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Poor Newt. I mean, its getting embarressing now.

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[quote=saden1;849423]You don't have to be that smart to know that any flat tax is regressive towards the lower earners in the income bracket. If I were Cain I would have trouble explaining how the total taxes on goods would be around 17 percent to the largest segment of voters who consume most of their income.



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Well when you pay nothing and then pay something your going to take the largest hit.

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[quote=firstdown;849455]Well when you pay nothing and then pay something your going to take the largest hit.[/quote]

They pay nothing? They already pay sales tax, property taxes, and state income taxes. I mean, it's not their fault that when it's all said and done they make so little income and consume most of their income to live a normal life.

Screwing people who make 40K or less isn't a winning formula and will hardly generate any meaningful income for the government seeing how 16 million of those who pay no taxes are the elderly and the plan calls for no taxes on the elderly at all.

I hear under Cain's plan, Buffet would pay roughly 1% income tax plus a few thousand dollars for his food, lawn maintenance and travel expenses...oh and that big screen TV that will be charged at 17%. LOL...ludicrous!

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[quote=saden1;849518]They pay nothing? They already pay sales tax, property taxes, and state income taxes. I mean, it's not their fault that when it's all said and done they make so little income and consume most of their income to live a normal life.

[B]Screwing people who make 40K or less isn't a winning formula[/B] and will hardly generate any meaningful income for the government seeing how 16 million of those who pay no taxes are the elderly and the plan calls for no taxes on the elderly at all.

I hear under Cain's plan, Buffet would pay roughly 1% income tax plus a few thousand dollars for his food, lawn maintenance and travel expenses...oh and that big screen TV that will be charged at 17%. LOL...[B]ludicrous![/B][/quote]

Screwing seniors was Bill Clinton when he added the tax to SS.

[FONT=Arial]You will have to pay federal taxes on your Social Security benefits if you file a federal tax return as an individual and your total income is more than $25,000. If you file a joint return, you will have to pay taxes if you and your spouse have a total income of more than $32,000.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][I]Use the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Notice 703 shown on the back of the Social Security Benefit Statement[/I], SSA Form 1099, to determine if any of your benefits may be taxable.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Social Security has no authority to withhold state or local taxes from your benefit. Many states and local authorities do not tax Social Security benefits. However, you should contact your state or local taxing authority for more information.[/FONT]

Ludicrous, is the example you used and our current tax system.

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[quote=firstdown;849527]Screwing seniors was Bill Clinton when he added the tax to SS.

[FONT=Arial]You will have to pay federal taxes on your Social Security benefits if you file a federal tax return as an individual and your total income is more than $25,000. If you file a joint return, you will have to pay taxes if you and your spouse have a total income of more than $32,000.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][I]Use the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Notice 703 shown on the back of the Social Security Benefit Statement[/I], SSA Form 1099, to determine if any of your benefits may be taxable.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Social Security has no authority to withhold state or local taxes from your benefit. Many states and local authorities do not tax Social Security benefits. However, you should contact your state or local taxing authority for more information.[/FONT]

Ludicrous, is the example you used and our current tax system.[/quote]

I agree with you...taxing people who have minuscule income that is distributed by the government itself is idiotic.

A lot of people seem to have remarkable faith in the market despite what has transpired the last few years...amazing!

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[quote=saden1;849423]You don't have to be that smart to know that any flat tax is regressive towards the lower earners in the income bracket. If I were Cain I would have trouble explaining how the total taxes on goods would be around 17 percent to the largest segment of voters who consume most of their income.



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Guy is not just a idiot. He's a ****ing idiot. Another rich businessman trying to pass off to the poor/middle class that somehow giving the rich guys a tax break is going to create jobs. One thing you do not want is some ex-corporate asshole who's most likely going to be looking out for corporate America. We've tried that since Reagan's era and look where it's got us. Didn't create shit. Jobs were STILL sent overseas all the while they enjoyed those luxurious tax breaks to make their pockets that much fuller.

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[quote=NC_Skins;849778][B]Guy is not just a idiot. He's a ****ing idiot.[/B] Another rich businessman trying to pass off to the poor/middle class that somehow giving the rich guys a tax break is going to create jobs. One thing you do not want is some ex-corporate asshole who's most likely going to be looking out for corporate America. We've tried that since Reagan's era and look where it's got us. Didn't create shit. Jobs were STILL sent overseas all the while they enjoyed those luxurious tax breaks to make their pockets that much fuller.[/quote]

I'd love to know your def. of an idiot because it seems like he has been pretty successful but I guess any ****ing idiot could accomplish what he has done.

Thats right I'd rather have a career politician that does not no a thing about business that thinks spending a trillion dollars will do something. Then when that fails he decides he now needs to spend another 500 billion to creat those same jobs that he never created with the first trillion.

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[quote=firstdown;849784]I'd love to know your def. of an idiot because it seems like he has been pretty successful but I guess any ****ing idiot could accomplish what he has done.

Thats right I'd rather have a career politician that does not no a thing about business that thinks spending a trillion dollars will do something. Then when that fails he decides he now needs to spend another 500 billion to creat those same jobs that he never created with the first trillion.[/quote]


Well, if you are still trying to peddle the "give us rich folk tax breaks and jobs will come", then that in my definition is a idiot. The bigger idiots actually believe it. It doesn't work, never has, and never will.

Nobody said keeping a career politician is the answer. I'm 100% for term limits to 4 years MAX. I'm 100% for ending any and all corporate (and business) donations to campaigns, and actually making them illegal. I'm 100% getting corporate America out of bed with our politicians, and he's just another asshole trying to keep the status quo.

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See if anybody can make this out...

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Beemn, basically Cain is saying his personal conviction is that he doesn't believe in abortion. He's Pro-life. But nor does he believe, as a matter of policy, the government should be involved with a woman's choice to terminate a pregnancy.

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[quote=saden1;849538]I agree with you...taxing people who have minuscule income that is distributed by the government itself is idiotic.

[B]A lot of people seem to have remarkable faith in the market despite what has transpired the last few years...amazing![/B][/quote]

I have faith that an open and transparent free market that reacts to the general tenets of supply and demand and risk/reward on investments is the best form of economic system and is consistent with democratic/republican government (small d, small r).

At the same time, I would suggest that, w/out proper oversight of the process and private sector, we end up with a market that is not transparent and that does not adequately react to risk/reward. Specifically, when corporations can lose money but the individuals who manage those corporations can still profit, the "free market" does not create a proper check.

I don't really know the answer to this. Corporations, in and of themselves, are not evil any more than money, guns or government are innately evil. Corporations exists as legal entities to allow pooling of resources by protecting individuals within the corporation from personal liability. If not for this protection, business as we know it could not function - no one could gather the capitol necessary to research, innovate or otherwise invest in large capital projects. At the same time, this necessary protection insulates corporate decision makers from everything but outright fraud. Sure, the market punishes the corporation b/c it loses money - but the managers still profit.

Also, I disagree with those who think corporations should not be allowed to contribute to campaigns. Again, corporations as legal "persons" [I]should[/I] be just a funnel for the will of the investors. If they have gathered the resources to lobby for their position, they should be allowed to do so - just as I am free to lobby against and to work with others to create a larger impact.

One of my problem with the "Occupy" movement is that, unlike the the Tea Party, the occupy movement is not actually organizing change it's just pouting about the problem. The Tea Party group - regardless of what you think of their message - organized, worked within the system, and elected numerous people who they believed would effect change. They were effective in that many politicians reflecting the "status quo" were defeated despite being backed by "the machine" (as it were). The Occupy folks have a clear and simple way to effect corporate change - buy in. Buy stocks and organize voting blocks within the corporations. It's hard, it's [I]a lot[/I] of work, it would involve many setbacks, but there is a way for them to effectively change the structure. There is also, of course, the Tea Party route - identify an agenda, find individuals who support that agenda to run against machine politicians, and work like hell to elect those individuals -- or you can just sit in your own stench and whine. I am sure that will be effective too.

Sorry, not sure that this little rant belonged. I am frustrated that: (1) there seems to be no one able to create a cogent, compelling argument for a well regulated free market (meaning regulations that encourage and further the basic tenets of a successful FM, not simpy lots of regulations); (2) the right's answer is generally "government= bad" so regulate almost nothing and tax less; and (3) the left's answer is "free market/business = bad" so implement failed policies reflecting a warmed over neo-socialism.

Blechh. I need to find a mountaintop all my own.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;849852]

One of my problem with the "Occupy" movement is that, unlike the the Tea Party, the occupy movement is not actually organizing change it's just pouting about the problem. The Tea Party group - regardless of what you think of their message - organized, worked within the system, and elected numerous people who they believed would effect change. They were effective in that many politicians reflecting the "status quo" were defeated despite being backed by "the machine" (as it were). The Occupy folks have a clear and simple way to effect corporate change - buy in. Buy stocks and organize voting blocks within the corporations. It's hard, it's [I]a lot[/I] of work, it would involve many setbacks, but there is a way for them to effectively change the structure. There is also, of course, the Tea Party route - identify an agenda, find individuals who support that agenda to run against machine politicians, and work like hell to elect those individuals -- or you can just sit in your own stench and whine. I am sure that will be effective too.7[/quote]

Read my reply in the other threads to what Occupy Wall Street is about. Speaking of Tea Party.....lol

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[quote=NC_Skins;849882]Read my reply in the other threads to what Occupy Wall Street is about. Speaking of Tea Party.....lol[/quote]

I read it - and to quote your response to firstdown: "Nice selective editing".

Do you know if the Tea Party rally in question had a permit? Was acting in conjunction with the appropriate rules and regulations? Were there police/National Guard units on call or outside the vicinity? How about the OWS guy being carted away - Was he blocking traffic? Creating a disruption outside any applicable bounds of any permit? Does it look like any excessive force was being used? Are you asserting that the NYPD is in someway acting inappropriately in its handling of the OWS protestors? Are they being treated differently than any other protestors that show up in downtown Manhattan and encamp [I]en masse[/I] in the middle of one of the world's busiest financial district? If so, how? If they encamped at a big field in "middle america" do you think there would be the same police response as the one provided by the NYPD? .... But you go ahead and compare apples to oranges and call them all bananas - I know that's how you roll.

Yup. The Tea Party got folks elected to public office under threat of violence and the OWS guys are simply victims of "the man". What a nice, typical way for you to oversimpify the issues.

As I said in this thread, I don't have a problem with a lot of the OWS message. Also, as I indicated, regardless of whether you agree with their message, the Tea Party has actually gotten people elected and is having a tangible effect on the legislation being enacted. Meanwhile, the OWS movement is very effectively making a squatter's camp and not much else. One group created an effective grass roots/populist movement that is actually having an effect on the national discussion. The other is pissing in a park.

I don't care which you (or anyone else) supports - I would just suggest that one has taken a practical approach to acheive its goals while the other has not.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9brFXne5F0]Now is the time for action! - Ridiculous Herman Cain Ad - REAL - YouTube[/url]

Thoughts?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;849852]I have faith that an open and transparent free market that reacts to the general tenets of supply and demand and risk/reward on investments is the best form of economic system and is consistent with democratic/republican government (small d, small r).
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What use is having faith in a system if process it operates under is plagued by inequities and thievery for which there's no precaution taken or repercussion for the perpetrators? Saying it's the best system there is or could be is selling yourself short. From too big to fail, to we have a national emergency, to we didn't heed the warnings, to laws in the books that someone paid for that say you can leverage your business 30-1 to insane pension policies. It's all there because someone paid for it. If that's the best system I am all for it so long as I am getting paid. If I am losing I'd like to see and participate in some taring and feathering.


[quote=JoeRedskin;849852]Also, I disagree with those who think corporations should not be allowed to contribute to campaigns. Again, corporations as legal "persons" [I]should[/I] be just a funnel for the will of the investors. If they have gathered the resources to lobby for their position, they should be allowed to do so - just as I am free to lobby against and to work with others to create a larger impact.
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There are legal definitions and then there are abstract definitions and concrete reality. My impression is people are persons, not a collection of people that make decisions on behalf of all the people they employ or all their shareholders. Lobbying is fine so long as it doesn't lead to pay-for-play and quid-pro-quo. Ultimately, the "person" with the most money wins and in this game you're as poor as they come. You're practically an invisible homeless person.

[quote=JoeRedskin;849852]One of my problem with the "Occupy" movement is that, unlike the the Tea Party, the occupy movement is not actually organizing change it's just pouting about the problem. The Tea Party group - regardless of what you think of their message - organized, worked within the system, and elected numerous people who they believed would effect change. They were effective in that many politicians reflecting the "status quo" were defeated despite being backed by "the machine" (as it were). The Occupy folks have a clear and simple way to effect corporate change - buy in. Buy stocks and organize voting blocks within the corporations. It's hard, it's [I]a lot[/I] of work, it would involve many setbacks, but there is a way for them to effectively change the structure. There is also, of course, the Tea Party route - identify an agenda, find individuals who support that agenda to run against machine politicians, and work like hell to elect those individuals -- or you can just sit in your own stench and whine. I am sure that will be effective too.[/quote]

I think they're just getting started...let the engine warm-up before you go on your drive-by.

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[quote=mlmpetert;852102][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9brFXne5F0"]Now is the time for action! - Ridiculous Herman Cain Ad - REAL - YouTube[/URL]

Thoughts?[/quote]

LOL...Is it a joint or a cigarette? I like it...it's authentic though he's doing that thing politicians do with their hand/thumb all the time. Cain's been having a lot of foobar moments lately but I don't think this ad impacts him negatively.

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Occupy movement = whine about anything that cost money.

99% is actually the % of protesters that have never actually earned money to invest in Wall Street.

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[QUOTE=firstdown;852125]Occupy movement = whine about anything that cost money.

[B]99% is actually the % of protesters that have never actually earned money to invest in Wall Street.[[/B]/QUOTE]

That's actually a pretty good line.

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[quote=mlmpetert;852102][url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9brFXne5F0]Now is the time for action! - Ridiculous Herman Cain Ad - REAL - YouTube[/url]

Thoughts?[/quote]

About him smoking? It's legal...next question.

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[quote=saden1;852121]LOL...Is it a joint or a cigarette? I like it...it's authentic though he's doing that thing politicians do with their hand/thumb all the time. Cain's been having a lot of foobar moments lately but I don't think this ad impacts him negatively.[/quote]

[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana]Definitely authentic. At first I thought it was a campaign gaffe, now im not so sure, but regardless it doesn’t matter. Cain’s campaign isn’t funded by Wall Street like Obama’s and Romney’s but he’s still getting tons of attention from an ad that isn’t costing him a thing. He’s running a completely non-traditional campaign and in the process defining himself not as anti-establishment but as the non-establishment choice, which is pretty smart.[/FONT][/FONT]

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[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/25/poll-cain-takes-top-position-perry-falls-to-fifth/?hpt=hp_t2]Poll: Cain takes top position, Perry falls to fifth – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

Perry fallen to 6%? I loving the fact his campaign has become such a joke.....and then there i Bachmann wow 2%

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Wait how can a bunch of raciest throw their support for Cain? Funny how the left is starting to attack him calling him names like uncle tom, token black man, etc.. and they don't think there is anything wrong with attacking a conservative black man.

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^ While not racist this is the nastist interview ive ever seen on a major network. I never liked lawrence odonnell before but now i have zero respect for him. Serisouly why would someone talk to someone like that in a interview? Could you imagine if anyone on Fox or any other network spoke to Obama like this?

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM_9J3mGcYc"]HERMAN CAIN vs LAWRENCE O'DONNELL Round Two - YouTube[/URL]

If there are any Vietnam Vets on this board, do any of you take offense to lawrence's questing? Also worth noting is that lawrence is himself a draft advoider.

[URL="http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/10/msnbcs-draft-dodging-lawrence-odonnell-accused-herman-cain-of-draft-dodging/"]MSNBC’s Draft-Dodging Lawrence O’Donnell Accused Herman Cain of Draft-Dodging | The Lonely Conservative[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;852270]Wait how can a bunch of raciest throw their support for Cain? Funny how the left is starting to attack him calling him names like uncle tom, token black man, etc.. and they don't think there is anything wrong with attacking a conservative black man.[/quote]

ok, ill bite. where did you hear/ see this?

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[quote=mlmpetert;852284]^ While not racist this is the nastist interview ive ever seen on a major network. I never liked lawrence odonnell before but now i have zero respect for him. Serisouly why would someone talk to someone like that in a interview? Could you imagine if anyone on Fox or any other network spoke to Obama like this?

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM_9J3mGcYc"]HERMAN CAIN vs LAWRENCE O'DONNELL Round Two - YouTube[/URL]

If there are any Vietnam Vets on this board, do any of you take offense to lawrence's questing? Also worth noting is that lawrence is himself a draft advoider.

[URL="http://lonelyconservative.com/2011/10/msnbcs-draft-dodging-lawrence-odonnell-accused-herman-cain-of-draft-dodging/"]MSNBC’s Draft-Dodging Lawrence O’Donnell Accused Herman Cain of Draft-Dodging | The Lonely Conservative[/URL][/quote]

Lawrence was alright except for the Vietnam war line of questioning. What's truly nasty is the statements Cain has made about african americans, the unemployed, liberals, muslims and abortion.

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[quote=firstdown;852270]Wait how can a bunch of raciest throw their support for Cain? Funny how the left is starting to attack him calling him names like uncle tom, token black man, etc.. and they don't think there is anything wrong with attacking a conservative black man.[/quote]


You think these people will support him? It's not like she's interviewing people at a Klan rally.

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[quote=dmek25;852395]ok, ill bite. where did you hear/ see this?[/quote]In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
[URL="http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/wheres-the-outrage-over-d-l-hughleys-racist-attack-on-herman-cain/"]Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller[/URL]

TIME magazine
[URL="http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/20/is-herman-cain-the-most-unctuous-black-man-alive/"]Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com[/URL]

on CNN
[URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/democratic-strategist-calls-herman-cain-racist-bigoted-for-saying-blacks-have-been-brainwashed/"]Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com[/URL]

on MSNBC
[URL="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/10/14/bashir-lets-grio-columnist-slam-herman-cain-not-black-enough-second-fr"]MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org[/URL]

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[quote=saden1;852420]You think these people will support him? It's not like she's interviewing people at a Klan rally.

[/quote]What's the point of this video? It's from 2008 and these f-in idiots are too stupid to even know when to vote anyway. No mainstream conservative wants their support.

How about these folks at the CBC conference in DC, I'd say they've got some pretty negative things to say about Cain & Allen West.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IgfkP69AC0"]Congressional Black Caucus Attendees Herman Cain & Allen West Are "Oreos"... - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;852422]In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
[URL="http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/wheres-the-outrage-over-d-l-hughleys-racist-attack-on-herman-cain/"]Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller[/URL]

TIME magazine
[URL="http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/20/is-herman-cain-the-most-unctuous-black-man-alive/"]Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com[/URL]

on CNN
[URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/democratic-strategist-calls-herman-cain-racist-bigoted-for-saying-blacks-have-been-brainwashed/"]Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com[/URL]

on MSNBC
[URL="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/10/14/bashir-lets-grio-columnist-slam-herman-cain-not-black-enough-second-fr"]MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org[/URL][/quote]

Cain is smart and he got what he wanted by making those states about race, he got liberals to bite. I think this sums it up perfectly:

"Herman Cain is trying to get the GOP nomination," Smiley said. "When you're running for the nomination of a Republican Party…these are the kind of statements that you make that play to your base. It's politics."

Ill be interested to see how Cain does in the midwest and south with his rising poll numbers. Race will certainly play a part in GOP numbers in those regions. U can lock that up.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;852422]In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
[URL="http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/wheres-the-outrage-over-d-l-hughleys-racist-attack-on-herman-cain/"]Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller[/URL]

TIME magazine
[URL="http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/20/is-herman-cain-the-most-unctuous-black-man-alive/"]Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com[/URL]

on CNN
[URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/democratic-strategist-calls-herman-cain-racist-bigoted-for-saying-blacks-have-been-brainwashed/"]Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com[/URL]

on MSNBC
[URL="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/10/14/bashir-lets-grio-columnist-slam-herman-cain-not-black-enough-second-fr"]MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org[/URL][/quote]

Am I mistaken or were all these "racist" stuff written/said about him after Herman Cain said "there is no racism in America," "he left the democrat plantation a long time ago," "African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded," "the liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama," "[Obama's] never been a part of the black experience in America," "It is documented that his mother was white and his father was from Africa. If he wants to call himself black, fine. If he wants to call himself African-American, fine."

Do you think these statements he made are acceptable? That they will endear him to African Americans? Make no mistake, as far as I am concernerned it doesn't matter if he's black or white, it does matter that he is pure cunt that's preaching a message of division and hate. That's just me my opinion though, I am sure white conservatives think otherwise...probably because they haven't gone through the brainwashing process yet.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;852423]What's the point of this video? It's from 2008 and these f-in idiots are too stupid to even know when to vote anyway. No mainstream conservative wants their support.

How about these folks at the CBC conference in DC, I'd say they've got some pretty negative things to say about Cain & Allen West.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IgfkP69AC0"]Congressional Black Caucus Attendees Herman Cain & Allen West Are "Oreos"... - YouTube[/URL][/quote]


LOL...come on man, that super gay black guy has a legit reason to want Cain and West to go to hell. When the discussion is about identity crisis we should definitely defer to him.


Look, tea party is partly misunderstood by the Afircan Americans. I say that because when it started it was all about "taking our country back from the scary black muslim socialist welfare giving america destroyer president." Fair or not that stigma is still a stain on the movement because people remember those negative posters at rallies than the positive ones. Some think Cain winning is proof that the movement isn't racist, time will tell.

Now this ad by Cain sure opens my mind and makes me want to vote for him:

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BTW, you want to include Cain into the mix for our bet?

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[quote=saden1;852431]Am I mistaken or were all these "racist" stuff written/said about him after Herman Cain said "there is no racism in America," "he left the democrat plantation a long time ago," "African-Americans have been brainwashed into not being open minded," "the liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama," "[Obama's] never been a part of the black experience in America," "It is documented that his mother was white and his father was from Africa. If he wants to call himself black, fine. If he wants to call himself African-American, fine."[/quote]I think the opinions of Cain and his detractors have remained constant before and after any statements he/they made, they're just hitting the airwaves with his rise in the polls.

[quote]Do you think these statements he made are acceptable? That they will endear him to African Americans? Make no mistake, as far as I am concernerned it doesn't matter if he's black or white, it does matter that he is pure cunt that's preaching a message of division and hate. That's just me my opinion though, I am sure white conservatives think otherwise...probably because they haven't gone through the brainwashing process yet.[/quote]I agree with these:
- liberal establishment is scared a real black man will run against Obama.
Not from a racial perspective, but strictly an election perspective, if Cain attracts even 10 additional percent of black voters in 2012, Obama's done.

- Obama not part of black experience in America. Again not from the racial perspective, but I don't think that most black folks grew up in HI, had experience traveling abroad, went to private school, went to Columbia/Harvard Law.

I'd rather not see any race-baiting on either side and I'm pretty sure most conservatives white/black/brown/yellow would agree. I want this election to strictly be about fixing the major issues our country faces

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[quote=saden1;852436]LOL...come on man, that super gay black guy has a legit reason to want Cain and West to go to hell. When the discussion is about identity crisis we should definitely defer to him.[/quote]LOL

[quote]Look, tea party is partly misunderstood by the Afircan Americans. I say that because when it started it was all about "taking our country back from the scary black muslim socialist welfare giving america destroyer president." Fair or not that stigma is still a stain on the movement because people remember those negative posters at rallies than the positive ones. Some think Cain winning is proof that the movement isn't racist, time will tell.[/quote]A picture is worth a 1000 words is 100% correct, and with any true grassroots movement you've got a few idiot outliers.

Unfortunately, the Tea Party doesn't have the support of the majority of the media in the U.S., which I think have done a great job of playing cut, after cut, after cut, of folks calling the Tea Party racist which just isn't true whether Cain gets the nomination or not.

[quote]Now this ad by Cain sure opens my mind and makes me want to vote for him:[/quote]Didn't you mention in 2008 something about "gloves being off", I guess Cain took his off a little earlier. Not necessarily the most PC ad, but this type of ad was effective in 2002 & 2004.

[url=http://www.lifenews.com/2006/09/13/nat-2583/]African American Businessman Spends 1M to Urge Blacks to Vote Pro-Life | LifeNews.com[/url]

From the link:
"The campaign is a second go-round based on a highly successful Ohio campaign in 2004 that helped President Bush garner 17% of the African American vote in the Buckeye State – double his vote total from the 2000 presidential race."

"Americas PAC’s African American radio strategy “hampered our ability to expand the off-year electorate in 2002," Brazile said."

[quote]BTW, you want to include Cain into the mix for our bet?[/quote]Of course...since Perry $hit the bed.

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[quote=saden1;852419]Lawrence was alright except for the Vietnam war line of questioning. What's truly nasty is the statements Cain has made about african americans, the unemployed, liberals, muslims and abortion.[/quote]


I agree Lawrence's Vietnam remarks were completely out of line, but you think the Civil Rights remarks and questions were okay?

Cain:
[quote]
So, counter to our real feelings, we decided to avoid trouble by moving to the back of the bus when the driver told us to. By that time, the sit-ins and the Freedom Rides had kind of broken the ice, even though things hadn't fully changed. So we saw it every day on TV and read about it in the news. Dad always said, "Stay out of trouble," and we did.

[/quote]

Lawrence:
[quote]Where do you think black people would be sitting on the bus today if Rosa Parks had followed your father's advice?"[/quote]

Additional:
[quote]Cain replied, still not losing his cool, by pointing out that at the time that the anecdote happened, his father was giving advice to a high school aged boy, not an adult like Rosa Parks, for whose courage he was thankful.

O'Donnell then launched into an attack: "Mr. Cain, you were in fact in college from 1963 to 1967, at the height of the Civil Rights Movement, exactly when the most important demonstrations and protests were going on. You could easily as a student at Morehouse between 1963 and 1967 actively participated in the kinds of protests that got African Americans the rights they enjoy today. You watched from that perspective at Moorehouse when you were not participating in those processes. You watched black college students from around the country and white college students from around the country come south AND BE MURDERED, fighting for the rights of African Americans. Do you regret sitting on those sidelines at that time?"

Cain hinted that an illness in his family prevented him from being as involved as he would've liked, which is beside the point.
[/quote]

How about lawrence' questioning Cain's "gratefulness", was that questioning okay?
[quote]"Mr. Cain, what are you grateful to this nation for? You served in the Navy. They paid for you to go get a graduate degree while you were in the Navy. Are you grateful to the government for doing that? Are you grateful to this government for passing the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act?" [/quote]

more:
[URL="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/lawrence-odonnells-offensive-interview-with-herman-cain/246328/"]Lawrence O'Donnell's Offensive Interview with Herman Cain - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic[/URL]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think Cain has said some controversial things some of it perhaps distasteful, but nothing he said was as distasteful and nasty as lawrence odonnells interview with Cain. I also believe the context of anything detestable Cain has said is vastly different then Cain being scolded by a white man for Cain's lack of involvement in the Civil Rights Movements while an adolescent, in addition to the hypocritical and unfounded attack on Cain's patriotism and service to his country, particularly during Vietnam. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Perry is a clown:

When asked by Parade Magazine whether he believed that President Obama was born in the United States, Perry said, "I don't have a definitive answer, because he's never seen my birth certificate," then adding "I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night. ... He doesn't think it's real." When pressed by CNBC the day of the flat tax unveiling, Perry doubled down on the dumb, saying, "It's (birtherism) a good issue to keep alive. It's fun to poke at him."

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;852422]In addition to O'Donnell and Garofalo's statements, not including the liberal blogosphere.....

DL Hughley
[URL="http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/30/wheres-the-outrage-over-d-l-hughleys-racist-attack-on-herman-cain/"]Herman Cain | Racism | Where's the outrage over D.L. Hughley's racist attack on Herman Cain? | The Daily Caller[/URL]

TIME magazine
[URL="http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/20/is-herman-cain-the-most-unctuous-black-man-alive/"]Herman Cain Insults Black Community with Views on Racism | TIME Ideas | TIME.com[/URL]

on CNN
[URL="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/democratic-strategist-calls-herman-cain-racist-bigoted-for-saying-blacks-have-been-brainwashed/"]Democratic Strategist Calls Herman Cain ‘Racist, Bigoted‘ for Saying Blacks Have Been ’Brainwashed’ | Video | TheBlaze.com[/URL]

on MSNBC
[URL="http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2011/10/14/bashir-lets-grio-columnist-slam-herman-cain-not-black-enough-second-fr"]MSNBC's Bashir Again Gives Platform to Columnist Slamming Herman Cain As Self-hating Black Man | NewsBusters.org[/URL][/quote]


A couple others:
[url=http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/congressional-black-caucus-tea-party-racist-allen-west-and-herman-cain-oreos]Congressional Black Caucus: Tea Party racist, Allen West and Herman Cain 'oreos' - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com[/url]

[url=http://themoderatevoice.com/125006/rev-al-sharpton-questions-herman-cains-black-authencity-slams-his-comments-about-unemployment-poverty-by-saying-start-with-your-mama/]Rev. Al Sharpton Questions Herman Cain's "Black Authencity" & Slams His Comments About Unemployment & Poverty by Saying "Start with Your Mama" | The Moderate Voice[/url]

[url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cornel-west-on-cnn-herman-cain-needs-to-get-off-the-symbolic-crack-pipe/]Cornel West On CNN: Herman Cain Needs To ‘Get Off The Symbolic Crack Pipe’ | Mediaite[/url]

[url=http://www.mediaite.com/tv/harry-belafonte-to-joy-behar-herman-cain-is-a-totally-false-bad-apple-in-the-black-community/]Harry Belafonte | Herman Cain Bad Apple | Joy Behar Video | Mediaite[/url]

[url=http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/ed-cain-says-what-white-gopers-want-hear]Schultz says 'break' is a 'southern racist term' | Campaign 2012[/url]

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I generally don't obsess over polls this far out, but one released today shows President Obama leading all GOP candidates in Arizona. The last time a Dem won the state was in 1952.

If that trend holds for another month or two, Republicans will be in full blown panic mode.

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[quote=12thMan;852492]Here's a tool for you gambling types; Intrade's usually a pretty good indicator.

Sliggin, your old lady's gonna kick your ass if she finds out you on Warpath sh*t talking and betting with Saden:)

[URL="http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/"]Intrade Prediction Markets[/URL][/quote]This is a great site, very cool. It shows the 2012 Presidential race basically a toss-up 49 D to 48.5 R.

Nah I'll be OK, I'll just tell her, "what casino could I go to and get 50-50 odds." :cool-smil
Plus when she buys some new UGGs this winter I've got all the cover I need, even on the outside chance I lose.

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I just remembered the whole issue with regards to the AP quoting Obama as saying:

[quote]
"Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."
[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There was an outrage that the AP quoted Obama the way he actually spoke, rather than the grammatically correct way. Literary scholars weighed in on if the AP was correct or not. Many linguistic scholars sided with the AP since Obama doesnt normally speak with a grammatically-incorrect dialect and since he was purposely making a particular point of emphasis in his speach. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I understand that Cain isnt the president, or even the Republican nominee, but while the media was outrage over how the AP quoted Obama the editor of Newsweek was on TV saying “naahn-naahn-naahn” in reference to Cain’s 999 Plan. Jon Stewart has even given an Amos and Andy impression of Cain when impersonating him. Early on left wing media even questioned Cain’s intelligence, I personally believe in part because of his dialect.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Unfortunately there is clearly a double standard about how black politicians should be spoken to and treated depending on their political idenity. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]


[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/associated-press-transcription-obama-cbc-speech-racist-173438340.html"]Was the Associated Press transcription of Obama’s CBC speech ‘racist’? | The Cutline - Yahoo! News[/URL]

[URL="http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20111023/OPINION01/310230022/1110/OPINION03/?odyssey=nav%7Chead"]Carlson: Herman Cain terrifies America's liberals | The Des Moines Register | DesMoinesRegister.com[/URL]

[URL="http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2011/06/29/was-jon-stewart-doing-amos-n-andy-imitation-of-herman-cain/"]Was Jon Stewart doing ‘Amos n Andy’ imitation of Herman Cain? | Radio & TV Talk[/URL]