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What time are the expected to announce results?

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[quote=12thMan;986271]What time are the expected to announce results?[/quote]

Who knows but my guess is that if it is good news it will be released quickly if its bad news we won't know for awhile. If we don't know something by the end of the day,...... its bad.

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[quote=scowan;986272]Who knows but my guess is that if it is good news it will be released quickly if its bad news we won't know for awhile. If we don't know something by the end of the day,...... its bad.[/quote]

Honestly, we probably won't know anything for sure until they do exploratory surgery.

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You've got to be out of your mind to think HTTR24-7 is an attention whore. There will be no slandering of him in this forum

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[quote=Ruhskins;986270]There's a lot of secrecy going on right now and a lot of things are unknown. "Insiders" information should probably be taken with a grain of salt IMO, given that we have had at least one piece of false information that had to be retracted.[/quote]

I take all information with a grain of salt until it comes to fruition. Things change, communication is lost, and teams flat out lie.



As far as things being a secret. HUGE secret and there has to be a reason why.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/08/james-andrews-backs-shanahans-account-of-griffins-re-entry-of-baltimore-game/]James Andrews backs’ Shanahan’s account of Griffin’s re-entry of Baltimore game[/url]


Now we have Dr. Andrews backing Shanahan's account of the Baltimore game.

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I'm sure they know whether it's a torn ACL or partially torn at this point? They don't have to wait for surgery to determine initial damage

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[quote=SmootSmack;986274]You've got to be out of your mind to think HTTR24-7 is an attention whore. There will be no slandering of him in this forum[/quote]

Why, who is he?

Re: As long as RGIII is 100% for 2013 training camp...
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;986282]Why, who is he?[/quote]

Think man! Think!

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[quote=NC_Skins;986275]I take all information with a grain of salt until it comes to fruition. Things change, communication is lost, and teams flat out lie.



As far as things being a secret. HUGE secret and there has to be a reason why.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/08/james-andrews-backs-shanahans-account-of-griffins-re-entry-of-baltimore-game/]James Andrews backs’ Shanahan’s account of Griffin’s re-entry of Baltimore game[/url]


Now we have Dr. Andrews backing Shanahan's account of the Baltimore game.[/quote]

I think you, like other fans really need to get over all of this IMO. Unless Shanahan and Snyder threatened RG3 to bench him if he didn't play hurt, I think a lot of these conspiracy theories are just stupid. Yes teams lie all the time (see Bill B. in New England), we always hear stories of players all of the sudden having surgery at the end of the season b/c they've been hiding injuries or playing through them.

I'm not defending the stupid decisions that both Shanahan and RG3 made over the course of these couple of weeks. I just think all of these allegations and conspiracies and insider's information coming out of the woodwork are just pointless.

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[quote=12thMan;986276]I'm sure they know whether it's a torn ACL or partially torn at this point? They don't have to wait for surgery to determine initial damage[/quote]

Actually listening to the Opening Drive this morning Amani Toomer was discussing that. He had an inconclusive MRI done on his knee, and the only way to figure out if there was damage done to the ACL, MCL, and PCL was to have exploratory surgery. Once they got in there they found his ACL to be torn. At which time he had to have reconstructive surgery done on the knee.

The fact that it is the same knee from 2009 is what is making it difficult to determine the extent of the damage. I would be surprised if we got the results of the surgery today.

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[quote=NC_Skins;986266]Whether he's a attention whore or not isn't something I'm going to delve into. I just appreciate the info he brings to the table.[/quote]

Speculation is not really information.

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[quote=Ruhskins;986285]I think you, like other fans really need to get over all of this IMO. Unless Shanahan and Snyder threatened RG3 to bench him if he didn't play hurt, I think a lot of these conspiracy theories are just stupid. Yes teams lie all the time (see Bill B. in New England), we always hear stories of players all of the sudden having surgery at the end of the season b/c they've been hiding injuries or playing through them.

I'm not defending the stupid decisions that both Shanahan and RG3 made over the course of these couple of weeks. I just think all of these allegations and conspiracies and insider's information coming out of the woodwork are just pointless.[/quote]


I'm over it. I'm just discussing this as there isn't anything else to discuss at the moment. In the end, it's not my knee, not my career, and certainly not my investment. I've had my ACL tear and screws in the knee, I'll let other people have the fun.

You don't see a issue with a world renowned doctor going against a coaches version of what happened, and then turning around and backing it? That isn't miscommunication, that's a coverup. There is nothing conspiracy to it. Now, the stuff about him straining his ACL in the Baltimore game, THAT is conspiracy.


[quote=Ruhskins;986273]Honestly, we probably won't know anything for sure until they do exploratory surgery.[/quote]


Happening today.

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Bad news. Two ACLs, and a LCL early in his career.

When he comes back we just need to [U]scrap the option offense[/U]. There are reasons it is not used in the pro's. RG3 is just a good, accurate QB that can win games with traditional offenses. Why throw your elite QB to the wolves? Peyton, Brady, Rodgers don't usually miss games -- and our QB was concussed and tore ligaments. More of this and he's moving towards Vick's career path and out of the league in a couple of years..

We NEED to upgrade O-line for pass blocking, and eventually will need another elite WR to help create a passing game without option schemes.

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[quote=ethat001;986302]Bad news. Two ACLs, and a LCL early in his career.

When he comes back we just need to [U]scrap the option offense[/U]. There are reasons it is not used in the pro's. RG3 is just a good, accurate QB that can win games with traditional offenses. Why throw your elite QB to the wolves? Peyton, Brady, Rodgers don't usually miss games -- and our QB was concussed and tore ligaments. More of this and he's moving towards Vick's career path and out of the league in a couple of years..

We NEED to upgrade O-line for pass blocking, and eventually will need another elite WR to help create a passing game without option schemes.[/quote]


The option offense isn't why RGIII is in the situation he's in. His inability to slide or run out of bounds is. There is nothing wrong with him running or scrambling, but he has to be smarter. That extra yard isn't worth it when looking at the big picture. If it's super bowl and he's at the goal line, I'll change my stance. Until that happens, the kid needs to wise up or he's not going to last long in this league.


Also, if you hadn't notice, the option offense has been ran less and less over the 2nd half of the season.

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[quote=ethat001;986302]Bad news. Two ACLs, and a LCL early in his career.

When he comes back we just need to [U]scrap the option offense[/U]. There are reasons it is not used in the pro's. RG3 is just a good, accurate QB that can win games with traditional offenses. Why throw your elite QB to the wolves? Peyton, Brady, Rodgers don't usually miss games -- and our QB was concussed and tore ligaments. More of this and he's moving towards Vick's career path and out of the league in a couple of years..

We NEED to upgrade O-line for pass blocking, and eventually will need another elite WR to help create a passing game without option schemes.[/quote]

Well the read option is a big part of this offense and is a main reason why we rush the ball so well. He just needs to slide and get down. Against Seattle he got hurt running to the sideline on a pass play and the re re injured it on a bad snap. And remember the knee was originally hurt cause he didn't slide feet first. Had he done that he would not have been hurt in the first place.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;986284]Think man! Think![/quote]

If you know who he is, then say so. You haven't been active here long enough to get away with this sort of ambiguity. :)

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An ACL recovery story about a player not named AP. I hope RG3 is a quick healer:

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2013/01/rivers-had-quick-acl-tear-recovery-in-2008.html]Rivers had quick ACL tear recovery in 2008 - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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So I'm hearing we'll get news on the knee today

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I have to agree with Monkeydad on his HTTR247 comments.

As for the RG3 ACL which no one has been able to give a consensus correct report on, the big thing which some of you are missing here is not that he (possibly) tore his ACL, but that he has re-tore the same ACL from college, which means longer road to recovery. Showing that AP and Philip Rivers went back to normal in 8 months doesn't mean RG3's going to get better that quickly.

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My god.....cut his ass open, stitch his damn ligaments and sew him up.
This dicking around drama is pissing me off.

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[quote=12thMan;986276]I'm sure they know whether it's a torn ACL or partially torn at this point? They don't have to wait for surgery to determine initial damage[/quote]

Not necessarily.

Even an MRI doesn't always show the whole story.

Probably have to scope it to know the full extent.

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[quote=Mattyk;986363]Not necessarily.

Even an MRI doesn't always show the whole story.

Probably have to scope it to know the full extent.[/quote]

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/health/mris-often-overused-often-mislead-doctors-warn.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url]

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mr miyagi, please rub it

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzO7Eo0xeQ0&feature=youtu.be&t=1m45s]Ancient Japanese Secret - YouTube[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986329]I have to agree with Monkeydad on his HTTR247 comments.[/quote]

You're running with the wrong crowd then

[quote]As for the RG3 ACL which no one has been able to give a consensus correct report on, the big thing which some of you are missing here is not that he (possibly) tore his ACL, but that he has re-tore the same ACL from college, which means longer road to recovery. Showing that AP and Philip Rivers went back to normal in 8 months doesn't mean RG3's going to get better that quickly.[/quote]

Every case is definitely unique

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Part of the problem is the turf at Fedex.

Just ask AP, RGIII and Chris Clemons.

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[quote=mredskins;986366][URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/health/mris-often-overused-often-mislead-doctors-warn.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/URL][/quote]

Believe me I see it all the time in my line of work. MRIs are totally abused in how readily they are prescribed these days.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986329]I have to agree with Monkeydad on his HTTR247 comments.

[B]As for the RG3 ACL which no one has been able to give a consensus correct report on, the big thing which some of you are missing here is not that he (possibly) tore his ACL, but that he has re-tore the same ACL from college, which means longer road to recovery. Showing that AP and Philip Rivers went back to normal in 8 months doesn't mean RG3's going to get better that quickly.[/B][/quote]

Paging Dr. Warpath, you are need in the assumption room stat!

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We also saw Wes Welker come back relatviely quickly from an ACL injury, Carson Palmer came back early but was never the same. I am taking the wait and see approach before I get all gung-ho about everything.

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[quote=mredskins;986373]Paging Dr. Warpath, you are need in the assumption room stat![/quote]

lol @ the assumption room

Sucker is chuck full right now that's for sure

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[quote=Alvin Walton;986360]My god.....cut his ass open, stitch his damn ligaments and sew him up.
This dicking around drama is pissing me off.[/quote]

Walton it sounds like you need to take a deep breath. It's not the end of the world. He doesn't have cancer or anything like that. He will play football again.

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[quote=mredskins;986366][url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/health/mris-often-overused-often-mislead-doctors-warn.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url][/quote]


Good article. Thanks for posting.

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[quote=skinsfan69;986376]Walton it sounds like you need to take a deep breath. It's not the end of the world. He doesn't have cancer or anything like that. He will play football again.[/quote]

Plus it is Tuesday and they are working o nit now. The injury happened Sunday.

Were they suppose to take a TV time out while Dr. James cut him open on the field?

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let's all sign a card to send to griff

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[quote=skinsfan69;986376]Walton it sounds like you need to take a deep breath. It's not the end of the world. He doesn't have cancer or anything like that. He will play football again.[/quote]

Yup. He's not the first guy to injure his knee, or even re-injure his knee. Plus he's young, in great shape, is highly motivated, and will receive top notch treatment.

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[quote=12thMan;986328]So I'm hearing we'll get news on the knee today[/quote]

He''ll be arriving at Dr. Andrews' office around 1:30. So nothing before then

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I dont think we'll hear anything until his surgery is done.

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[quote=Mattyk;986380]Yup. He's not the first guy to injure his knee, or even re-injure his knee. Plus he's young, in great shape, is highly motivated, and will receive top notch treatment.[/quote]

But just in case, if anyone wishes to give up their Robert Griffin III jersey in favor of buying their Kirk Cousins jersey, I will be happy to take the Griffin jersey off your hands! :)

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I have heard that it is a better situation if its only a partial tear to the acl and I've heard that's what Robert is hoping for. If you go back to the first giants game I remember being scared on a fumble and he went down awkward and his knee bent similar to the way it did Sunday but he got up and was fine. You can see the play on the highlights if that game, I'm hoping it looked worse then it is and it's just partial. fingers crossed. If not, I have tremendous faith in Robert to work hard and come back even better, he has the drive.

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[quote=skinsguy;986384]But just in case, if anyone wishes to give up their Robert Griffin III jersey in favor of buying their Kirk Cousins jersey, I will be happy to take the Griffin jersey off your hands! :)[/quote]

I just got mine in today...... Bought the authentic, I really don't care for the fit though........

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[quote=Jayroc24;986388]I just got mine in today...... Bought the authentic, I really don't care for the fit though........[/quote]

My wife gave me mine after the game as a consolation prize...lol! I was so upset over the game, she felt she needed to give me my birthday present early! I haven't tried it on yet. Might wear it to work on dress down Friday.