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[quote=4mrusmc;848247]I haven't posted on here for a while, but I'm pretty pissed-off at this team. I wished that the NFL season got canceled due to the lock-out. I'm sick and tired of this team sucking balls season after season regardless of who the coach is. F this team!!![/quote]

I think I may calm down a bit if I were you. This team is still in rebuilding mode. We are getting better. We may not win the division this year, although we still might. But we will win it in the near future.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848248]Whoever thought that going into a season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as the only quarterbacks would come back to bite us?[/quote]

Let's revisit this argument in 3 weeks. Beck finally gets a chance to show us what he can do. My only real request of either QB has been don't turn the ball over. At this point in the teams development I can deal with not having 300 yard 3 TD 0 int games. What I can't deal with is the stupid Int's and fumbles (1st Int wasn't that bad of a deal until Trent lost his temper).

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[quote=GTripp0012;848248]Whoever thought that going into a season with John Beck and Rex Grossman as the only quarterbacks would come back to bite us?[/quote]

I dont think we should put Beck and Grossman in the same category until Beck is given a chance to prove himself. Grossman had his chance and failed as expected. (By some of us)

There is always the chance that Beck can do some good. He without a doubt makes Grossman look like slow motion.

I think given the chance Beck can lead the Redskins. He just seems to have much more raw talent and awareness than Grossman.

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[quote=4mrusmc;848250]Sorry, but I have to say this again; F this team!!! There I feel better, now I can go back to my life.[/quote]

Go join a Dallas board troll. All you people that b!t@# and complain make me sick. We are rebuilding this team. We have a great start this year. We have added a lot of terrific pieces via FA and drafts but Rome wasn't built in a day. We can't rebuild and fix all of our deficiencies in one year.

Shanny didn't see a QB he liked this year so he fixed other problems. We are doing better to this point than a lot of people expected anyway. We will draft a QB early in next years draft and you all won't have to complain about Beck or Grossman for a lot longer.

So be happy we are moving towards the light instead of deeper in a hole like we were under Cerrato. THERE! NOW I FEEL BETTER!!!!

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I hope no one posts "trade for
Orton", he is not the
Answer. The QB position will be
Addressed next year with our 1st round
Pick in the draft.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;848273]I hope no one posts "trade for
Orton", he is not the
Answer. The QB position will be
Addressed next year with our 1st round
Pick in the draft.[/quote]

Unfortunately though people have to realize that drafting a QB as a means of upgrading the position is a one step backward two steps forward type deal unless the QB's name is Andrew Luck and we are not touching Andrew Luck. I'm seeing a lot of people that think it would be an instant upgrade when in all liklihood it would not be (part of the reason I've always been in sort of a hurry to draft a QB).

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In actuality, things are perhaps going according to plan.

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Everyone acts like drafting a QB next year makes us a legit team lmao u guys do realize besides Luck all the others are a crap shoot

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848275]Unfortunately though people have to realize that drafting a QB as a means of upgrading the position is a one step backward two steps forward type deal unless the QB's name is Andrew Luck and we are not touching Andrew Luck. I'm seeing a lot of people that think it would be an instant upgrade when in all liklihood it would not be (part of the reason I've always been in sort of a hurry to draft a QB).[/quote]

People do that for every position. They are simply are not trained to think it terms of [I]probabilities[/I] of success. Mike Shanahan is no fool. Drafting a QB is a [I]commitment[/I] with a certain degree of [I]risk[/I]. If you're going to take one, you better be confident you scouted him out right or else you're better off getting some stars for other positions on your team.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;848282]People do that for every position. They are simply are not trained to think it terms of [I]probabilities[/I] of success. Mike Shanahan is no fool. Drafting a QB is a [I]commitment[/I] with a certain degree of [I]risk[/I]. If you're going to take one, you better be confident you scouted him out right or else you're better off getting some stars for other positions on your team.[/quote]

Didn't Shannahan already scout Beck?

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If the Rams win the Luck special. I say we trade Cooley and our 1st/3rd for their 1st.

BOOM

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[quote=44ever;848259]I dont think we should put Beck and Grossman in the same category until Beck is given a chance to prove himself. Grossman had his chance and failed as expected. (By some of us)

There is always the chance that Beck can do some good. He without a doubt makes Grossman look like slow motion.

I think given the chance Beck can lead the Redskins. He just seems to have much more raw talent and awareness than Grossman.[/quote]If today didn't provide enough evidence that Beck can't make the throws necessary to lead the offense, this is going to be a long season of trying to explain to people that the QB situation sucks.

Look, John Beck lost a QB competition to Rex Grossman five years into his career. Might the Redskins have no choice but to turn to Beck and hope for the best? Perhaps. Does that mean that our offense is so incredibly limited that we have no choice but to play a career backup? That's the obvious read here.

If the offense is so inept that Grossman is going to be put in bad situations where he can turn the ball over all season, then it's not an offense that is going to make Beck a success story. If we're making a quarterback change to limit the damaged caused by the quarterback, then fine, play John Beck.

But then we need to realize that the bar for the offense is being set at "I hope we have fewer turnovers than touchdowns." Such is the only standard in which Beck can achieve success.

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Im going to start a "Lets sign Garrard" thread.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;848279]Everyone acts like drafting a QB next year makes us a legit team lmao u guys do realize besides Luck all the others are a crap shoot[/quote]

Wrong. There will be at least 3 NFL ready QB's next year, Barkley USC, the QB from Arizona, etc. people doubted Dalton whom I wanted the Redskins to draft and what is he doing? Cam Newton?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;848275]Unfortunately though people have to realize that drafting a QB as a means of upgrading the position is a one step backward two steps forward type deal unless the QB's name is Andrew Luck and we are not touching Andrew Luck. I'm seeing a lot of people that think it would be an instant upgrade when in all liklihood it would not be (part of the reason I've always been in sort of a hurry to draft a QB).[/quote]

This is why I expect to see a total overhaul of the QB position in the offseason. I expect that at this time next year we have neither Rex nor Beck. Instead we will have a steady if unspectacular vet starting while our golden rookie learns.

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[quote=Bucket;848286]If the Rams win the Luck special. I say we trade Cooley and our 1st/3rd for their 1st.

BOOM[/quote]

I can't imagine that the Rams would make such a deal.

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The Rams will be in a bad position if they get the 1st pick. Draft Luck or do what........

I can't see a trade happening for the #1 pick.

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[quote=Bucket;848286]If the Rams win the Luck special. I say we trade Cooley and our 1st/3rd for their 1st.

BOOM[/quote]

I've been thinking the same and would offer our 1st, Landry, Davis or even Kerrigan to get Luck. Those guys can be replaced easier than a franchise QB like Luck.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848294]The Rams will be in a bad position if they get the 1st pick. Draft Luck or do what........[/quote]

Draft Luck or trade the pick for more than a 1, a 3, and Cooley. There will be serious bidding for that pick and the price will be sky high.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848294]The Rams will be in a bad position if they get the 1st pick. Draft Luck or do what........

I can't see a trade happening for the #1 pick.[/quote]

Then trade for Bradford.

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[quote=Lotus;848296]Draft Luck or trade the pick for more than a 1, a 3, and Cooley. There will be serious bidding for that pick and the price will be sky high.[/quote]

Good luck with that. Everyone knows the Rams don't need a QB so let them draft him and the price will come down as he sits the bench or get Bradford @ a lower price.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848300]Good luck with that. Everyone knows the Rams don't need a QB so let them draft him and the price will come down as he sits the bench or get Bradford @ a lower price.[/quote]

You missed the point. The point is that some other team will offer a king's ransom for that pick, much more than a 1, a 3, and Cooley.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848287]If today didn't provide enough evidence that Beck can't make the throws necessary to lead the offense, this is going to be a long season of trying to explain to people that the QB situation sucks.

Look, John Beck lost a QB competition to Rex Grossman five years into his career. Might the Redskins have no choice but to turn to Beck and hope for the best? Perhaps. Does that mean that our offense is so incredibly limited that we have no choice but to play a career backup? That's the obvious read here.

If the offense is so inept that Grossman is going to be put in bad situations where he can turn the ball over all season, then it's not an offense that is going to make Beck a success story. If we're making a quarterback change to limit the damaged caused by the quarterback, then fine, play John Beck.

But then we need to realize that the bar for the offense is being set at "I hope we have fewer turnovers than touchdowns." Such is the only standard in which Beck can achieve success.[/quote]


I've seen Beck make the throws he didn't make today, iv'e also seen the WR's like Gaffney and Stallworth make the catches they didn't make either. You guys are reading between the lines to much.

Out of 15 throws. I remember 4 being dropped, and he completed 8. He also put together our ONLY touchdown drive of the game. I'm not saying Beck is the next Elway because I have no idea, but that goes the same for a guy saying a QB cannot make the throws and we are limited to average play from him by seeing those "15 throws"

He came in and did what he could with what he was given. How about we give it till next week to start calling out what we think Beck is right now?

I remember people saying Alex Smith couldn't do it.... Just saying...

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[quote=Gtothearry;848294]The Rams will be in a bad position if they get the 1st pick. Draft Luck or do what........

I can't see a trade happening for the #1 pick.[/quote]

Disagree. They have a franchise QB that has no O-line and no WR's. They could get a king's ransom for the #1 overall pick in 2012 and could really improve their team with said ransom, all the while not losing Bradford.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;848282]People do that for every position. They are simply are not trained to think it terms of [I]probabilities[/I] of success. Mike Shanahan is no fool. Drafting a QB is a [I]commitment[/I] with a certain degree of [I]risk[/I]. If you're going to take one, you better be confident you scouted him out right or else you're better off getting some stars for other positions on your team.[/quote]

I don't disagree with that. What I do disagree with is the people around Redskin nation that are seeing the problems at QB and think that getting that QB in next years draft is going to immediately fix things in 2012, which they won't unless they somehow end up with Andrew Luck. We'd be looking at a QB that won't be productive and able to win games on his own until 2013 at the earliest which is part of the reason I've been against the hesitation towards drafting a potential franchise QB thats come from the fanbase since 2010 and the next years class will be the best ever clan.

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[quote=Lotus;848301]You missed the point. The point is that some other team will offer a king's ransom for that pick, much more than a 1, a 3, and Cooley.[/quote]

I get your point but if I was another NFL team I wouldn't offer a kings ransom and force the Rams hand.

The Colts could end up with the pick which will be interesting as well.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;848298]Then trade for Bradford.[/quote]

If I were the Rams and Luck is good as everyone think he's going to be I'd trade Bradford to the Skins and keep Luck. I'm sure they can save a lot of cap space too by getting rid of Bradford's contract.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848300]Good luck with that. Everyone knows the Rams don't need a QB so let them draft him and the price will come down as he sits the bench or get Bradford @ a lower price.[/quote]Whether the Rams need him or not is not the issue.

A QB-starved team who deems Luck as their savior will likely have to deal with another team with the same outlook; there isn't only just one team with QB issues. Whoever can pay the highest price will win. If Charlie freaking Whitehurst can fetch a second and a third, Luck will be paid a king's ransom.

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[quote=Gtothearry;848306]I get your point but if I was another NFL team [B]I wouldn't offer a kings ransom and force the Rams hand. [/B]

The Colts could end up with the pick which will be interesting as well.[/quote]

But you wouldn't force their hand. They could always draft Luck and then trade one of their 2 QB's down the road.

The fact is, whoever has the Luck pick is going to get enormous trade offers.

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Whoever has the #1 overall will not trade out. If it's the Rams, they likely take Luck and trade Bradford. Colts will hold Luck. Luck will never be a Redskin. Better to focus on the next tier of QBs that will likely be available in the area of 15-20 in the draft.

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Better hope Luck makes it through the season healthy........lol

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;848309]Whether the Rams need him or not is not the issue.

A QB-starved team who deems Luck as their savior will likely have to deal with another team with the same outlook; there isn't only just one team with QB issues. Whoever can pay the highest price will win. [B]If Charlie freaking Whitehurst can fetch a second and a third, Luck will be paid a king's ransom.[/B][/quote]

Thank you.

This talk of getting Luck on the cheap is like dreaming to buy a million dollar house with $50,000.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;848311]Whoever has the #1 overall will not trade out. If it's the Rams, they likely take Luck and trade Bradford. Colts will hold Luck. Luck will never be a Redskin. Better to focus on the next tier of QBs that will likely be available in the area of 15-20 in the draft.[/quote]

I would give up my moderatorship, break up with DynamiteRave (yeah she doesn't know it either), and ban you for the chance to see Bradford in a Redskins uniform

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[quote=SmootSmack;848314]I would give up my moderatorship, break up with DynamiteRave (yeah she doesn't know it either), and ban you for the chance to see Bradford in a Redskins uniform[/quote]

Hope this happens......

The Rams problems are not at QB. They'd be pretty stupid to get rid of Bradford, but hey I'd take him in a heart beat.

Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G.

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[quote=SmootSmack;848314]I would give up my moderatorship, break up with DynamiteRave (yeah she doesn't know it either), and ban you for the chance to see Bradford in a Redskins uniform[/quote]

I thought you were happily married?

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[quote=SmootSmack;848314]I would give up my moderatorship, break up with DynamiteRave (yeah she doesn't know it either), and [B]ban you[/B] for the chance to see Bradford in a Redskins uniform[/quote]yeah, me too.....hey wait a minute :mad:

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The Rams will not draft Luck LMAO, Bradford is a star

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;848323]I thought you were happily married?[/quote]

I'm just the side dish.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;848331]I'm just the side dish.[/quote]

I wonder if he has had other dishes on a Love Boat somewhere. :laughing2