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[quote=Gtothearry;993957]Unless he gets to the 6th round I'll pass on the tea leaves. He has headaches written all over him.[/quote]

They said the same about Vontaze Burfict and others. i will use a 3rd on him.

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[quote=30gut;993782]I can't imagine any profession that can match the earning potential of a back-up QB in the NFL. Not to mention the networking opportunities in broadcasting. Strange/wrong decision imo.[/quote]

Maybe he values being with his family on a regular basis instead of in the film room, weight room, trainer's room, bus, airplane and hotel all the time.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;993958]They said the same about Vontaze Burfict and others. i will use a 3rd on him.[/quote]

Vontaze had first round talent, Mathieu was not a first round prospect even before getting kicked off. He was a second round prospect that struggles in man to man, lacks elite speed and lacks size. But he should be available in the later rounds and would definitely be worth taking by then.

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[quote=SkinzWin;993960]Maybe he values being with his family on a regular basis instead of in the film room, weight room, trainer's room, bus, airplane and hotel all the time.[/quote]

True that, maybe he is stable financially and used football to pay for school and dreamed of pursuing another career.

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[quote=donofriose;993964]Vontaze had first round talent, Mathieu was not a first round prospect even before getting kicked off. He was a second round prospect that struggles in man to man, lacks elite speed and lacks size. But he should be available in the later rounds and would definitely be worth taking by then.[/quote]

You sure about not having first round talent? Again that was said about Brandon Flowers as well. Not many have elite speed, but I think 4.4 to 4.5 is fast enough for him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;993958]They said the same about Vontaze Burfict and others. i will use a 3rd on him.[/quote]
What about the guy from the Rams, almost won defensive rookie of the year. Some guys grow up.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;993967]What about the guy from the Rams, almost won defensive rookie of the year. Some guys grow up.[/quote]

Janoris Jenkins, some weed is what people are saying he shouldnt be touched unitl the 6th round for.

Some weed could cost the Skins big time if Trent or Fred pick it up again.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;993966]You sure about not having first round talent? Again that was said about Brandon Flowers as well. Not many have elite speed, but I think 4.4 to 4.5 is fast enough for him.[/quote]

Except flowers excels with man coverage and yes I am sure, a lot of NFL analysts didnt have him as a first round prospect. Unlike Jenkins, burfict or othe players that had first round grades but dropped. I loved Jenkins and burfict coming out, but I don't think Matthieu is in the same ball park because he doesn't have the same NFL skills those players have. Still I like him in the later rounds. Not the third though.

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[quote=donofriose;993987]Except flowers excels with man coverage and yes I am sure, a lot of NFL analysts didnt have him as a first round prospect. Unlike Jenkins, burfict or othe players that had first round grades but dropped. I loved Jenkins and burfict coming out, but I don't think Matthieu is in the same ball park because he doesn't have the same NFL skills those players have. Still I like him in the later rounds. Not the third though.[/quote]

What's so special about Mathieu? He's too small, he's not particulary fast, and he's not much of a tackler. Even in the later rounds, we can find CB's who are bigger, faster, and better pro prospects than Mathieu.

Adrian Bushell, Blidi Wreh-Wilson, and Leon McFadden come immediately to mind. Check them out.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;994083]What's so special about Mathieu? He's too small, he's not particulary fast, and he's not much of a tackler. Even in the later rounds, we can find CB's who are bigger, faster, and better pro prospects than Mathieu.

Adrian Bushell, Blidi Wreh-Wilson, and Leon McFadden come immediately to mind. Check them out.[/quote]

Too Small? Same size as Brandon Flowers so that isn't an issue, not particulary fast? I would say a 4.5 is fast enough to play CB/S, not much of a tackler? Led LSU in tackles in 2011 with pro prospects such as Morris Claiborne, Brandon Taylor, Kevin Minter, Ryan Baker, Sam Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo, Michael Brockers, Eric Reid, Ron Brooks, and Anthony Johnson. Also, was a heisman finalist from the CB position and can return kicks. But, yeah he sucks. If he hadn't gotten kicked off the team for smoking pot would anyone be saying what is so special about him. But that too small argument is an agrument that needs to be put to bed forever. If the man can play, he can play

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[quote=donofriose;993987]Except flowers excels with man coverage and yes I am sure, a lot of NFL analysts didnt have him as a first round prospect. Unlike Jenkins, burfict or othe players that had first round grades but dropped. I loved Jenkins and burfict coming out, but I don't think Matthieu is in the same ball park because he doesn't have the same NFL skills those players have. Still I like him in the later rounds. Not the third though.[/quote]

76 tackles 1.5 sacks 6 forced fumbles 4 fumble recoveries 2 interceptions is a first round talent to me, I get he hasnt played in a year but to say he isnt worth more than a late round (5th-7th) is a bit of a stretch. Someone will take a chance on him in the 2nd or 3rd and get a special player.

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Mathieu is the same heigh as antonie winfield. Its more so his weight that isn't NFL effective-a reported 178lbs. His speed is good. His stats are good. LSUs defense would use him in special packages to cover up his poor man coverage skills. Yes he did play man, but not as much as he played zone or blitzed.

I've said it before with mathieu, he can play. And if he can't play defense in the nfl, then the least he can do is be a great kick and punt returner. 3rd round is the earliest I'm going to get him.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;994086]76 tackles 1.5 sacks 6 forced fumbles 4 fumble recoveries 2 interceptions is a first round talent to me, I get he hasnt played in a year but to say he isnt worth more than a late round (5th-7th) is a bit of a stretch. Someone will take a chance on him in the 2nd or 3rd and get a special player.[/quote]

He also allowed 8.8 YPA as compared to claibornes 7.5, and Claiborne went against the best receivers. Stats don't always tell the entire story. If you are going to draft mathieu you have to realize you will have to disguise a lot of his weaknesses. Like I said, he isn't a good true NFL corner. But he is a playmaker. But the skins will still be giving up big plays.

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[quote=donofriose;994127]He also allowed 8.8 YPA as compared to claibornes 7.5, and Claiborne went against the best receivers. Stats don't always tell the entire story. If you are going to draft mathieu you have to realize you will have to disguise a lot of his weaknesses. Like I said, he isn't a good true NFL corner. But he is a playmaker. But the skins will still be giving up big plays.[/quote]

Is other name DeAngelo Hall?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994119]Mathieu is the same heigh as antonie winfield. Its more so his weight that isn't NFL effective-a reported 178lbs. His speed is good. His stats are good. LSUs defense would use him in special packages to cover up his poor man coverage skills. Yes he did play man, but not as much as he played zone or blitzed.

I've said it before with mathieu, he can play. And if he can't play defense in the nfl, then the least he can do is be a great kick and punt returner. 3rd round is the earliest I'm going to get him.[/quote]

Except Winfield has actual cover skills. Mathieu doesn't have good cover speed. What I mean by that is you see some defenders get beat but they recover but mathieu doesn't have that. Like I said you put him in space/blitz he will make plays but if you expect him to go against victor Cruz and play well. He will get beat often. Later rounds is probably where he will and should go.

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[quote=donofriose;994142]Except Winfield has actual cover skills. Mathieu doesn't have good cover speed. What I mean by that is you see some defenders get beat but they recover but mathieu doesn't have that. Like I said you put him in space/blitz he will make plays but if you expect him to go against victor Cruz and play well. He will get beat often. Later rounds is probably where he will and should go.[/quote]

I was just saying he's the same height as Winfield. Never said he covers like him, Todd.

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I am playing him at safety anyways if I draft him, we will have to agree to disagree here. Either away I want him, reminds me of Troy Polamalu, not the best in coverage but always around the ball making playd. Plus he is a good return Man.

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[quote=donofriose;993964][U]Vontaze had first round talent,[/U] Mathieu was not a first round prospect even before getting kicked off. He was a second round prospect that struggles in man to man, lacks elite speed and lacks size. But he should be available in the later rounds and would definitely be worth taking by then.[/quote]


Not sure I"m buying that. He wouldn't have went undrafted simply due to character concerns alone. Much of the concerns were about his football ability as well.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/mayock-calls-vontaze-burfict-a-non-draftable-kid/]Mayock calls Vontaze Burfict a “non-draftable kid” | ProFootballTalk[/url]


[quote]NFL Network’s Mike Mayock doesn’t think there’s a whole lot left to talk about. He has Burfict rated as an undrafted free agent.

“I put his tape on with absolutely zero preconceived notions,” Mayock explained in a Thursday conference call with media. “I watched three tapes and really didn’t like him as a football player.

“I think he’s a non-draftable kid. For me, he’s a free agent.”[/quote]


Mayock was probably one of the only few that graded him as undraftable. (on talent alone)


Now, whether Vontaze used that as motivation to be better is another story all together. We really don't know if he's going to sustain this or go back to being aloof with his career once he thinks he's made it.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;994166]I am playing him at safety anyways if I draft him, we will have to agree to disagree here. Either away I want him, reminds me of Troy Polamalu, not the best in coverage but always around the ball making playd. Plus he is a good return Man.[/quote]

Troy Polamalu weighs 210 pounds. Tyrann Mathieu weighs 175 pounds.

If we draft Mathieu as a CB I'll be fine with it, even though I think there are better CB prospects out there. He might make it at CB but a 175 pound safety isn't going to hold up physically in the NFL.

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[quote=NC_Skins;994170]Not sure I"m buying that. He wouldn't have went undrafted simply due to character concerns alone. Much of the concerns were about his football ability as well.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/19/mayock-calls-vontaze-burfict-a-non-draftable-kid/]Mayock calls Vontaze Burfict a “non-draftable kid” | ProFootballTalk[/url]





Mayock was probably one of the only few that graded him as undraftable. (on talent alone)


Now, whether Vontaze used that as motivation to be better is another story all together. We really don't know if he's going to sustain this or go back to being aloof with his career once he thinks he's made it.[/quote]

In the beginning of the draft talk (around January) he was a first round talent by a lot of scouts. I remember a lot of mock drafts coming out and he would always be penciled in for the ravens pick which was 30th including kipers. Now as the draft process went along he fell and kept falling. Cause of the combine, questions of work ethic and on the field questions (like the most flags in the NCAA for unsportmans like conduct). It will be interesting to see but it seems he got in shape and I'm sure the bengals are happy to have him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;994171]Troy Polamalu weighs 210 pounds. Tyrann Mathieu weighs 175 pounds.

If we draft Mathieu as a CB I'll be fine with it, even though I think there are better CB prospects out there. He might make it at CB but a 175 pound safety isn't going to hold up physically in the NFL.[/quote]

I was referring to Polamalu's playing style, as far as weighing 175lbs, I dont see why he can't put on 10-15 pounds of muscle.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1526754-the-most-overlooked-players-in-the-2013-nfl-draft]The Most Overlooked Players in the 2013 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report[/url]

Reggie Dunn, Quanterus Smith, Brandon Kaufman all are worth getting late

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For all you Mathieu fans (myself included)
[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/40968/321/a-violent-collision-seeker]A Violent Collision Seeker - Evaluations - Rotoworld.com[/url]

#5 is what I've been saying all along

If he is drafted before the 3rd I'll be highly surprised. Mid 20's I definitely don't see that happening.

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2nd: Eric Reid S/Matt Elam/Phillip Thomas FS
3rd: Slyvester Williams DE
4th: Zaviar Gooden ILB
5th: Chris Harper WR
5th: Reid Fragel OT
6th: Cierre Wood RB
7th: Shamarko Thomas SAF

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1529185-small-school-studs-in-the-2013-nfl-draft-class]Small-School Studs in the 2013 NFL Draft Class | Bleacher Report[/url]

Quantarus Smith DE/OLB Western Kentucky is a guy that intrigues me. He had 3 sacks against alabamas offensive line (the most they gave up to one player all year; and they went against Jarvis Jones and DeMontre Moore who are both top 10 prospects)

Also just for pure fun

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Manti is the one in the fireman hat and Barrett Jones (another prospect I've completely forgotten about) is in the front holding up a dumbell in the beginning

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[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42558/60/mayocks-top-five-rankings?pg=1]Mayock's Top-Five Rankings - NFL Draft Preview - Rotoworld.com[/url]



Guards
1. Chance Warmack, Alabama
2. Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina
3. Larry Warford, Kentucky
4. Kyle Long, Oregon
5. Brian Winters, Kent State




Cornerbacks
1. Dee Milliner*, Alabama
2. Xavier Rhodes*, Florida State
3. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
4. Desmond Trufant, Washington
5. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State


Safeties
1. Kenny Vaccaro, Texas
2. Matt Elam*, Florida
3. Johnathan Cyprien, Florida International
4. Eric Reid*, LSU
5. Zeke Motta, Notre Dame

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[url=http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/16/4070696/no-clear-choice-for-chiefs-if.html]No clear choice if Chiefs want to draft a quarterback - KansasCity.com[/url]

Looks like we know the Chiefs aren't selecting a QB. I'm really shocked their GM came out with this.


[quote]“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”
[/quote]


From his stance, these guys probably are not even 1st round material, never the less worthy of a #1 spot. I said earlier they go with the Utah DT, but I probably will change that to Luke Joeckel.

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[url=http://sbn.to/XZ5vOF]Mayock: Several Options for Redskins at Safety and Cornerback in Draft - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;994629][URL="http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/16/4070696/no-clear-choice-for-chiefs-if.html"]No clear choice if Chiefs want to draft a quarterback - KansasCity.com[/URL]

Looks like we know the Chiefs aren't selecting a QB. I'm really shocked their GM came out with this.





From his stance, these guys probably are not even 1st round material, never the less worthy of a #1 spot. I said earlier they go with the Utah DT, but I probably will change that to Luke Joeckel.[/quote]


I think they'll take Joeckel and trade for Flynn or Foles

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[url=http://www.draftcountdown.com/sub/Mock-Draft-A.php]2013 NFL Mock Draft - DraftCountdown.com[/url]

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533464-10-nfl-combine-prospects-that-washington-redskins-must-closely-watch]10 NFL Combine Prospects That Washington Redskins Must Closely Watch | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994913][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533464-10-nfl-combine-prospects-that-washington-redskins-must-closely-watch]10 NFL Combine Prospects That Washington Redskins Must Closely Watch | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

No wonder some of the folks here discount the Bleacher Report! Where did they find this guy Matthew Brown?

According to Brown, Johnathan Cyprien lacks ideal size and range. In fact, Cyprien is 6'1" 210 lbs and has great range.

Brown claims that TJ McDonald is a big hitter. Please! TJ plays like he was an honor student at the DeAngelo Hall School of Tackle Avoidance.

Also, Brown thinks we should consider Ricky Wagner and some guy named Wetzel, both of whom, he admits, are slow-footed and can't pass protect. I don't know anything about Wetzel but I'm certain that Wagner is terrible. Does Brown even know that we are a zone blocking team that requires faster linemen? Besides, who needs an OT who can't pass protect?

He mentions some good players, too, but even a blind squirrel...

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TJ McDonald can hit though. He's one of the more underrated SAF in this class.
Its players like TJ that makes this a deep draft at SAF.
You should check him out there are plenty of his game cut-ups on youtube.

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[quote=30gut;994988]TJ McDonald can hit though. He's one of the more underrated SAF in this class.
Its players like TJ that makes this a deep draft at SAF.
You should check him out there are plenty of his game cut-ups on youtube.[/quote]

I've already said he's the next Kam Chancellor (late pick, not liked much by scouts, solid starter)

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[quote=30gut;994988]TJ McDonald can hit though. He's one of the more underrated SAF in this class.
Its players like TJ that makes this a deep draft at SAF.
You should check him out there are plenty of his game cut-ups on youtube.[/quote]

That's the S I would prefer, his father is Tim McDonald (cards/49ers) and i'm sure he has learned a lot from him. I would not be surprised if he got drafted by the 49ers.

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Redskins have met with UVA tackle Oday Aboushyi

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I wonder if the Skins will now meet with Terron Armstead after that blazing 4.65 40 time for a tackle

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[quote=diehardskin2982;995175]I wonder if the Skins will now meet with Terron Armstead after that blazing 4.65 40 time for a tackle[/quote]

Kyle Long, Vincent Painter, Alvin bailey, Brian schwennke and Lane Johnson are the only other OL who ran in the 4's. Skins will hopefully meet with Long, he'd be a great RT for us.