his first mock? I mean I'm sure Kiper may change his opinion several times between now and April as more info comes in

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[quote=Redskin Jim;779105]Agreed, Locker reeks of Jeff George or Patrick Ramsay futility. All the physical tools for the job but can't get it done for a win.. PASS[/quote]
Jake Locker played on an absolutly terrible team. Anyone that watchs the games will see that his offensive line is the horrible and his recievers get no seperation. He does not compare to either Jeff George, he has all the intangibles, or Patrick Ramsey, he runs a 4.4 forty and has a rocket for an arm. Ramsey ran a 5 second forty at best and looked like he was wearing concrete shoes. Locker is a QB that has the, feet the arm, the leadership and the desire to be a great QB.

I would be shocked if Shannahan passes him up, if he is there. He is an exact match to what Shannahan likes in a QB. I would like to see us sign Marc Bulger and let him work behind him for two or three years and let him develop like Aron Rogers did.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;779172]Jake Locker played on an absolutly terrible team. Anyone that watchs the games will see that his offensive line is the horrible and his recievers get no seperation. He does not compare to either Jeff George, he has all the intangibles, or Patrick Ramsey, he runs a 4.4 forty and has a rocket for an arm. Ramsey ran a 5 second forty at best and looked like he was wearing concrete shoes. Locker is a QB that has the, feet the arm, the leadership and the desire to be a great QB.

I would be shocked if Shannahan passes him up, if he is there. He is an exact match to what Shannahan likes in a QB. I would like to see us sign Marc Bulger and let him work behind him for two or three years and let him develop like Aron Rogers did.[/quote]

I agree with everything you just said EXCEPT Bulger, he's old and a backup at best now.. Rex is the guy next yr might as well accept it.. Plus Marc is supposedly going to oakland

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Kiper is the best. What a great guy. He's the same in person (and over the phone) talking to the average joe about the draft. I'll buy his publication again this year to show support..

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[quote=SmootSmack;779164]Maybe Czaban was talking about his first mock? I mean I'm sure Kiper may change his opinion several times between now and April as more info comes in[/quote]

I dont think so, pretty sure it was his final mock...not the first time ive heard wrong info from the morning show. It was just shocking stat...should have known better. Kiper is the man, but I really like the dynamic Espn created between McShay and Kiper, good format and they mix it up well.

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[quote=Chico23231;779183]I dont think so, pretty sure it was his final mock...not the first time ive heard wrong info from the morning show. It was just shocking stat...should have known better. Kiper is the man, but I really like the dynamic Espn created between McShay and Kiper, good format and they mix it up well.[/quote]

Yeah, they're wrong then. Kiper had 8 right and I think McShay might have had 9 in their final mocks

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I think the better approach to evaluating film, especially with a qb, would be: to NOT ONLY watch highlights but also look at he does from play to play in a game and also watch the situational plays that are critical to winning like redzone or plays with blitzes. How does the qb handle himself then?

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[quote=warriorzpath;779254]I think the better approach to evaluating film, especially with a qb, would be: to NOT ONLY watch highlights but also look at he does from play to play in a game and also watch the situational plays that are critical to winning like redzone or plays with blitzes. How does the qb handle himself then?[/quote]

Crucial. Youtube highlights tend to showcase only the good plays. To see the troublesome plays, you need to watch the game in its natural flow.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/36183/no-secret-vikings-plan-to-draft-a-qb]No secret: Vikings plan to draft a QB - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]

Maybe we can trade down to 12 and pick up another 2nd from Min..

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If we decide to go defense in round 1, I've got a few theories after watching film.
Over-hyped:
Aldon Smith - Don't see it with him. Sure he's a freakish athlete, but it ends there.
J.J. Watt - This guy is as slow as they come. Nothing stands out at all. Did I mention he's slow?
Cameron Hayward - Underwhelming with everything he does. Gives up on plays, isn't great on the rush.. Don't like him
Da'Quan Bowers - Way too much time spent doing nothing. He did have a breakout year, but he wasn't anything special last year. I wouldn't draft him top 7.

Future Stars (My Opinion):
Ryan Kerrigan - This guy is Clay Matthews. He out muscles his opponents, never quits, stands out in every game. Taking him at #10 will pay huge dividends to us later.
Von Miller - Beast. Has a great pass rush, but an even better ability to make a big tackle.
Prince Amukamara - If He falls we can't pass him up. Patrick Peterson is without a doubt the better corner, but Amukamara is being overlooked as the "2nd best corner". He's a future shutdown corner with ability to tackle in the box.

My targets:
#1 Blaine Gabbert
#2 Prince Amukamara
#3 Ryan Kerrigan
#4 Von Miller
#5 Jake Locker

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/613595-2011-nfl-draft-a-surprising-late-round-savior-for-the-washington-redskins]2011 NFL Draft: A Surprising Late Round Savior For The Washington Redskins | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=Longtimefan;786469][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/613595-2011-nfl-draft-a-surprising-late-round-savior-for-the-washington-redskins]2011 NFL Draft: A Surprising Late Round Savior For The Washington Redskins | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Who's not looking at the kid...

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i think we should take a hard look at stephen paea. he is a beastly nose tackle from oregon state. 6-1 310, mid 1st round projection now, but his stock will surely rise. 49 reps of 225 at the combine. we need a nose tackle.

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[quote=Big C;786472]i think we should take a hard look at stephen paea. he is a beastly nose tackle from oregon state. 6-1 310, mid 1st round projection now, but his stock will surely rise. 49 reps of 225 at the combine. we need a nose tackle.[/quote]

He may be able to play NT but it looks like he's a better fit as a 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT. I think he'd definitely be an upgrade over what we currently have.

I'm all for taking the Nebraska kicker. He would instantly be probably the best kicker in D.C. well... ever.

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[quote=diehard;786470]Who's not looking at the kid...[/quote]

Those with a proven kicker.....some of them may be looking when you're talking about a guy considered the best kicker in NCAA history.

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I still don't see how people view Paea as a NT, he's 6'1 310. You have to be heavier for NT, plus I've watched some film on him and he can be single blocked by other Pac 10 OLineman, if thats the case, what will happen when he gets to the NFL? a NT is someone who gets double teamed every play, and controls the line of scrimmage. Paea would be engulfed by other centers, he is more of a penetrator than a pusher. Phil Taylor, Jerrell Powe, and Kenrick Ellis are NT's, Paeas a 4-3 DT not a 3-4 guy.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;786613][B]I still don't see how people view Paea as a NT, he's 6'1 310.[/B] You have to be heavier for NT, plus I've watched some film on him and he can be single blocked by other Pac 10 OLineman, if thats the case, what will happen when he gets to the NFL? a NT is someone who gets double teamed every play, and controls the line of scrimmage. Paea would be engulfed by other centers, he is more of a penetrator than a pusher. Phil Taylor, Jerrell Powe, and Kenrick Ellis are NT's, Paeas a 4-3 DT not a 3-4 guy.[/quote]

Why couldn't he put on 20 lbs?

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[quote=Mattyk;786615]Why couldn't he put on 20 lbs?[/quote]

He could but theres putting on 20 lbs and it effecting your game in a positive way, then theres putting on 20lbs and it effects your game in a negative way...Paea would need to put on 30 lbs IMO to be anywhere near NT affective.

Plus he's coming off an injury and supposedly he's injury prone, so I don't really like this guy so..next player please

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Man I just loving the fact we are talking about NT(s). Thats where we need to focus...its pivotal to our success of making 3-4 transition. When it comes to talent at that spot this year, I think much more talent in the NT position than the QB position.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;786617]He could but theres putting on 20 lbs and it effecting your game in a positive way, then theres putting on 20lbs and it effects your game in a negative way...Paea would need to put on 30 lbs IMO to be anywhere near NT affective.

Plus he's coming off an injury and supposedly he's injury prone, so I don't really like this guy so..next player please[/quote]

he'd also need to grow about 2 inches in height. As a 3-4 NT, he would need to be tall enough to see the flow of the play in hopes of redirecting traffic. As a 4-3 DT, he's tall enough as his job would be penetrating into the backfield...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;786617]He could but theres putting on 20 lbs and it effecting your game in a positive way, then theres putting on 20lbs and it effects your game in a negative way...Paea would need to put on 30 lbs IMO to be anywhere near NT affective.

Plus he's coming off an injury and supposedly he's injury prone, so I don't really like this guy so..next player please[/quote]

What about Aubrayo Franklin of the 49ers? The Guy is 6'1 317 and is considered an elite Nose Tackle. Jay Ratliff is also barely over 300 pounds yet he's easily one of the few Cowboys that actually deserved to go to the pro bowl over the course of the last couple years.

Everyone wants Vince Wilfolk but the fact of the matter is that 3-4 teams are having no trouble plugging inplayers that are less then 320 pounds.


[quote=BleedBurgundy;786654]he'd also need to grow about 2 inches in height. As a 3-4 NT, he would need to be tall enough to see the flow of the play in hopes of redirecting traffic. As a 4-3 DT, he's tall enough as his job would be penetrating into the backfield...[/quote]

6'1 is actually an ideal height for a Nose Tackle in todays NFL as Guards and Centers are usually 6'2/6'3. Teams want guys that can get under the pads of these interior players, hence the short-squaty typecast.

Casey Hampton 6'1, Vince Wilfolk 6'2, BJ Raji 6'2, Aubrayo Franklin 6'1, Kelly Gregg 6'0.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;786684]What about Aubrayo Franklin of the 49ers? The Guy is 6'1 317 and is considered an elite Nose Tackle. Jay Ratliff is also barely over 300 pounds yet he's easily one of the few Cowboys that actually deserved to go to the pro bowl over the course of the last couple years.

Everyone wants Vince Wilfolk but the fact of the matter is that 3-4 teams are having no trouble plugging inplayers that are less then 320 pounds.[/quote]

I wouldn't call Franklin elite, but he seems to be one of the lighter true NTs in the league, I would say he's an exception to the typical 3-4 NT. Ratliff thrived in Wade Phillips' version of the 3-4, which we are not running, and now Rob Ryan wants to turn him into a DE.

I would rather for the team to pick up a NT that already has the built to be an NT and learn the position, rather for someone needing to bulk up and learn the position. That's just my personal preference. BJ Raji was already 330ish pounds when the Packers picked him up. Wilfork was also at around 350 I believe when he was drafted. In the end, we need a good player for that position, but I don't want to see a player built for another scheme (i.e. a 4-3 DT) shoved into a 3-4 NT role.

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We have a NT need. Does anyone think AMontgomery could have been a 3-4 NT? I had high hopes for him but his work ethic was rumored poor and I think we signed AH shortly and after and that has worked out....

I can't wait till the future arrives when we have draft picks and are able to complete in the draft process.

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[quote=Dread-Skin;786694]We have a NT need. Does anyone think AMontgomery could have been a 3-4 NT? I had high hopes for him but his work ethic was rumored poor and I think we signed AH shortly and after and that has worked out....

I can't wait till the future arrives when we have draft picks and are able to complete in the draft process.[/quote]

Yeah, it's funny because the guy Montgomery was most often compared to was AH both in terms of talent and work ethic.

But Montgomery had very high hopes for himself, often....emphasis on "high"...and some players can do that and do their jobs, while others get cut

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^ SS what's up bro? Any news on a certain player or players the skins are high on?

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[quote=SmootSmack;786700]Yeah, it's funny because the guy Montgomery was most often compared to was AH both in terms of talent and work ethic.

But Montgomery had very high hopes for himself, often....emphasis on "high"...and some players can do that and do their jobs, while others get cut[/quote]

Ahh that was the problem huh? Or at least a contributing factor.

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Former OKST and Oakland Raiders coach Pat Jones has a radio show here in OKC and he said earlier today that from what he has heard through his sources, SF,and WSH plan on taking a QB in the first round of this draft. He has also mentioned Seattle being rumored as a possible team to move into the top 10 to take a QB. Again this is a former coach in the NFL who is usually pretty good on his predictions.

At this point I think Gabbert goes first then Cam, If we want Locker at 10 I think he will be there.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;786701]^ SS what's up bro? Any news on a certain player or players the skins are high on?[/quote]

It's so unpredictable right now with the labor mess, and add to that Shanallenahan's natural secrecy, that no one can say with any definitiveness what's happening.

That said, here are some rumors

-Want a veteran RB to share the load with Portis
-Want Sidney Rice
-Want Davin Joseph and if JB asks for too much, Ryan Harris
-Rogers is asking for a lot of money. They've been close to an agreement, then not so close, then close again, then not so close. I think ultimately he stays. But that's just my guess
-Keep hearing Quinn at #10, and maybe look to trade into the 1st for Locker late if he slips. Or possibly trade down and get Locker (or another QB: Ponder, McElroy often mentioned). Either way, not really hearing much about Locker at #10 itself. Personally, I think if they want Locker they'd be taking a pretty big gamble by waiting too far down the 1st round

Still, it's so unpredictable right now because teams don't know if they can even act on free agency

I'm curious if Jenkins or Woody would be considered?

Sidenote: I had mentioned a while back that we planned on bringing Matt Bowen back for a follow-up Q&A following the combine. We're going to put that on hold and (hopefully) will have surprise Q&A. I won't say who it is. It won't be a instantly recognizable name. But it's someone who really knows the business and spent time in a key role with the Redskins. It will be different from the usual player Q&As. We've spoken a bit recently, and I think you'll enjoy this one