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[quote=SkinzWin;865631]I don't see us drafting 3rd. I think we will lose all games with the exception of Minny going either way at this point, but I can see us winning if ALL DAY is out of the line-up still.

Right now there are 4 teams with a worse record, could be 5 if San Diego loses. And we have 5 other teams tied with our record. The chances we get a 3rd overall pick are very slim IMO. As I posted earlier, I think we are in the 5-7 range depending on tie breakers (4-6 if we lose out). We could still trade up, but I don't see it. As I'm sure Luck is going #1 overall, I think there is a chance Barkley or RGIII is still there in that window, but if not we can move up a spot or two to get him and not give up as much as moving to #1 overall. That's the smarter move to me.[/quote]

Yes, chances are we won't end up picking 3rd. We could lose out though and I won't begin to analze SOS.

I'm still not sure Indi will take Luck. They may trade that pick if PM's neck is ok. Stockpile some picks and stick w/ Manning for 4-5 more years. They need the help in the form of draft picks. So, either we trade up to get Luck or he'll be gone. We should be in a good position though to get the 2nd or 3rd QB in the draft who should be very good.

Can't believe it's December and I'm thinking about the draft. I am rooting for all the teams that suck to win though.

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I thought I heard we were sitting in 4th place right now if the draft was to start now. The NFL network has us the 5th worst team but thats not counting strength of schedule. But the other teams are a lot worse ie;

Colts- 0-11
Rams- 2-10
Vikes- 2-10
Jaguars- 3-8
Redskins- 4-8

All the 4-8 teams are

Redskins
Buccaneers
Eagles
Dolphins
Browns
Panthers


We will see what happens tonight cause the Jags are 3-8 and we need for them to win and the Chargers are 4-7. Root for the Jags.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league]NFL Standings: League[/url]

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[quote=redsk1;865678]Yes, chances are we won't end up picking 3rd. We could lose out though and I won't begin to analze SOS.

I'm still not sure Indi will take Luck. [B]They may trade that pick if PM's neck is ok. [/B]Stockpile some picks and stick w/ Manning for 4-5 more years. They need the help in the form of draft picks. So, either we trade up to get Luck or he'll be gone. We should be in a good position though to get the 2nd or 3rd QB in the draft who should be very good.

Can't believe it's December and I'm thinking about the draft. I am rooting for all the teams that suck to win though.[/quote]

Easier said than done. I know the contract implications are not as bad now with the new CBA, but you still have to look at it from the angle of how much you will have to give up draft pick, and maybe player, wise in trading for the #1 overall first pick. I think teams aren't all going to be jumping right in to hand over every draft pick they have just to get Luck. No with Barkley and RGIII right behind him.

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Minn should be hungry for a win after losing the division rival Lions and getting slammed by the Saints. That said I don't see how we could pick higher than 4th overall, and like others mentioned it could be as low as 8th.

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NE- Loss
@ NYG- Loss
Minn - Loss
@ Phili - Loss

1-5 in the division ad 4-12 overall. Skins will draft 3 or 4 in 2012

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I say we end up drafting 5th with Minny, St.Louis, Indy and tampa ahead of us. I think that every one of those teams is fine at the QB position, but Indy WILL take Luck. So the question is, will Tampa take one qb, or will both great qbs drop to the 5th pick, giving us our choice?

Point is, if we end up with Matthew Barkley as our signal caller coming out of the 2012 draft, this draft was a great one. If we end up without him and RG3 turns out to be our qb, then it still will be a good draft. But if we do not get either of them, and Shanny takes a chance on "his" type of guy, say in the 2nd round in order to groom him and such, then I am not so sure...........I wouldnt hate to see Tannehill running our O, shit, he would be better than what we have right now the first day he stepped onto the field, AS A ROOKIE. If that is Shannys direction, then who could you see him rolling with in the first round if he targets tannehill in the 2nd? Would it be a WR? Or would he go OLine?

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Or, would he, and I know this would not be very popular in DC right now, but, could he say "**** it Im going D", and ignore the offense for say a shut down corner, or the stud MLB we need to complete our corps?

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To me if we dont go qb in the first which would be stupid as hell if we have our choice of rg or bark then we go Claiborne or Trent Richardson.

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308/446 69.1% 3528 yards 39 TDs 7 INTs
261/373 70% 3170 yards 35 TDs 9 INTs

These are the season's stats for two QBs, both in the Pac-12. You may be surprised as to which one is which.

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Idk Richardson wouldn't be my first choice. I say if no QB or no guard either Claiborne or Vontae Burfect. Both are defensive beasts and would be studs in our defense.

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[quote=itvnetop;865779]308/446 69.1% 3528 yards 39 TDs 7 INTs
261/373 70% 3170 yards 35 TDs 9 INTs

These are the season's stats for two QBs, both in the Pac-12. You may be surprised as to which one is which.[/quote]



Andrew Luck with the 70% and Barkley with the more TDs and ints

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[quote=musicmaster45;865781]Idk Richardson wouldn't be my first choice. I say if no QB or no guard either Claiborne or Vontae Burfect. Both are defensive beasts and would be studs in our defense.[/quote]

Passing on a talent like Richardson if no qbs are on the board could be like passing on Peterson for Landry. Richardson is a monster and while I love Helu and think he will be a great running back, Trent Richardson will be a special player.

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We need a QB so bad I say we go QB in round one and QB in round 5-7 for insurance
Like we did when we got Heath Shular and Good ol Gus F back in the day.
I vote RGIII in round 1 and either Austin Parish or Ryan Lindley in round 5 or 6
Hell I wouldn't be opposed to getting RGIII in round one and Tannehill in round 2 and have them battle for the job Shanahan style

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[quote=mauiRedskinbarn;865784]We need a QB so bad I say we go QB in round one and QB in round 5-7 for insurance
Like we did when we got Heath Shular and Good ol Gus F back in the day.
I vote RGIII in round 1 and either Austin Parish or Ryan Lindley in round 5 or 6
Hell I wouldn't be opposed to getting RGIII in round one and Tannehill in round 2 and have them battle for the job Shanahan style[/quote]

I would break Shanny's arms if he went RGIII in rd 1 then Tannehill in rd 2

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;865782]Andrew Luck with the 70% and Barkley with the more TDs and ints[/quote]

Um, you may want to check those stats again. The guy with more TDs has [I]less[/I] INTs than the other guy.

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[quote=itvnetop;865788]Um, you may want to check those stats again. The guy with more TDs has [I]less[/I] INTs than the other guy.[/quote]

my bad wasnt paying attention but Barkley with the more tds fewer picks and luck with the 70% comp.

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I think we should draft Barkley 5th overall, and trade up to 7th to draft RGIII as an insurance policy. We can trade whichever one doesn't do as well like Philly has been doing with their second QB's.... :)

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Bark's now been snubbed for a Heisman finalist invite... with superior numbers over Luck (except for a completion percentage less than 1 percent lower), this may be one more reason he'd stay. Heisman, Natty, 2013 overall #1. Going for the Cam Newton triple.

Or take the money now and get to DC, please.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;865785]I would break Shanny's arms if he went RGIII in rd 1 then Tannehill in rd 2[/quote]
Don't worry he wont. What I would like to see is Shanny to get someone like Mat Moore or Mat Flynn, and Barkley or RGIII or who ever he rally wants, in the first round. I like Nick Foles as my back up to Barkley, but I think Shannahan will make a good choice drafting a QB. So I will trust in his choice, especialy after seeing Gabbert. I know he was not ready to be in a pro system, but they said the same thing about Newton.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;865796]Don't worry he wont. What I would like to see is Shanny to get someone like Mat Moore or Mat Flynn, and Barkley or RGIII or who ever he rally wants, in the first round. I like Nick Foles as my back up to Barkley, but I think Shannahan will make a good choice drafting a QB. So I will trust in his choice, especialy after seeing Gabbert. I know he was not ready to be in a pro system, but they said the same thing about Newton.[/quote]

I know he won't.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;865801]I know he won't.[/quote]
I knew you knew that. It just gave me a chance to ramble on, like an obsessed Redskins fan.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;865803]I knew you knew that. It just gave me a chance to ramble on, like an obsessed Redskins fan.[/quote]

Works for me.

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[quote=Mechanix544;865773]I say we end up drafting 5th with Minny, St.Louis, Indy and tampa ahead of us. I think that every one of those teams is fine at the QB position, but Indy WILL take Luck. So the question is, will Tampa take one qb, or will both great qbs drop to the 5th pick, giving us our choice?

Point is, if we end up with Matthew Barkley as our signal caller coming out of the 2012 draft, this draft was a great one. If we end up without him and RG3 turns out to be our qb, then it still will be a good draft. But if we do not get either of them, and Shanny takes a chance on "his" type of guy, say in the 2nd round in order to groom him and such, then I am not so sure...........I wouldnt hate to see Tannehill running our O, shit, he would be better t
han what we have right now the first day he stepped onto the field, AS A ROOKIE. If that is Shannys direction, then who could you see him rolling with in the first round if he targets tannehill in the 2nd? Would it be a WR? Or would he go OLine?[/quote]

My only real concern at this point is Cle. SS has already mentioned that the browns are deeply interested in Barkley...

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One thing I worry about Shanahan is that he would pass Barkley and go for Landry Jones if he decides to enter the draft. I smell a Ryan Leaf vs Manning scenario. [url=http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sportscoconuts.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ratboy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sportscoconuts.wordpress.com/2008/11/page/2/&h=400&w=320&sz=59&tbnid=-sRWKxvkm40thM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=72&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmike%2Bshanahan%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=mike+shanahan&docid=OEF8he92EMe6dM&sa=X&ei=SJ_dTvm_EKfMiQKcxOztCA&ved=0CFQQ9QEwBg&dur=454]Redirect Notice[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;865828]One thing I worry about Shanahan is that he would pass Barkley and go for Landry Jones if he decides to enter the draft. I smell a Ryan Leaf vs Manning scenario. [url=http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://sportscoconuts.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/ratboy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sportscoconuts.wordpress.com/2008/11/page/2/&h=400&w=320&sz=59&tbnid=-sRWKxvkm40thM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=72&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmike%2Bshanahan%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=mike+shanahan&docid=OEF8he92EMe6dM&sa=X&ei=SJ_dTvm_EKfMiQKcxOztCA&ved=0CFQQ9QEwBg&dur=454]Redirect Notice[/url][/quote]

I want to say: "well you gotta trust Shanahan and his decision" but then I remember that he went with Rex and Beck this season.

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Landry is coming back if the street talk is right

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[quote=Ruhskins;865830]I want to say: "well you gotta trust Shanahan and his decision" but then I remember that he went with Rex and Beck this season.[/quote]

I really felt they went with rex and beck because of the lockout. They felt they wouldn't have time coach up a rookie or FA. All bets off if there was no lockout. To me, that decision made sense. No one could have predicted how well Newton and Dalton are doing.

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True but Shanny is so tight lipped who knows what QB he will take.

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[quote=Ruhskins;865830]I want to say: "well you gotta trust Shanahan and his decision" but then I remember that he went with Rex and Beck this season.[/quote]

Not directed specifically at you, you just brought up the thought in my mind, but I get tired of so many people belittling Shanny for having Rex/Beck as the QB combo this year. If he didn't like the guys available in the draft, then he didn't like them. If he didn't think any FA's were a good fit, then why would he get them. Especially after the bad taste left in his mouth from going out and getting another FA that doesn't pan out the year before in McNabb. You know how all over him people and the media would be?

We have so many problems he can't fix them all in one year. We got some good FA's and some good draft picks. I am confident we will address QB this year in the draft. Rome wasn't built in a day.

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[quote=mbedner3420;865850]I really felt they went with rex and beck because of the lockout. They felt they wouldn't have time coach up a rookie or FA. All bets off if there was no lockout. To me, that decision made sense. No one could have predicted how well Newton and Dalton are doing.[/quote]

Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL!

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[quote=Paintrain;865985]Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL![/quote]

I agree it was a bad decision to not have a developmental QB. However, I feel that the reason for this was Shanny had a win now mentality when he got here, and when that didn't happen, he went into rebuild mode and didn't like anyone he saw last year so chose to improve other badly performing positions.

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[quote=SkinzWin;865992]I agree it was a bad decision to not have a developmental QB. However, I feel that the reason for this was Shanny had a win now mentality when he got here, and when that didn't happen, he went into rebuild mode and didn't like anyone he saw last year so chose to improve other badly performing positions.[/quote]

I think there is a big difference between getting McNabb (which costed the team a 2nd rounder) and going after some of the free agents that were available this past offseason. I don't think anyone was expecting MS to trade for a veteran QB this offseason, but I just find it hard to believe that Rex and Beck were the best options out there.

Granted, that there is always the possibility that maybe none of these vet QBs wanted to come here. But I think the starting QB position was wide open here in Washington, and I find it hard to believe that the likes of Matt Leinart, Vince Young, and possibly Tavaris Jackson would not have wanted to compete for a starting position. I'm not saying that these guys would have meant playoffs for us, but I think they are slightly better than the two QBs we have on roster.

In the end, many things could have happened, but I just hope MS' decision to go with these two guys were truly the result of the lockout and what not, and not an actual decision by the coaching staff to depend on these guys. We will never know, since MS would never go out and said that he had to settle for these guys.

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[quote=SkinzWin;865976]Not directed specifically at you, you just brought up the thought in my mind, but I get tired of so many people belittling Shanny for having Rex/Beck as the QB combo this year. If he didn't like the guys available in the draft, then he didn't like them. If he didn't think any FA's were a good fit, then why would he get them. Especially after the bad taste left in his mouth from going out and getting another FA that doesn't pan out the year before in McNabb. You know how all over him people and the media would be?

We have so many problems he can't fix them all in one year. We got some good FA's and some good draft picks. I am confident we will address QB this year in the draft. Rome wasn't built in a day.[/quote]But the argument is totally nullified by the fact that the Redskins had McNabb on the roster after the lockout ended. He was traded because he was perceived as a limiting factor by a team that wanted to turn the keys over to Rex Grossman and/or John Beck.

There's no conspiracy theory to be had here. Mike Shanahan thought Rex Grossman and John Beck could win games for him in 2011. He thought they could win enough games to win the NFC East. And the only part he was right about is that it's only going to take 9 or 10 wins to take the East.

It's one thing to not have a lot of confidence in a rookie Blaine Gabbert or a rookie Christian Ponder or a rookie Ryan Mallett, the three players who the Redskins passed over at no. 10 overall to trade down to 16. History may prove Mike Shanahan right on that one. It's never going to look fondly though on the guys he actually staked his reputation to. Heck, Shanahan couldn't even tell the difference in quality between the two guys he handpicked. Even the veterans on the Redskins had that figured out. The idea that there werent better options out there to be had over the last two seasons is absurd. Of course there were.

We haven't fixed any "real" problems in two years, so how would we know how much a good coaching staff could fix in one year? Maybe changing the coaching staff brings in the perfect guy to win in the NFL at this time. Or maybe it starts over the rebuilding clock. Either way, what's the downside?

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[quote=Paintrain;865985]Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL![/quote]

I wonder if being thrown into the mix right as the season started (for Gabbert) and within the season (Ponder) affected these guys. I mean, I am sure being the starter from day 1 helped Dalton and Newton (although Newton's talent cannot be compared to these other guys).

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[quote=Paintrain;865985]Agreed, long term we are no worse off from the Rex/Beck decision than we would have been if we brought someone else in via free agency. My only issue is that there hasn't been a developmental QB brought in via the draft in either of the previous 2 seasons.

Anyone who has watched Gabbert or Ponder can't really be too upset we didn't pick one of them over Kerrigan. Gabbert looks like he may be out of the league in 3 years, he looks AWFUL![/quote]My official position is that it's far too early to judge anyone from the 2011 QB class right now. I think Ponder looks a lot better than Gabbert at this point, but I won't be concerned about Gabbert unless he's still JaMarcusing it at this point next year. Then Jacksonville has issues. We used to have a word to describe Blaine Gabbert's performance, and that word was "rookie."

You need rushers like Kerrigan in this league just as much as you need franchise quarterbacks, so I will never struggle to grasp the Redskins decision. Me personally? I would have kept Andre Carter and been more patient with him and drafted a QB in 2011. But then we'd be looking at having to address that hole on the defense anyway.

A big thing for me was that as soon as we passed on Ponder, I would have taken T.J. Yates down in the draft (maybe even in the second round) because he pretty much was Christian Ponder in college, just a year older. And while you would be totally shocked how much of a difference a year makes in terms of total career value (I think it's something like 30-40%), a fourth or a fifth round pick on Yates would have been a bargain. Same with Pat Devlin or Scott Tolzien, who both went undrafted. All of this assumes the Redskins took Ryan Mallett off their draft board, because let's face it, the Redskins under Shanahan have never spent a high pick on a guy with the dreaded 'character issues.' Or something.

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[quote=Ruhskins;865998]I wonder if being thrown into the mix right as the season started (for Gabbert) and within the season (Ponder) affected these guys. I mean, I am sure being the starter from day 1 helped Dalton and Newton (although Newton's talent cannot be compared to these other guys).[/quote]Ponder [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7307382/nfl-week-13-total-qbr-season-leaders"]has been as good as Dalton[/URL]. Dalton has benefited from a bit of what Alex Smith has this year: level of competition is low, so the difference between "bad rookie" and "good rookie" means you are winning games, as opposed to just losing competently. Cam's been in a league of his own among rookies, but has no defense and plays a lot of playoff teams.

I think the only reason Gabbert is playing at all this year is because Garrard was damaged goods. When you look at the closest Gabbert college comparables, only Josh Freeman was his team's primary starter his first year. Most sat until at least this point of the season. To think Gabbert has been exposed as a poor prospect simply because he has had to play before he was ready is something I just wouldn't agree with.

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[quote=GTripp0012;866003]Ponder [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7307382/nfl-week-13-total-qbr-season-leaders"]has been as good as Dalton[/URL]. Dalton has benefited from a bit of what Alex Smith has this year: level of competition is low, so the difference between "bad rookie" and "good rookie" means you are winning games, as opposed to just losing competently. Cam's been in a league of his own among rookies, [B]but has no defense and plays a lot of playoff teams[/B].

I think the only reason Gabbert is playing at all this year is because Garrard was damaged goods. When you look at the closest Gabbert college comparables, only Josh Freeman was his team's primary starter his first year. Most sat until at least this point of the season. To think Gabbert has been exposed as a poor prospect simply because he has had to play before he was ready is something I just wouldn't agree with.[/quote]

And for some reason they had no running game in the first part of the season (I think Cam Newton WAS their running game).

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[quote=Ruhskins;866004]And for some reason they had no running game in the first part of the season (I think Cam Newton WAS their running game).[/quote]

The Jordan Gross and Jeff Otah injuries really hurt them in that regard but with returning healthy players (Jon Beason, Jeff Otah, James Anderson, Chris Gamble) and a decent draft in which I think they will draft Morris Claiborne, watch out for the Panthers in 2012.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;866034]The Jordan Gross and Jeff Otah injuries really hurt them in that regard but with returning healthy players (Jon Beason, Jeff Otah, James Anderson, Chris Gamble) and a decent draft in which I think they will draft Morris Claiborne, watch out for the Panthers in 2012.[/quote]

I think the odd team out next season in the NFC South will be the Bucs. The Saints should be the top team next season again (unless something happens) and both the Falcons and Panthers will be fighting for the #2 spot.

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[quote=GTripp0012;866001]My official position is that it's far too early to judge anyone from the 2011 QB class right now. I think Ponder looks a lot better than Gabbert at this point, but I won't be concerned about Gabbert unless he's still JaMarcusing it at this point next year. Then Jacksonville has issues. We used to have a word to describe Blaine Gabbert's performance, and that word was "rookie."

You need rushers like Kerrigan in this league just as much as you need franchise quarterbacks, so I will never struggle to grasp the Redskins decision. Me personally? I would have kept Andre Carter and been more patient with him and drafted a QB in 2011. But then we'd be looking at having to address that hole on the defense anyway.

A big thing for me was that as soon as we passed on Ponder, I would have taken T.J. Yates down in the draft (maybe even in the second round) because he pretty much was Christian Ponder in college, just a year older. And while you would be totally shocked how much of a difference a year makes in terms of total career value (I think it's something like 30-40%), a fourth or a fifth round pick on Yates would have been a bargain. Same with Pat Devlin or Scott Tolzien, who both went undrafted. All of this assumes the Redskins took Ryan Mallett off their draft board, because let's face it, the Redskins under Shanahan have never spent a high pick on a guy with the dreaded 'character issues.' Or something.[/quote]
Well in evaluating Gabbert it really has nothing to do with his production, I see a guy with a major case of the flinches. Any time pressure is in his face he seems to either throw off of his back foot or completely lose his fundamentals to just unload it. His numbers on 3rd down and red zone in college weren't good at all either so there is a significant question about how he handles stress and pressure. That's not really something that can be coached. I've seen that behavior closely compared to David Carr and Joey Harrington, not good company to be in.

As much as Carter looks great in NE this year, he has shown a couple of times (SF & Wash) that despite his ability and effort, he's not a 3-4 guy. There's nothing wrong with that, some guys just are poor fits for that system. Kerrigan gives us a guy younger and better suited for that position.

I'm with you on the young QB thing but I think the choice not to draft Mallett had more to do with system compatibility concerns than it did character issues.