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[quote=Paintrain;874355]If this happens I'm unplugging the internet. He's Colt Brennan 2.0 and I can't take the Mob of Moore whining at every snap.[/quote]

I understand why you draw that comparison, but no man Kellen Moore is a gamer.

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[quote=Paintrain;874355]If this happens I'm unplugging the internet. He's Colt Brennan 2.0 and I can't take the Mob of Moore whining at every snap.[/quote]

Colt, like Kellen have a few similarities;

-They both played in the WAC for at least 3 years
-Both are not the protypical build the NFL looks for
-Both don't have the strong arms the nfl seeks
-Both are accurate however; Kellen played in a more nfl based WC offense with some college tendencies. Colt played in a Texas Tech spread pass happy offense.

And thats where the similarities end.

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I would love love love it if we drafted Kellen Moore....in the 5th round to be our 3rd stringer after we've added a stud rookie in the 1st or 2nd and brought in a veteran as the new #2

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[url=http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/01/is_kellen_moore_a_qb_possibili.html]Is Kellen Moore a QB possibility for the Browns? Hey, Tony! | cleveland.com[/url]

interesting questions about Kellen and RG3 and us.

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If we get someone we want in the 2nd-3rd like, well not everyone wants him but, Nick Foles.. i wouldnt mind drafting Moore in the 6th or so.. keep Rex around also..

im just not convinced we move up to get a top qb or that one falls to us...

now Paying Matt Flynn might happen IMO..

PLEASE dont give away the farm for effing Sam Bradford, please.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874382][url=http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/01/is_kellen_moore_a_qb_possibili.html]Is Kellen Moore a QB possibility for the Browns? Hey, Tony! | cleveland.com[/url]

interesting questions about Kellen and RG3 and us.[/quote]

I like the assumption that our first round draft pick next year will be a high one. Damn.

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With the 6th pick I think we should.......draft anyone from Alabama's defense lol This may be the most dominate defensive performance I've ever seen by a defense in a National Championship game. I almost feel bad for LSU lol

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[quote=Skins4Eva;874445]With the 6th pick I think we should.......draft anyone from Alabama's defense lol This may be the most dominate defensive performance I've ever seen by a defense in a National Championship game. I almost feel bad for LSU lol[/quote]

While both teams have great defenses, no doubt, it's also hard to take it seriously when wide open receivers are dropping passes and neither team can score a Touchdown for 7 quarters. Heck they were underthrowing screen passes a few times tonight. And that shovel pass from Jefferson, man that was ugly.

Hopefully this game lights enough of a fire to encourage the BCS to change.

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Jordan Jefferson, I wanna kill him right now. Only so much a defense can do until its like F it. Under 100 yards of offense? Really?

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And who was suggesting earlier that Jefferson should get a look because he led the offense that had done so well this year?! ha!

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J. Jefferson is just not a big-time qb, Miles should've benched him by mid 3rd qtr, he looked frustrated & hesitant from the get go. Jefferson is decent but wouldn't start for a lot of good college teams. Give him credit for a good year though, they put up some great wins. That Bama D was somethin!

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874447]While both teams have great defenses, no doubt, it's also hard to take it seriously when wide open receivers are dropping passes and neither team can score a Touchdown for 7 quarters. Heck they were underthrowing screen passes a few times tonight. And that shovel pass from Jefferson, man that was ugly.

Hopefully this game lights enough of a fire to encourage the BCS to change.[/quote]

Jefferson was surely not the guy to beat Bama & they knew that coming in as they've played him before. LSU needed a really good or great QB to beat Bama. To the credit of the Bama D, they intimidated LSU to such a degree that routine plays were rushed.

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I'm starting to come around to the idea that the Skins (if P. Manning is healthy) should do whatever it takes to get Luck. We have a good young core of players, and the needs (and depth) in other areas should be easily addressed in later rounds and/or free agency.

Good QB play could have given us a much better record last season, and I think this upcoming season we have a team that won't get a young QB rattled and shocked. Also, I think our defense will play better with a competent offense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;874528]I'm starting to come around to the idea that the Skins (if P. Manning is healthy) should do whatever it takes to get Luck. We have a good young core of players, and the needs (and depth) in other areas should be easily addressed in later rounds and/or free agency.

Good QB play could have given us a much better record last season, and I think this upcoming season we have a team that won't get a young QB rattled and shocked. Also, I think our defense will play better with a competent offense.[/quote]


The Colts won't trade Luck, I know it sucks because I'm right w ya but I've already moved on.. Maybe Flynn or RG3.

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I am starting to think with the 6th pick the Skins should either take BPA or trade back and aquire picks. We are not getting Luck and RGIII might not even be coming out this year! Blackmon will almost certainly be gone as will Kalil. One thing I do NOT want is to use this draft pick on is a CB. I dont think either Clayborn or any other CB is worth the #6 pick. Maybe grab the OT from stanford?

So it is starting to look to me like we will not be drafting a new day 1 starting QB in this years draft.

So looking at FA options it would seem to be Hoyer, Flynn (going to be overpaid by someone) maybe trade for Clausen or Brady Quinn........yeesh.

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Trading back and picking Michael Floyd from Notre Dame sounds pretty darn good to me!

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[quote=Jontrem;874531]Trading back and picking Michael Floyd from Notre Dame sounds pretty darn good to me![/quote]

who's gonna throw to him?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;874529]The Colts won't trade Luck, I know it sucks because I'm right w ya but I've already moved on.. Maybe Flynn or RG3.[/quote]

I hope the team seriously looks at RG3. Unlike previous years, I feel like a rookie QB won't be killed out there by our offensive line.

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The league has changed the days of sitting a Rookie to "learn" are over

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[quote=Jontrem;874531]Trading back and picking Michael Floyd from Notre Dame sounds pretty darn good to me![/quote]



"Intangibles: Arrested three times on alcohol-related charges while at Notre Dame: cited for underage consumption in two incidents in Minnesota (May 2009, January 2010) and for drunken driving in March 2011 on campus. Missed most of 2009 with a broken left collarbone and the final two regular-season contests of 2008 with a left knee injury."

This from cbssports.com

Not exactly your character guy you look for considering Alshon, Blackmon (well he has one charge on him from his 4 years of college), Kendall Wright are better people and players IMO.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;874536]The league has changed the days of sitting a Rookie to "learn" are over[/quote]

I think this past season's rookie QB class was a proof of that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874538]"Intangibles: Arrested three times on alcohol-related charges while at Notre Dame: cited for underage consumption in two incidents in Minnesota (May 2009, January 2010) and for drunken driving in March 2011 on campus. Missed most of 2009 with a broken left collarbone and the final two regular-season contests of 2008 with a left knee injury."

This from cbssports.com

Not exactly your character guy you look for considering [B]Alshon[/B], Blackmon (well he has one charge on him from his 4 years of college), Kendall Wright are better people and players IMO.[/quote]

I live here in SC and this kid is the real deal if you ask me. Have met his father and brother. Extremely solid and well grounded people and Alshon is the same. Some team in the NFL will be happy with adding this kid. To be a top playmaker at WR and still have a humble head on your shoulders is a great thing to get in a player.

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[quote=Jontrem;874530]I am starting to think with the 6th pick the Skins should either take BPA or trade back and aquire picks. We are not getting Luck and [B]RGIII might not even be coming out this year![/B] Blackmon will almost certainly be gone as will Kalil. One thing I do NOT want is to use this draft pick on is a CB. I dont think either Clayborn or any other CB is worth the #6 pick. Maybe grab the OT from stanford?

So it is starting to look to me like we will not be drafting a new day 1 starting QB in this years draft.

So looking at FA options it would seem to be Hoyer, Flynn (going to be overpaid by someone) maybe trade for Clausen or Brady Quinn........yeesh.[/quote]

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Heisman-winner-RGIII-is-headed-for-the-pros.html]Report: Heisman winner RGIII is headed for the pros | National Football Post[/url]

No he is entering the draft.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;874546][url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Heisman-winner-RGIII-is-headed-for-the-pros.html]Report: Heisman winner RGIII is headed for the pros | National Football Post[/url]

No he is entering the draft.[/quote]

Article is a bit dated, and there is still speculation that he may return to Baylor.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7443615/robert-griffin-iii-meets-baylor-bears-coach-nfl-decision-nears]Robert Griffin III meets with Baylor Bears coach as NFL decision nears - ESPN[/url]

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Thanks for a bit of info there NC. Had no idea that he was rethinking his decision.

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[quote=SkinzWin;874517]And who was suggesting earlier that Jefferson should get a look because he led the offense that had done so well this year?! ha![/quote]

Yeah!

No seriously I'll take that hit. Again I figured if you are the #1 team in college and then it should stand to reason that if your QB got you there then he should be a decent candidate.

I think I watched the firs quarter and part of the 2nd then changed the channel when it was still 6-0. I was baffled as to why LSU kept trying to run, run option, QB run if it was going no where. Then I see maybe two passes and both were of the 10 to 15 yard variety only to go back to the run, run, run that went nowhere.

I even asked a co-worker today why they didn't change out the QB in the second quarter just to see if the second stringer could provide a spark. Then I see on MSN.com they had the same question why wasn't the QB changed out?

Other news flash for the QB... rule of physics.... if you are running the ball and your going to get caught anyway.... either try to get atleast 1 yard or commit to just trying to run over the defender instead of starting to run, stop, then decide to try and dance your way out of it.

Jefferson = pass. maybe he can change to a FB in the NFL cause he will suck at QB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;874529][B]The Colts won't trade Luck[/B], I know it sucks because I'm right w ya but I've already moved on.. Maybe Flynn or RG3.[/quote]

Your right.

Reality check:

P.Manning is probably done
Colts will take Luck as replacement
RGIII might be available
Grossman/Beck both need to go. Vet replacement- Flynn.

I can see
Flynn as our Vet
RGIII or Tannehill as our #2
and a late round drafted QB or UDFA to challenge Crompton for the PS.

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I know this isn't the popular answer, but I like the offense with Rex. I don't love it. I don't think we are gonna win it all with him, but I do think if we can't land who we want at Q with the 6th pick, i'm for sure good with taking best available. Landry Jones and RG3...no thanks. Jones is in no way a top 10 or maybe even 1st round Q, and I don't think RG3 is going to be anything more than a Q with Vince Young tendencies. We have plenty of needs we can address at 6 and either go with Rex or another vet at Q.

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[quote=CapitalPunishment;874581]I know this isn't the popular answer, but I like the offense with Rex. I don't love it. I don't think we are gonna win it all with him, but I do think if we can't land who we want at Q with the 6th pick, i'm for sure good with taking best available. Landry Jones and RG3...no thanks. Jones is in no way a top 10 or maybe even 1st round Q, and I don't think RG3 is going to be anything more than a Q with Vince Young tendencies. We have plenty of needs we can address at 6 and either go with Rex or another vet at Q.[/quote]

Landry Jones is staying in school....

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[quote=CultBrennan59;874538]"Intangibles: Arrested three times on alcohol-related charges while at Notre Dame: cited for underage consumption in two incidents in Minnesota (May 2009, January 2010) and for drunken driving in March 2011 on campus. Missed most of 2009 with a broken left collarbone and the final two regular-season contests of 2008 with a left knee injury."

This from cbssports.com

Not exactly your character guy you look for considering Alshon, Blackmon (well he has one charge on him from his 4 years of college), Kendall Wright are better people and players IMO.[/quote]


If Blackmon is available then I'd say take that WR over Floyd but I think Blackmon will be gone. I presume you issue is his character but I'd challenge by asking did you have the same issue's with Taylor when he was still alive? spitting on opponants and getting a DUI? How about TW and Davis? should we trade them away?

Young men will be young men. They make mistakes/poor choices. If Big Ben was available would you be against the team trying to get him? with all his transgressions? Sometimes the character police need to look the other way. sometimes.

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The big question is what type of QB are MS and KS looking for? We fans can all day say Luck is the perfect QB... the best of the best coming out. But he might not have something our coaches are looking for. Same with RGIII. RGIII is probably a great QB for a team who will be looking to expect the QB to make some runs similar to what the Panthers are doing with Newton. Will KS work with that? call plays just for that?

Fans here screamed for Beck because he was more mobile and honestly I didn't see KS calling plays that would benifit that. It seemed like KS wanted a QB to sit in the pocket, roll out when he wanted the QB to roll out. All I'm saying is the top two might not be the QB our coaches are even looking at.

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[quote=SBXVII;874587]The big question is what type of QB are MS and KS looking for? We fans can all day say Luck is the perfect QB... the best of the best coming out. But he might not have something our coaches are looking for. Same with RGIII. RGIII is probably a great QB for a team who will be looking to expect the QB to make some runs similar to what the Panthers are doing with Newton. Will KS work with that? call plays just for that?

Fans here screamed for Beck because he was more mobile and honestly I didn't see KS calling plays that would benifit that. It seemed like KS wanted a QB to sit in the pocket, roll out when he wanted the QB to roll out. All I'm saying is the top two might not be the QB our coaches are even looking at.[/quote]

The Shanahan's decision-making with the QB position has been terrible during their time here in DC. They are already a year behind in rebuilding (McNabb set this organization back a year) and I am afraid this offseason they are going to do what they should have done last offseason (pick up a second round QB or later). Unless there is a tremendous red flag, I really wish they would go after RG3. Maybe they can find the next Andy Dalton between Tannenhill or Foles, but I don't know if that lighting can strike twice. Let's just hope that Flynn turns out to be the next Schaub and not the next Kolb/Whitehurst.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;874554]Thanks for a bit of info there NC. Had no idea that he was rethinking his decision.[/quote]

I think even he didn't even know what he was going to do.


[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7447477/2012-nfl-draft-qb-robert-griffin-iii-telling-baylor-bears-going-pro]2012 NFL draft -- QB Robert Griffin III telling Baylor Bears he's going pro - ESPN[/url]


Looks like it's back to going pro.

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[quote=NC_Skins;874642]I think even he didn't even know what he was going to do.


[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7447477/2012-nfl-draft-qb-robert-griffin-iii-telling-baylor-bears-going-pro]2012 NFL draft -- QB Robert Griffin III telling Baylor Bears he's going pro - ESPN[/url]


Looks like it's back to going pro.[/quote]

He wanted to be formal.

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[quote=SBXVII;874584]If Blackmon is available then I'd say take that WR over Floyd but I think Blackmon will be gone. I presume you issue is his character but I'd challenge by asking did you have the same issue's with Taylor when he was still alive? spitting on opponants and getting a DUI? How about TW and Davis? should we trade them away?

Young men will be young men. They make mistakes/poor choices. If Big Ben was available would you be against the team trying to get him? with all his transgressions? Sometimes the character police need to look the other way. sometimes.[/quote]

Good points with Taylor, Davis and Williams. I would counter by saying that Floyd hasn't even left college and is getting into all this trouble, imagine when he has the money and fame...ST changed his life when he had his baby girl and realized that she was more important than him partying it up driving drunk etc. (however going after someone with a machete isn't exactly the smartest thing to do)

Davis and Trent I don't remember off the top of my head, but Williams was 'would be an all pro if he tries and gives his full effort; not being so lazy' Davis I just remember him missing a meeting because he overslept. He hasn't done that since, he's just messed with weed numerous times. That is bad and greatly hurts his playing career, but whats worse, drunk driving and risking yours and someone elses life, or smoking weed?

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andrew_perloff/01/10/2012.nfl.mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2]Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III top our first 2012 NFL mock draft - Andrew Perloff - SI.com[/url]

Look at this mock draft.

I swear to fawking god if we waste another top ten first round pick on the secondary I will scream.

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[quote=mredskins;874650][url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andrew_perloff/01/10/2012.nfl.mock.draft/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2]Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III top our first 2012 NFL mock draft - Andrew Perloff - SI.com[/url]

Look at this mock draft.

I swear to fawking god if we waste another top ten first round pick on the secondary I will scream.[/quote]

LOL and it's not even the first safety in the draft!!!!!!!!!!

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From what I'm reading the Browns GM loves collecting draft picks. In the meantime if the Rams hire Fischer then that will only open a line of communication for the Skins to move up. Shanahan also has shown in the past that he's willing to move up to take the right QB. And I think it was Smoot that said the Skins like RG3 more then Luck.

As nice as it is to get draft picks we have to consider that we will be much better off getting a viable QB prospect then saying drafting a mediocre QB prospect and someone like Jarvis Jenkins.

[QUOTE]anielWolfNFL Daniel Wolf
I'd be SHOCKED if #Browns considered moving up to No. 2 to pick RG3 as SI.com says in their new mock #NFLDraft. Heckert loves picks too much
1 hour ago [/QUOTE]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;874690] And I think it was Smoot that said the Skins like RG3 more then Luck. [/quote]


Smoot is not the one that said that, it was another insider I scan from time to time on another forum. I'm not sure Smoot agrees with it though based on intel he's received though. (or that would be my assumption) I personally find it hard to believe myself, but I don't study game film like they do.

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I've never heard that they like RG3 more than Luck