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[quote=redskin29633;883003]I'm gonna say Grossman is pride. Redskin attitude is that Rex MUST be good; he HAS to be good; we KNOW he is better than what we have seen so far! For goodness sake, the Redskins signed him to play QB, we know he can PLAY the position. We're too proud to admit otherwise.[/quote]

We would have drafted Grossman if it weren't for Spurrier being locked in the laundry closet!

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[quote=Skinsfanmania;884665]We would have drafted Grossman if it weren't for Spurrier being locked in the laundry closet![/quote]

We also would have drafted Jimmy Clausen at the #4 spot in 2010 had Vinny still been around. :doh:

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and we would have taken cult brennan #19 overall if he had come out a year earlier...

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[quote=Skinsfanmania;884665]We would have drafted Grossman if it weren't for [B]Spurrier being locked in the laundry closet[/B]![/quote]

The point was made earlier about our system being able to protect the QB even without superior talent on the offensive line. That was something Spurrier could never grasp; Patrick Ramsey got hammered every time he threw the football. Spurrier tried to pass it off as Ramsey holding the football too long. While that may have been true at times, SS and staff could never figure out how to protect the QB in 2003. Sack totals did not reflect the extent of the pounding that poor Ramsey took that season. I think SS developed his game plans while locked in aforementioned laundry closet, or he drew up his plays in his oatmeal at the gameday breakfast. What a disaster that was!

I think the Shanaclan has pass protection in good order; we need a little more depth on the offensive line, and Redskins should be solid in that area of the game regardless of who plays QB.

[QUOTE=redskin29633;884768]The point was made earlier about our system being able to protect the QB even without superior talent on the offensive line. That was something Spurrier could never grasp; Patrick Ramsey got hammered every time he threw the football. Spurrier tried to pass it off as Ramsey holding the football too long. While that may have been true at times, SS and staff could never figure out how to protect the QB in 2003. Sack totals did not reflect the extent of the pounding that poor Ramsey took that season. I think SS developed his game plans while locked in aforementioned laundry closet, or he drew up his plays in his oatmeal at the gameday breakfast. What a disaster that was!

I think the Shanaclan has pass protection in good order; we need a little more depth on the offensive line, and Redskins should be solid in that area of the game regardless of who plays QB.[/QUOTE]

My blood runs cold when I think of that clownshoe Spurrier

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Spurrier will forevermore live as the "What's this" guy, in reference to hail.

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Well I'm not saying we're going to sign him, but I am saying what I've already told you. We've got an eye on this situation and would definitely be interested in bringing him to compete

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/31289/panthers-face-decision-on-jimmy-clausen]Panthers face decision on Jimmy Clausen - NFC South Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;885013]Well I'm not saying we're going to sign him, but I am saying what I've already told you. We've got an eye on this situation and would definitely be interested in bringing him to compete

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/31289/panthers-face-decision-on-jimmy-clausen]Panthers face decision on Jimmy Clausen - NFC South Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Who? ;)

I'll take Manning or Orton and a drafted prospect over Clausen...just never liked the guy as an NFL caliber QB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;885013]Well I'm not saying we're going to sign him, but I am saying what I've already told you. We've got an eye on this situation and would definitely be interested in bringing him to compete

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/31289/panthers-face-decision-on-jimmy-clausen]Panthers face decision on Jimmy Clausen - NFC South Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Who does Carolina have behind Clausen? What incentive do they actually have to get rid of him?

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^Whelp... I probably should have just read the article before posting. Questions rescinded.

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[quote=SmootSmack;885013]Well I'm not saying we're going to sign him, but I am saying what I've already told you. We've got an eye on this situation and would definitely be interested in bringing him to compete

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/31289/panthers-face-decision-on-jimmy-clausen]Panthers face decision on Jimmy Clausen - NFC South Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]


Somewhere, Vinny Cerrato is rubbing his hands furiously together while letting out a cackling cry of glee.

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[quote=NC_Skins;885021]Somewhere, Vinny Cerrato is rubbing his hands furiously together while letting out a cackling cry of glee.[/quote]

Ugh... I guess this is somewhat of a vindication of Vinny Cerrato if we end up picking up Clausen. That sucks. Though, I guess Vinny felt Clausen could be a starting caliber player right out of the gate. Shanny and Kyle seem to understand that Clausen is purely backup grade material.

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Manning, Clausen, and Cousins has a nice ring to it

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[quote=mbedner3420;885023]Ugh... I guess this is somewhat of a vindication of Vinny Cerrato is we end up picking up Clausen. That sucks. Though, I guess Vinny felt Clausen could be a starting caliber player right out of the gate. Shanny and Kyle seem to understand that Clausen is purely backup grade material.[/quote]

The fact he wasn't even activated for a single game last year speaks volumes really. That said, I think Mike/Kyle will kick the tires on many QBs. Hell, they even brought JaMarcus Fail in for a spin. Ugghhh.

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[quote=Chico23231;885024]Manning, Clausen, and Cousins has a nice ring to it[/quote]

Your last name must be Shanahan

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[quote=SmootSmack;885031]Your last name must be Shanahan[/quote]

Hey wait, what happened to Tannehill? I'm all in for Tannehill.

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[quote=mbedner3420;885033]Hey wait, what happened to Tannehill? I'm all in for Tannehill.[/quote]

Various options being considered

Besides we all know that Manning's going to the Jets and the Redskins are getting Mark Sanchez :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;885037]Various options being considered

Besides we all know that Manning's going to the Jets and the [B]Redskins are getting Mark Sanchez[/B] :)[/quote]

Ugh... Somebody ban this Smootsmack guy :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;885037]Various options being considered

Besides we all know that Manning's going to the Jets and the Redskins are getting Mark Sanchez :)[/quote]

[IMG]http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x149/EmperorArchfiend/stop-that.jpg[/IMG]

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Interesting article.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/36229/mike-mike-on-manning-to-redskins]Mike & Mike on Manning-to-Redskins - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;885031]Your last name must be Shanahan[/quote]

Id take that crew of QB coming into camp no problem.

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[quote=mbedner3420;885038]Ugh... Somebody ban this Smootsmack guy :)[/quote]

LOL. I'm sorry, you're right. We're getting Colt McCoy...and Jordan Shipley

In all seriousness, as far as potential FAs (aside from Manning and I guess Orton, though I'm not as sure about the intensity of that one) names I most often here are Hoyer (I know he's restricted), Josh Johnson, Clausen. Others, of course, are mentioned here and there (like Dennis Dixon) but none with the frequency of the first three.

And I don't think that even Josh Johnson is that strong a rumor, quite frankly.

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Peyton or bust for me... lol...

Give me that guy a backup and a rookie. That's all I want for Christmas. :)

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Has Tannehill confirmed that he won't be participating at the Combine this year? Wasn't sure if anyone has heard.

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[quote=SmootSmack;885043]LOL. I'm sorry, you're right. We're getting Colt McCoy...and Jordan Shipley

In all seriousness, as far as potential FAs (aside from Manning and I guess Orton, though I'm not as sure about the intensity of that one) names I most often here are Hoyer (I know he's restricted), Josh Johnson, Clausen. Others, of course, are mentioned here and there (like Dennis Dixon) but none with the frequency of the first three.

And I don't think that even Josh Johnson is that strong a rumor, quite frankly.[/quote]

Of all the NFL QBs, Hoyer is easily my favorite option (depending on the price, of course).

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[quote=mbedner3420;885046]Has Tannehill confirmed that he won't be participating at the Combine this year? Wasn't sure if anyone has heard.[/quote]

This article mentions that he will not...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5d826ec29c/article/luck-griffin-tannehill-top-qb-prospects-entering-combine]NFL.com news: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill top QB prospects entering combine[/url]

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So apparently the Lions have told Shaun Hill they want him back, which I guess means they've chosen him over Drew Stanton

I could see some teams being interested in Stanton

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[quote=SmootSmack;885080]So apparently the Lions have told Shaun Hill they want him back, which I guess means they've chosen him over Drew Stanton

I could see some teams being interested in Stanton[/quote]

Was Stanton the guy that was so unaware he ran out the back of the endzone for a safety a couple years ago? Or am I thinking of Dan Orlovsky?

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[quote=mooby;885083]Was Stanton the guy that was so unaware he ran out the back of the endzone for a safety a couple years ago? Or am I thinking of [B]Dan Orlovsky[/B]?[/quote]

Orlovsky...

[IMG]http://youarestruggling.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/orlovsky1.jpg[/IMG]

:hitfan:

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:laughing2

Horrible. I don't know much about Stanton, other than he's a backup.

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[quote=Ruhskins;885051]This article mentions that he will not...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/09000d5d826ec29c/article/luck-griffin-tannehill-top-qb-prospects-entering-combine]NFL.com news: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill top QB prospects entering combine[/url][/quote]


Hopefully that works in our favor. Drops down to the 2nd round and we can snatch him up. :D

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Stanton is a poor mans Chad Henne.

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Interesting that Brock Osweiler is now in Scout Inc.'s top 32 with a grade of 90 and ranked 22nd over all.

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[quote=NM Redskin;885110]Interesting that Brock Osweiler is now in Scout Inc.'s top 32 with a grade of 90 and ranked 22nd over all.[/quote]

McShay, whom I think is a joke of a scouter (see Jevan Snead) said that the more and more he's watched of Brock, the more and more he's convinced he'll be great.

Matt Miller of NFL New Era Scouting who also works for, wait for it... Bleacher Report! Said the he's pissed that Arizona made him throw curls and flare out's and laterals and not more posts, outs, digs, streaks, etc. He said had they of done that with him, he'd probably be top 10...

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[quote=SmootSmack;885013]Well I'm not saying we're going to sign him, but I am saying what I've already told you. We've got an eye on this situation and would definitely be interested in bringing him to compete

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/31289/panthers-face-decision-on-jimmy-clausen]Panthers face decision on Jimmy Clausen - NFC South Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Stuck down here in Panthers territory, I saw Clausen more than anyone would ever want to see him, except perhaps his mother. He seems to lack some of the basic skills required to play QB in the NFL. Does not read the def well, does not seem to see the obvious, slow delivery, not very good on the deep ball, does not have escapability from the pocket, and does not have field presence (just does not look confident). Rex wins competition against him, hands down. Clausen is really closer to Beck than Grossman.

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[quote=NM Redskin;885110]Interesting that Brock Osweiler is now in Scout Inc.'s top 32 with a grade of 90 and ranked 22nd over all.[/quote]

I'm telling you, over the weekend I watched some film of him and came away impressed. He's gangly when he runs but otherwise he throws well and gets the yardage with his feet if need be.

I'd get PM, Weeden, and Osweiler. Osweiler is supposedly a 4-5th round pick..... yeah right.

Take PM.
Get some (2) FA WR's.
Trade back in the draft.
Take Weeden (maturity-age) late 1st.
Take Osweiler second round.

This way we have PM if healthy and two, not one, but two healthy young QB's to develope and hope one pans out if not both.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;885117]McShay, whom I think is a joke of a scouter (see Jevan Snead) said that the more and more he's watched of Brock, the more and more he's convinced he'll be great.[/quote]


A 2010 article about McShay....lol

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/todd-mcshay-backlash-builds/]Todd McShay backlash builds | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[quote]Remember, last August he stated that Jevan Snead was better than Colt McCoy and would get drafted in the top five. He has yet to publicly retract that statement.

“One of the reasons the kid came out was because of what McShay said. The family thought McShay knew and everyone else was wrong. . . . He has problems with game management, accuracy and leadership among other things, but pretty boy Todd thought he was great because of one good game (the Cotton Bowl) a year ago. McShay is a pretty face who comes across like he knows what he is talking about. He does have good presence, but knows nothing.”

A common name we’ve heard when it comes to McShay is Andre Woodson. McShay championed Woodson during the 2007 season. Woodson ended up being a sixth-round pick, and he’s now out of the league.

The teams knew that Woodson wasn’t as good as McShay was saying. The problem is that the player and his family don’t have access to what the teams are thinking. The player and his family see and hear the stuff that gets played on television, and they tend to believe it when ESPN attaches to the talking head the phony, official-sounding title of “director of college scouting.”[/quote]


Interesting note about Clausen since he's relevant in this discussion. Apparently some scouts thought he was highly talented.


[quote]“On draft day McShay will look like a fool because whether or not you like Clausen as a person he is very talented,” the source said. “He has more training and game time in a pro system than any quarterback in the draft. His improvement from ’08 to ’09 was tremendous. If Notre Dame had a defense, Charlie Weis would still be there coaching. Offense was not the problem.
I will agree that Clausen may have some A-hole in him but he is extremely talented. He has a strong arm and is very accurate. Plus he has played a lot in a pro system.”[/quote]

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[quote=NC_Skins;885121]A 2010 article about McShay....lol

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/31/todd-mcshay-backlash-builds/]Todd McShay backlash builds | ProFootballTalk[/url]




Interesting note about [B]Clausen since he's relevant in this discussion. Apparently some scouts thought he was highly talented.[/B]/quote]

That's not what I saw in Charlotte in 2010! He was awful.

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[quote=redskin29633;885124]That's not what I saw in Charlotte in 2010! He was awful.[/quote]

SO was the whole football team. They won 2 games. They still are.

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[quote=NC_Skins;885125]SO was the whole football team. They won 2 games. They still are.[/quote]

Very true. I suppose the situation they had in 2010 can make an individual player look worse than he actually is, but it is hard to deny some of Clausen's flaws.