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[quote=CultBrennan59;971940]I'm still not sold on our defense.

We need to get hits on the QB. WE NEED SACKS. We need BETTER COVERAGE. I personally think the Giants just beat themselves on Monday. They were driving on us from one end of the field all the way to the red zone and their drives would either result in a field goal, or would be an incomplete off the finger tips pass, to force a punt.

Haslett still needs to go at the end of the year.

And like I said, our offense is now our defense, because we've gotten so good teams are going to try what the Giants did; long drive to keep our offense off the field.[/quote]

I concur with everything you stated.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;971940]I'm still not sold on our defense.

We need to get hits on the QB. [B]WE NEED SACKS[/B]. We need [B]BETTER COVERAGE[/B]. I personally think the Giants just beat themselves on Monday. They were driving on us from one end of the field all the way to the red zone and their drives would either result in a field goal, or would be an incomplete off the finger tips pass, to force a punt.

Haslett still needs to go at the end of the year.

And like I said, our offense is now our defense, because we've gotten so good teams are going to try what the Giants did; long drive to keep our offense off the field.[/quote]

How do you this 3/4 through the season? We are not gonna magically aquire talent or our bench guys are not aquire pro bowl talent. You have to scheme and strategize. This is why you pay your D cord and coaches big money. Its on them at this point. They've had zilch to work with in the secondary this season and like Jaws stated above we've lost 2 key rush players. So far the second half of the season Haslett been up to the challenge, holding the Giants and their really good offense to that score was an amazing job. Lets see how this plays out.

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I love Jaws, but I'm not sure what he's talking about saying we confused Eli

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maybe second half? he definitely didnt look as comfortable then as he did in the first half. first half he was KILLING us.

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Giants are a one of the more inconsistent offenses in the league. Looking great one half and then bad the other. Then looking like the best team in the NFL and then looking terrible. They go game to go game looking completely different. Still the defense did not allow touchdowns but they also allowed the giants to hold the ball a ridiculous portion of the first half. A good defensive coordinator gets their team off the field on 3rd and 10's.

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[quote=donofriose;971977]Giants are a one of the more inconsistent offenses in the league. Looking great one half and then bad the other. Then looking like the best team in the NFL and then looking terrible. They go game to go game looking completely different. Still the defense did not allow touchdowns but they also allowed the giants to hold the ball a ridiculous portion of the first half. A good defensive coordinator gets their team off the field on 3rd and 10's.[/quote]

The second half we corrected a poor showing in 3rd conversations. The Giants offense is solid.

Im not saying we dont fire Haslett at end of season, but gotta give the guy credit. The defense is playing better with limited talent.

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[quote=Chico23231;971979]The second half we corrected a poor showing in 3rd conversations. The Giants offense is solid.

Im not saying we dont fire Haslett at end of season, but gotta give the guy credit. The defense is playing better with limited talent.[/quote]

The second half was a lot better but the Giants have been playing like that the entire year. Inconsistent. Awful one week or play like they are the greatest team in the NFL. Like the Tampa Bay game. Awful one half great the next, Cincinnati they looked awful but then they crush the Packers. They score 16 on philly and lose the game and then beat down the 49ers. Defense did a good job for one half, I just would not get too excited and think now we have a capable defense.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;971940]I'm still not sold on our defense.

We need to get hits on the QB. WE NEED SACKS. We need BETTER COVERAGE. I personally think the Giants just beat themselves on Monday. They were driving on us from one end of the field all the way to the red zone and their drives would either result in a field goal, or would be an incomplete off the finger tips pass, to force a punt.

Haslett still needs to go at the end of the year.

And like I said, our offense is now our defense, because we've gotten so good teams are going to try what the Giants did; long drive to keep our offense off the field.[/quote]

You can't just say "we need sacks" or "we need better coverage". At this point in the season, your coverage unit is what is, and your pressure is what it is. What you need is a coach that understands what you do, how you do it, what your opponent is, and how they do it, then maximize your skills to minimize their points.

You say the Giants beat themselves, and I wholeheartedly agree. BUT Why did they beat themselves? Because our defense kept them from executing what they normally do, and made them do it repeatedly, and they didn't.

We are not going to be a shut down corner style team this year ever. We aren't going to win by pure blitz pressure, because our corners don't stand up to that. We will win by forcing the opponents to play mistake free, and not give up quick scores. If we do that, we win.

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one of the most crazy games ever was an Indy - Miami game. Miami's TOP was like 45 minutes. Therefore they must have won, right? nope because Every time Manning had the ball he scored(usually quickly). I see our offense getting to that point. We need to clean up some penalties, and reduce a few mental errors, but had we been down 7 instead of up 1, that 4 minute drive would have been different, and we could likely have scored, certainly if they were up 2, we were in position to kick a fg.

Lets see how we do coming off a 3 week win streak against division rivals. If we are getting where we want to be, this game won't be close.

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[quote=SmootSmack;971972]I love Jaws, but I'm not sure what he's talking about saying we confused Eli[/quote]

Eli always looks confused. Maybe Jaws dldn't know that. :)

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Since the bye the D has shown some signs of improvement. Can't just slam Haslett all the time when the D is playing bad and not acknowledge him when the D is playing better. I'm not a big fan of him but he deserves some credit right now.

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No one has said don't fire Haslett. Just giving him some props for finally realizing when you don't have great personell you have to scheme more to get results. The second half looked a whole lot better than the first. There's some jumpy damn people around here considering we're on a 3 game NFC East asskicking streak.

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If John Beck were still our QB, we would win every game by 75 points. The entire current FO should be fired for not recognizing this.

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[quote=Lotus;972004]If John Beck were still our QB, we would win every game by 75 points. The entire current FO should be fired for not recognizing this.[/quote]

I can sense sarcasm when I see it. Don't be hating on Beck. If it wasn't for Kyle Shanahan Beck would be a Superstar by now.

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[quote=Mattyk;971991]Since the bye the D has shown some signs of improvement. Can't just slam Haslett all the time when the D is playing bad and not acknowledge him when the D is playing better. I'm not a big fan of him but he deserves some credit right now.[/quote]

Haslett is not the problem. I've always sighted the secondary coach as the problem. The Redskins have done better in defense somewhat but they are still giving up long pass plays. That 49 yard pass from Manning to Cruz the other night is a prime example. Another time the secondary was beat was in the first quarter when Manning overthrew Cruz straight down the middle of the field. Madieu Williams had allowed Cruz to get past him like in the first game. This recurring problem has been going on since week 2 when they started playing that sissy soft zone crap.

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Secondary issues lie more with lack of talent/injuries. Morris isn't a miracle worker.

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Yeah we're really playing with very little talent in the secondary. You can't coach talent into someone.

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[quote=53Fan;972020]I can sense sarcasm when I see it. Don't be hating on Beck. If it wasn't for Kyle Shanahan Beck would be a Superstar by now.[/quote]

Lol.

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[quote=FRPLG;972043]Yeah we're really playing with very little talent in the secondary. You can't coach talent into someone.[/quote]

You can beat it in though, can't you?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;971982]You can't just say "we need sacks" or "we need better coverage". At this point in the season, your coverage unit is what is, and your pressure is what it is. What you need is a coach that understands what you do, how you do it, what your opponent is, and how they do it, then maximize your skills to minimize their points.

You say the Giants beat themselves, and I wholeheartedly agree. BUT Why did they beat themselves? Because our defense kept them from executing what they normally do, and made them do it repeatedly, and they didn't.

We are not going to be a shut down corner style team this year ever. We aren't going to win by pure blitz pressure, because our corners don't stand up to that. We will win by forcing the opponents to play mistake free, and not give up quick scores. If we do that, we win.[/quote]

1) I know I can't ask for that at this point of the season. All I'm saying basically and the root of all this is that this defense is not trust worthy and will not get us far.

2) you agree with me that the giants beat themselves; yet you want me to explain why..? Because the Giants were driving on us so well, (pass, run, pass, run..) and then they would get into the redzone and either over throw an open receiver causing a field goal, Eli would feel pressure (when there wasn't any) and dump it off to his receiver underneath) or the giants would throw it to an open receiver on 3rd and long and the receiver would miss the conversion by a toe (the nicks play along the sideline), the off the finger plays to cruz either by drop or over thrown. The holding call on the OL when Bennett had a would have been first down. Like I said the Giants had a little play here and a little play there where they stopped their drive or their drive was the difference between 7 and 3. (also their very good kicker this year missed a very makeable 45 yarder; he makes it, Giants probably win that game.

3) I completely agree with you. What I'm saying is this defense isn't a super bowl caliber winning defense. Why did I say Super Bowl? Because I whole heartily think---yes me the 'negative' one here on this board, think that this team is getting hot right now at the right time (see GB, NYG's of the past 2 super bowl years,) and thats huge to get to the playoffs. We have an offense which everyone just has no idea how to stop with an MVP caliber player right now--we are the team no one wants to play. When I look at the playoff eligible teams; I don't see one team that I honestly don't think we can't beat. This team reminds me of the 08 Cardinals. Great offense. Bend but don't break defense, which can't get much pressure and whose CBs suck. But like that cardinals team, they lost in the super bowl to a team with a better offense (and defense) I have that bad bad feeling that if the skins were to make a playoff run, and beat out the NFC, which is very very possible IMO, I think we'd play New England and lose because of my despise of that team, and the fact that that offense is nearly impossible to stop with this secondary (last year we hung with them with Orakpo and Carriker--whom both didn't get a single sack, but some pressure) The only team in the NFC playoff hunt whom I think would give us the hardest game would be Green Bay, because of Aaron Rodgers and his WR core on our secondary..

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if you thought the giants LOST that one, which ones have we actually won then? the eagles game because we won by a bunch of points? you could easily say, well the eagles lost it because of injuries.

football (and sports in general) is a game of give-and-take, it wasnt the fact that the giants just played the shittiest game ever. hell, people are saying the steelers dominated us and are forgetting we had about 12900192380239 dropped passes.

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did the giants miss opportunities? sure, but so did we.

remember that fumble in the red zone? thats at LEAST three.

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guess i dont understand why fans dont want to give credit to their own team.

Giants beat themselves? that sounds like a giants fan to me.

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It's almost like the mindset of the fanbase is "We don't deserve this".

Well, **** that! Our team has come a long way and deserves credit.

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[quote=PWNED;972078]if you thought the giants LOST that one, which ones have we actually won then? the eagles game because we won by a bunch of points? you could easily say, well the eagles lost it because of injuries.

football (and sports in general) is a game of give-and-take, it wasnt the fact that the giants just played the shittiest game ever. hell, people are saying the steelers dominated us and are forgetting we had about 12900192380239 dropped passes.[/quote]


That's the way football is. In the first game against the NYG back in week 7, the Redskins had 4 turnovers that contributed more to the Giants win than that 77 yard TD strike from Eli Manning to Victor Cruz did. The NYG had a lot of penalties this last game but turnovers and penalties are a part of the game of football.

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Saying a team beat itself always seems like a lame excuse to me.

At the end of the day the Giants didn't play well enough to win while the Skins did.

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[quote=Chico23231;972082]guess i dont understand why fans dont want to give credit to their own team.

Giants beat themselves? that sounds like a giants fan to me.[/quote]

sounds like an idiot that can't read to me

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[quote=CultBrennan59;972090]sounds like an idiot that can't read to me[/quote]

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ever since the first giants game, watching griff march us down cool/calm/collected, and putting us ahead in the final minutes - it's an amazing feeling to know he's clutch. not only is his physical talent off the charts, but he's also mentally sound.

can't say enough about him, still pinching myself every so often. httr!

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RGIII................

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Although your 'pinch me' comment reminded me of the scene in the bar from Airplane.

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[url=http://dc.sbnation.com/2012/12/7/3741454/will-montgomery-fine-kicking]Will Montgomery fined $10,000 for kicking - SB Nation DC[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;972190][url=http://dc.sbnation.com/2012/12/7/3741454/will-montgomery-fine-kicking]Will Montgomery fined $10,000 for kicking - SB Nation DC[/url][/quote]pretty sure i would have done the same thing. sorry willy

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;972190][url=http://dc.sbnation.com/2012/12/7/3741454/will-montgomery-fine-kicking]Will Montgomery fined $10,000 for kicking - SB Nation DC[/url][/QUOTE]

The dude was literally pulling his leg out of his socket. Did that guy get fined too? My phone is blocking the link.

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[quote=PWNED;972079]did the giants miss opportunities? sure, but so did we.

remember that fumble in the red zone? thats at LEAST three.[/quote]

And RG3 not seeing a wide open Moss in the 4th quarter would have been another 7. Btw...I think you're off by 1 on the dropped passes in the Steelers game. Pretty sure there was 1 more.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;971991]Since the bye the D has shown some signs of improvement. Can't just slam Haslett all the time when the D is playing bad and not acknowledge him when the D is playing better. I'm not a big fan of him but he deserves some credit right now.[/QUOTE]

Id say so. 11 out of 12 quarters if really sort of shut down D. Fourth quarter against Dallas being the exception. Giants moved the ball alot but we kept them out of the endzone. Holding penalties and interference penalties being handed out like excuses by those that want to say the refs gave us the game but if they could keep up with us they wouldnt need to hold or interfere rite?

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[quote=SmootSmack;972190][url=http://dc.sbnation.com/2012/12/7/3741454/will-montgomery-fine-kicking]Will Montgomery fined $10,000 for kicking - SB Nation DC[/url][/quote]

Ridiculous. The guy was pulling Monty out of the pile by his foot. What was he suppose to do? Let the guy injure him? Do they ever use common sense when handing out these fines? :confused:

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[quote=Mattyk;972089]Saying a [B]team beat itself[/B] always seems like a lame excuse to me.

At the end of the day the Giants didn't play well enough to win while the Skins did.[/quote]
That's what happened in the 91' season as well, right. All those teams just kept.....beating themselves.
It was awesome.......
Having the #1 Offense meant no more then than it does now.

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[quote=Chico23231;972082]guess i dont understand why fans dont want to give credit to their own team.

Giants beat themselves? that sounds like a giants fan to me.[/quote]


Hell, even our resident Giants fan (giantone) didn't even say this crap. :laughing-




Haslett's defense has been on point the past 3 games. (minus that one quarter in Dallas) The only thing that bothers me is the lack of a pass rush. I'd like to see more stunts being ran on the DL.

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[quote=53Fan;972213]Ridiculous. The guy was pulling Monty out of the pile by his foot. What was he suppose to do? Let the guy injure him? Do they ever use common sense when handing out these fines? :confused:[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000107319/article/fines-roundup-linval-joseph-will-montgomery-docked]Fines roundup: Linval Joseph, Will Montgomery docked - NFL.com[/url]

Talk about ridiculous, the article shows that Ravens' Kruger was fined for wearing his jersey "too high". I watched the replay of Ravens game recently, I could see how Kruger violated the uniform rules but Kruger did same thing two games before and there was no fine for him mentioned. NFL really need to chill out the fining, it looks like as if they were on power high or something.