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Update those Chris Russell tweets Ruhskins :cool-smil

Seems he's fine.

Edit: Matty is on top of things

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Phew!

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O-line, Polumbus looked pretty good last night.. Guess the sky is not falling yet, and RG3's mobility wasn't even on display yesterday. Maybe Shanhan does know what he's doing on the O-line?

Still, will need to continue to watch until the reg season.

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How about Shanahan names Polumbus the starter and trade Brown back to the Saints for that 3rd round pick we gave up?

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I saw on TV last night that the x-rays were negative, so Williams should be fine. He said he wasn't sure if he'd practice at the beginning of the week, but that there shouldn't be any long-term issues.

He was injured on the touchdown play and I have to say, both Garcon and RGIII owe him some beignets. Williams was 10 yards downfield and blocked two Bills players to clear the lane. Glad to see him moving closer to his potential.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;930007]How about Shanahan names Polumbus the starter and trade Brown back to the Saints for that 3rd round pick we gave up?[/quote]

Makes perfect sense, there isn't anything that might have lowered his value since then.

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Can we call our offensive line Little China? Because I really want to change this thread title to Big Trouble in Little China

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I think we might owe the OL a bit of an apology right now. I thought they held their own against a pretty talented front.

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[quote=Mattyk;930046]I think we might owe the OL a bit of an apology right now. I thought they held their own against a pretty talented front.[/quote]

Agreed. Bills have one of the best if not THE best front line in football. For having three regular non-starters I think we did pretty well. Can't say Polumbus didn't do well against Mario Williams.

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It's preseason, so I take it all with a grain of salt.

BUT ... seems to me, from what I saw last night, the FO's decision to prioritize Garcon over a RT looked pretty rock solid.

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[quote=Mattyk;930046]I think we might owe the OL a bit of an apology right now. I thought they held their own against a pretty talented front.[/quote]

I think once they got going they played well. They were getting crushed in the run game the first series.

I think before we "crown there ass" the new hogs we should let them play an entire regular season game. But much to their credit, the pass protection was outstanding. Gettis surprised me the most on the line, he was getting out there on the scoring drive in run blocking...Polumbus handle Mario in pass protection. The worst play I saw, Monty get crushed once on a run play

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[quote=SmootSmack;930045]Can we call our offensive line Little China? Because I really want to change this thread title to Big Trouble in Little China[/quote]

I second this.

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[quote=Mattyk;930046]I think we might owe the OL a bit of an apology right now. I thought they held their own against a pretty talented front.[/quote]

Yeah, the Bills D-line is going to be a force to be reckoned with this season and our o-line did a good job against them.

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[quote=Mattyk;930046]I think we might owe the OL a bit of an apology right now. I thought they held their own against a pretty talented front.[/quote]

Is it too early to start cooking the crow stew? :cheeky-sm

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Those 12 plays our offensive line did wonderful...sigh

We are going to have problems here folks, with little cap room to fix it next season, RG3 will have to wait until 2014 for a very good one.

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What happened to Willie Smith. I thought we had something there. Now he is not even third string.

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All in All, I'm real proud of our guys....especially the O-line. Come what may, they handled a formidable group last night!

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[quote=Mattyk;930046]I think we might owe the OL a bit of an apology right now. I thought they held their own against a pretty talented front.[/quote]

Still too early to say. I like what I saw pass blocking... not so much in the run game though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;930045]Can we call our offensive line Little China? Because I really want to change this thread title to Big Trouble in Little China[/quote]

LOL.....thats been driving me nuts all week.

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[quote=tryfuhl;930209]Still too early to say. I like what I saw pass blocking... not so much in the run game though.[/quote]

Considering the name of this thread, and some thinking the line was so bad that RG3 shouldn't even play... I think they did pretty good.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;930050]It's preseason, so I take it all with a grain of salt.

BUT ... seems to me, from what I saw last night, the FO's decision to prioritize Garcon over a RT looked pretty rock solid.[/quote]

I'm sure other teams wanted Garçon. When they didn't get him, they bad-mouthed his contract.

[QUOTE=RGIII;930215]I'm sure other teams wanted Garçon. When they didn't get him, they bad-mouthed his contract.[/QUOTE]

Some here were also questioning/criticizing the FO's pursuit of Garcon and doubting his ability to be a number 1 WR.

I doubt Gafney, for example, makes those plays even in preseason.

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Garcon really shined in his YAC on the touchdown play...nice moves
LOVED the "drop the shoulder" attitude on the defender on the pass over the middle.....
Can't wait to see more!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;930050]BUT ... seems to me, from what I saw last night, the FO's decision to prioritize Garcon over a RT looked pretty rock solid.[/quote]Time will tell, imo its far to early to jump to any conclusions.
Garcon didn't do anything special last night.
That is not meant as a slight but as an objective observation.
On the other hand isolating the RT: Polumbus was often pushed back and as whole the 1st unit run blocking was poor.
The pass protection was good because it was well schemed by situation.
Griffin had well defined reads, got the ball out quick the Bills didn't blitz and were not in pin the ears back pass rush mode.
IIRC all his throws were out under 2.8-2.8 seconds.
I think an objective look tells us we shouldn't/can't glean anything conclusive from 1 preseason game.

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[quote=30gut;930242]Time will tell, imo its far to early to jump to any conclusions.
Garcon didn't do anything special last night.
That is not meant as a slight but as an objective observation.
On the other hand isolating the RT: Polumbus was often pushed back and as whole the 1st unit run blocking was poor.
The pass protection was good because it was well schemed by situation.
Griffin had well defined reads, got the ball out quick the Bills didn't blitz and were not in pin the ears back pass rush mode.
IIRC all his throws were out under 2.8-2.8 seconds.
I think an objective look tells us we shouldn't/can't glean anything conclusive from 1 preseason game.[/quote]

Yeah I have to agree with your observation.

Polumbus was going against Mario Williams though, so keep that in mind. As for Garcon yeah I mean he made a play on some very vanilla defense coverages. We'll really know how good he is on some time when we play new orleans. I still don't like Garcon doing that flip, yet alone in the preaseason...
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=MErNtJF_PxA&NR=1]AD's final run as a Sooner - YouTube[/url] he broke his collar bone on this play

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Haven't had a chance to read all the posts but heard Compton played well and could be a starting RT in the waiting.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;930246]Haven't had a chance to read all the posts but heard Compton played well and could be a starting RT in the waiting.[/quote]

could be a starting RT in the waiting..we'll lets hold off on that. But yeah in terms of him, a 6th round rookie, going against 2nd stringers on the bills at LT, he did very well. Since its preseason next week would be a good time to put him at starting RT to give it a try and see what happens.

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Saw Compton get schooled a couple of times. Good developmental guy but he's got a long way to go.

I think Griffin and Trent Williams will both make this line look much better come regular season time.

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Hopefully the the next opponent(s) will through some blitzes and stunts at them so we'll know how they'll fare against them.

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[quote=30gut;930242]Time will tell, imo its far to early to jump to any conclusions.[/quote]
Yup. I agree. My limited point was that in the opening quarter of the opening preseason game, the FO's emphasis on WR, and, specifically, their targeting of Garcon received positive reinforcement. Time, as you say, may change that. However, the first news was good news.

[quote=30gut;930242]Garcon didn't do anything special last night.
That is not meant as a slight but as an objective observation.[/quote]
Again, see above. No, he did nothing eye popping - good or bad. He performed routine plays in the manner a true No. 1 WR should. Against vanilla D - he found the spots, made the catches and displayed some nice YAC ability. All things we lacked in our No. 1 WR spot last year.

[quote=30gut;930242]On the other hand isolating the RT: Polumbus was often pushed back and as whole the 1st unit run blocking was poor.
The pass protection was good because it was well schemed by situation.[/quote]

As someone said, Polumbus was going against MW. In limited play, in a preseason game against a vanilla D, he performed adequately against an elite D-end.

As to the scheme, I absolutely agree. I also think that scheme as to blocking covers a host evils. W/out WR's who can consistently make individual YAC contributions, however, your passing game is consistently limited to the the distance the QB can accurately throw the ball downfied.

[quote=30gut;930242]Griffin had well defined reads, got the ball out quick the Bills didn't blitz and were not in pin the ears back pass rush mode.
IIRC all his throws were out under 2.8-2.8 seconds.[/quote]
Yup. All true ... and, in a situation wherein the passing game should function well, with Griffin, Garcon and Polumbus, it did. That's a good thing and was not necessarily true of the 2nd and 3rd team offenses. Further, it has not been true of our [I]1st team offenses[/I] in past preseasons.
[quote=30gut;930242]I think an objective look tells us we shouldn't/can't glean anything conclusive from 1 preseason game.[/quote]

And, again, I agree as to the term conclusive. What we can say, and which you seem to be fighting tooth and nail not to say, is "They looked good". You may add as many disclaimer's to the bottom line as you wish, but the truth is that both the player's and the FO should get a[I] preliminary [/I]passing grade based on this 1st outing.

All I know is if the OL looked like total garbage, I don't think we would be saying eh, it's only 1 game.

Yes it was a limited look and we shouldn't take too much from it either way, but it was a solid start.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;930257]All I know is if the OL looked like total garbage, I don't think we would be saying eh, it's only 1 game.

Yes it was a limited look and we shouldn't take too much from it either way, but it was a solid start.[/QUOTE]

That's what I've been saying! No sacks on griff heck not even touched. Trent blocked well on pass pro no big time issues so far

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[quote=JoeRedskin;930254]And, again, I agree as to the term conclusive. What we can say, and which you seem to be fighting tooth and nail not to say, is "They looked good".[/quote]Woah there, no need to be a mind reader or make false assumptions.
Lets be very clear this isn't a discussion about whether the OL looked good.
I responded directly to this statement that [I][B]you[/B][/I] made:[quote=your statement]the FO's decision to prioritize Garcon over a RT looked pretty rock solid.[/quote]

In fact if you said that some OL looked good I might have actually agree with you. (Gettis (who actually had a pancake), Compton).
But it takes a certain amount of dishonestly/homerism for your net take away about the OL and specifically the RT positions level of play was good enough to justify anything.
Espcially considering the 1st unit struggled with their run blocking assignment and Polumbus in particular had a number of push-backs and whiffs.

Level of opposition is not a justification for grading poor play on a curve.


You can't agree with this:
[quote]I think an objective look tells us we shouldn't/can't glean anything conclusive from 1 preseason game.[/quote]And say this at the same time:[quote=you] both the player's and the FO should get a[I] preliminary [/I]passing grade based on this 1st outing[/quote]Without coming across as hypocritical.

Its like saying: we can't take anything conclusive away from the 1st preseason game except that the FO decision to sign Garcon justifies them not addressing the RT.

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[quote=Chico23231;929309]dude it was the mid ninties, of course I was. Natural Born is a visual masterpiece.[/quote]

NBK sure has a killer soundtrack, I'll give it that.

The movie is a bit of a hot mess though. Hot mess in a good way.

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This OL isn't built for the power running game. That's ok.

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Same ole same ole. If this season is subpar, Shanny can blame the O line. Shoot you can blame the oline all you want. This situation should have been rectified with Gibbs and Zorn. Never trade anymore picks for any questionable veteran with health issues, especially o linemen. Every draft should have at least 3 o linemen in it so you might get some new starters or at least some young depth at that position.

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That being said, it will be a good season for us. I am not going to predict a record, but whatever happens the future will look bright. Next draft better see a bunch of o linemen selected.

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[quote=tryfuhl;930209]Still too early to say. I like what I saw pass blocking... not so much in the run game though.[/quote]

I like the game plan for the run game with the starters. They realize the strength in the left side so they test the right all night and got them in a rhythm by the end of te TD drive. I honestly thought this was a well excited plan by the coaches.

[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;930275]That being said, it will be a good season for us. I am not going to predict a record, but whatever happens the future will look bright. Next draft better see a bunch of o linemen selected.[/QUOTE]

Honestly I'd say 8-8 would be a really good start for griff