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[quote=SFREDSKIN;988491]Kaepernick has been running that offense his whole career at Nevada where the pistol started. He had over 4100 yards rushing w/59 TD and 82 TD's in the air. Skins are the imitators.[/quote]

The Redskins were the first this year to really use it with success on the NFL level, we're not talking about comparing colleges.

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[quote=Ruhskins;988484]I don't know how you can root for a team that has beaten us the past three times we were in the playoffs.[/quote]

To me, i almost take pride in the team beating us winning the superbowl. It makes the skins look better, as opposed to losing to a team that gets trounced the next week. Plus, i dont want Carlos Rogers to ever win a superbowl. I want him to regret leaving here and saying derogatory things about the Redskins.

Also, Im an NC state fan and have always liked Wilson. I love watching games where the seahawks play at home. The atmosphere always makes the games exciting and compelling. The seahawks are not my 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th favorite NFL team, but i like them a heck of alot better than the falcons. Sports arent particularly interesting to watch unless I have some kind of rooting interest in a team, so that makes the upcoming games horribly uninteresting to me.

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[quote=skinsguy;988493]The Redskins were the first this year to really use it with success on the NFL level, we're not talking about comparing colleges.[/quote]

Agree, Kyle S. & RG3 got the ball rolling with the read option and pistol at this level. Everyone said a "college" style offense couldn't work in the NFL, they proved it could with the right QB. Other teams have since added it to their offense, we started off with it as our base offense.

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[quote=Mattyk;988497]Agree, Kyle S. & RG3 got the ball rolling with the read option and pistol at this level. Everyone said a "college" style offense couldn't work in the NFL, they proved it could with the right QB.[/quote]

the thing that bothers me though is that media pundits praise other teams who run a similar offense while saying the "it will never work in the NFL" when talking about the skins. Just stupid.

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[quote=skinsguy;988493]The Redskins were the first this year to really use it with success on the NFL level, we're not talking about comparing colleges.[/quote]

Kaepernick wasn't starting till game 9, they were doing it during pre-season games (vanilla version).

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;988491]Kaepernick has been running that offense his whole career at Nevada where the pistol started. He had over 4100 yards rushing w/59 TD and 82 TD's in the air. Skins are the imitators.[/quote]

Sure - and, once Harbaugh saw how effective it was, he substituted CK for A. Smith. I don't think that happens if the pistol were getting blown up week in and week out.

Skins imitated the college game and [I]effectively[/I] brought it to the pro level. It's making that leap that was KS & MS's innovation. We have seen first hand that an effective college scheme ([I]i.e.[/I] the "Fun'n Gun") doesn't [I]necessarily[/I] translate to the pros.

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I was thrilled to see the Seahawks lose -- trash-talking, classless jerks that they are. And I cannot decide whether losing in the heartbreaking fashion that they did or getting entirely stomped would have been better, but regardless, I was pleased the Falcons didn't choke. The Seahawks have been a complte thorn in our side for ages now. It doesn't bother me as much when a really good team plays well and beats us but seems to respect us as an adversary. But the cheap stuff that occurred throughout the wild card game, coupled with the trash talking beforehand really irked me. I am hoping that they have a massive sophmore slump with Wilson under center next year and start in-fighting. (Unfortunately, that probably won't happen -- to the contrary, they looks scary good right now.)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988494][B]To me, i almost take pride in the team beating us winning the superbowl.[/B] It makes the skins look better, as opposed to losing to a team that gets trounced the next week. Plus, i dont want Carlos Rogers to ever win a superbowl. I want him to regret leaving here and saying derogatory things about the Redskins.

Also, Im an NC state fan and have always liked Wilson. I love watching games where the seahawks play at home. The atmosphere always makes the games exciting and compelling. The seahawks are not my 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th favorite NFL team, but i like them a heck of alot better than the falcons. Sports arent particularly interesting to watch unless I have some kind of rooting interest in a team, so that makes the upcoming games horribly uninteresting to me.[/quote]

That's fine when the team that beats you was clearly the better team, however the Seahawks were just the healthier team.

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[quote=skinsguy;988493]The Redskins were the first this year to really use it with success on the NFL level, we're not talking about comparing colleges.[/quote]

I remember the Chiefs ran some of it with Thigpen under Herm Edwards

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[quote=skinsguy;988473]So, be honest. Are any of you guys just a least bit jealous over the fact that the 49ers are utilizing Colin kaepernick in much the same way the Redskins used Griffin III this year with the option and doing it with the same success? I could just picture Robert slicing through Green Bay's defense the same way Colin kaepernick did on Saturday night.[/quote]

I am convinced that if RG3 had been healthy going into the playoffs the Skins would have gone to the Super Bowl.

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[quote=Mattyk;988497]Agree, Kyle S. & RG3 got the ball rolling with the read option and pistol at this level. [B]Everyone said a "college" style offense couldn't work in the NFL, they proved it could with the right QB.[/B] Other teams have since added it to their offense, we started off with it as our base offense.[/quote]

I think people were not expecting QBs that can run and pass like RG3.

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That Falcons game was a real sham. I actually felt bad for the Seahawks and I hate the Seahawks. Felt like I just watched a horrible 4 hour movie, I feel stupid.

Domes should be banned. I hate dome ball.

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[quote=irish;988524]I am convinced that if RG3 had been healthy going into the playoffs the Skins would have gone to the Super Bowl.[/quote]

I disagree. SF is the best team in the NFC and maybe in the NFL.

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We would have beat Seattle with a healthy RG3, in all likelihood. Let's just start there.

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[quote=Mattyk;988578]We would have beat Seattle with a healthy RG3, in all likelihood. Let's just start there.[/quote]

Well that's debatable but it sure looked that way at 14-0. But SF and Seattle are two teams in the NFC that are young, and have the same type of QB that we do, and they paid a lot less to get them. The NFC is loaded for years to come.

Skins started the Read Option and now SF and Sea had to steal it. And they r getting all the praise for it smh

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[quote=Mattyk;988578][B]We would have beat Seattle with a healthy RG3[/B], in all likelihood. Let's just start there.[/quote]

Definitely. I mean, a healthy RG would have continued the onslaught beyond the 1st quarter.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;988499]Kaepernick wasn't starting till game 9, they were doing it during pre-season games (vanilla version).[/quote]

Exactly the point. If Harbaugh wanted to go full out with it, he would have moved to it from preseason. But he didn't. Then the Skins started showing success, and when Smith had the concusssion Harbaugh took the opportunity to implement it.

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[url=http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8842329/bill-barnwell-weekend-divisional-games]Bill Barnwell on the weekend's divisional games - Grantland[/url]


Great read. I think many of you need to read this.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;988621]Exactly the point. If Harbaugh wanted to go full out with it, he would have moved to it from preseason. But he didn't. Then the Skins started showing success, and when Smith had the concusssion Harbaugh took the opportunity to implement it.[/quote]

Do you think Smith would be able to pull it off? Harbaugh knew what he had in Kaepernick, i saw it run during their pre-season games with Kaep (vanilla version). So did Bill Walsh invent the WCO? No, Paul Brown did. Same shit, who cares.

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2012/12/27/3792740/pistol-offense-nfl-redskins-rg3]The future is already here: How the Pistol Offense is changing the NFL - SBNation.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;988578]We would have beat Seattle with a healthy RG3, in all likelihood. Let's just start there.[/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree. RG3 was less than 50% in that game against Seattle and still led the offense on its first two scoring drives. But he was crippled to the point that it hindered the offense the rest of the game with a meager 76 yards of total offense for the remainder of the game. With a completely healthy RG3, the Redskins would have blown the Seahawks out......

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;988659]I wholeheartedly agree. RG3 was less than 50% in that game against Seattle and still led the offense on its first two scoring drives. But he was crippled to the point that it hindered the offense the rest of the game with a meager 76 yards of total offense for the remainder of the game. With a completely healthy RG3, the Redskins would have blown the Seahawks out......[/quote]

I do not think the Redskins would have blown them out, seeing as Seattle is a second half time and the Redskins defense did not play well that game, but it would have been a closer game. But like a lot of people have already stated, the only way the Redskins beat Seattle is with a 100% healthy RG3.

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[quote=donofriose;988718]I do not think the Redskins would have blown them out, seeing as Seattle is a second half time [B]and the Redskins defense did not play well that game[/B], but it would have been a closer game. But like a lot of people have already stated, the only way the Redskins beat Seattle is with a 100% healthy RG3.[/quote]

What? You do realize that Seattle didn't take the lead until there were 7 minutes left in the game?

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[quote=Ruhskins;988719]What? You do realize that Seattle didn't take the lead until there were 7 minutes left in the game?[/quote]

Redskins defense allowed 200 plus yards on the ground with 6.1 YPC. You don't win many games playing like that, if RG3 was healthy and if we kept running the ball I do think the Redskins would have pulled out the win, but it would have been a 27-24 type of win. Seattle was able to move the ball very well and the Redskins allowed key 3rd down conversions during that game. To say the Redskins would have just won the game is not completely accurate, just like the Atlanta Seattle game, that game came down to a last 30 second drive by the Falcons, but sadly we will never know if the Redskins could have pulled it out.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988637][url=http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8842329/bill-barnwell-weekend-divisional-games]Bill Barnwell on the weekend's divisional games - Grantland[/url]


Great read. I think many of you need to read this.[/quote]

It's not a great read at all. It's drivel from a manning apologist, glossing over the fact that manning turned the ball over 3 times. he criticizes other broncos for letting manning down bysaying if they had done their jobs, the game would have been won before overtime so mannings last pick never should have happened. And he says this:

[quote]If the Broncos get the sort of defensive/special teams miracle they seemed to get last year in overtime games with Tim Tebow, the Broncos almost surely win[/quote]

the broncos special teams scored 2 touchdowns in regulation!!! what more do you want? If the broncos special teams had not given the team 14 miracle points, the broncos would have LOST in regulation.

And then theres this:

[quote]If Jacoby Jones delivers on his dismal postseason reputation from a year ago and drops the game-tying touchdown pass, the Broncos almost surely win[/quote]

He's arguing the Broncos should have won by criticizing the fact that one of the Ravens players made a good play.

The only reason to recommend that anyone read that article is if you want them to get stupider. And yes, i know stupider is not a word; however, it seems fitting to use in reference to that POS article.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988726]It's not a great read at all. It's drivel from a manning apologist, glossing over the fact that manning turned the ball over 3 times. he criticizes other broncos for letting manning down bysaying if they had done their jobs, the game would have been won before overtime so mannings last pick never should have happened. He criticized the special teams for not working magic in overtime. the broncos special teams scored 2 touchdowns in regulation!!! what more do you want?[/quote]

That entire game was not on Manning's shoulders, he definitively has his share of the blame but the majority of the blame should go on John Fox and that Defense, and then Manning. Like I said before, he did not put his team in the best situation to win the game, but he did not lose it by himself.

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[quote=Ruhskins;988719]What? You do realize that Seattle didn't take the lead until there were 7 minutes left in the game?[/quote]

And after the fumble, didn't the defense hold them to a FG when they started at the 5yd line?

It seems to me that the D could have held up it's end of the game. c'est la vie ...

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[quote=donofriose;988727]That entire game was not on Manning's shoulders, he definitively has his share of the blame but the majority of the blame should go on John Fox and that Defense, and then Manning. Like I said before, he did not put his team in the best situation to win the game, but he did not lose it by himself.[/quote]

No one said he lost it by himself, but its not like the players around him let Manning down. Some broncos played exceptionally. Others didnt. If i had to put Manning in either category, he'd definitely go in the later. You arent helping your team win a playoff game when you turn the ball over three times.

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[quote=donofriose;988725]Redskins defense allowed 200 plus yards on the ground with 6.1 YPC. You don't win many games playing like that, if RG3 was healthy and if we kept running the ball I do think the Redskins would have pulled out the win, but it would have been a 27-24 type of win. Seattle was able to move the ball very well and the Redskins allowed key 3rd down conversions during that game. To say the Redskins would have just won the game is not completely accurate, just like the Atlanta Seattle game, that game came down to a last 30 second drive by the Falcons, but sadly we will never know if the Redskins could have pulled it out.[/quote]

An effective RG3 certainly would have made a difference. Total yardage stats are often not as critical as they sound. The defense allowed alot of rushing, but held them out of the endzone several times. If our offense keeps them off the field, you have can see where the defense might step up a little more.

That said, if it is close going into the 4th quarter, then yes, it's anybody's game.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;988730]An effective RG3 certainly would have made a difference. Total yardage stats are often not as critical as they sound. The defense allowed alot of rushing, but held them out of the endzone several times. If our offense keeps them off the field, you have can see where the defense might step up a little more.

[B]That said, if it is close going into the 4th quarter, then yes, it's anybody's game.[/B][/quote]

That is what I am saying, it seems we think the Redskins would have definitely won the game, I think that game could have gone either way. Even with a healthy RG3.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988729]No one said he lost it by himself, but its not like the players around him let Manning down. Some broncos played exceptionally. Others didnt. If i had to put Manning in either category, he'd definitely go in the later. You arent helping your team win a playoff game when you turn the ball over three times.[/quote]

I will agree with that. Elite Regular Season Quarterback, mediocre post season quarterback.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988729]No one said he lost it by himself, but its not like the players around him let Manning down. Some broncos played exceptionally. Others didnt. If i had to put Manning in either category, he'd definitely go in the later. You arent helping your team win a playoff game when you turn the ball over three times.[/quote]


So you mean that WR who let the ball deflect off his hands for a INT/TD didn't let Manning down? You mean a defense that was ranked #2 in the NFL (#4 in PPG defense) gave up 31 points to a shitty Ravens offense didn't let Manning down? It's obvious you didn't even bother watching the game, but decided to add your Goat commentary.

[url]http://nfl.cpl.delvenetworks.com/player/carousel/sportingnews.html?autoplay=true&channelId=de89a8aeb3e422bac4eb48567f10ebd0&channelListId&mediaId=c046b753ffae4e70aba80bff84e44e27[/url]

Some of you have you head buried in the sand. This is like when Brett Favre got blamed for that loss against the Saints for his INT, but yet Adrian Peterson fumbled the ball 3 times (twice within the 5 yard line). BRETT CHOKE!!....lol Amazing how illogical some people can be.

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[quote=donofriose;988732]I will agree with that. Elite Regular Season Quarterback, mediocre post season quarterback.[/quote]


Manning's career post season QB rating: 86

Brady's career post season QB rating: 86



LOL. Exactly the same. ROFFFFFFFFFL. :rofl: :laughing2 :blah:

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Win as a team, lose as one. QBs already get way too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses in the regular season, but in the playoffs it ramps up to ridiculous levels.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988736]So you mean that WR who let the ball deflect off his hands for a INT/TD didn't let Manning down? You mean a defense that was ranked #2 in the NFL (#4 in PPG defense) gave up 31 points to a shitty Ravens offense didn't let Manning down? It's obvious you didn't even bother watching the game, but decided to add your Goat commentary.

Some of you have you head buried in the sand. This is like when Brett Favre got blamed for that loss against the Saints for his INT, but yet Adrian Peterson fumbled the ball 3 times (twice within the 5 yard line). BRETT CHOKE!!....lol Amazing how illogical some people can be.[/quote]

1) If you watch the play where he threw a pick, the DB had a hand on the ball, the receiver did not drop it, you would have more of an argument saying it was pass interference then it was a dropped pass. The receiver had little chance of catching that ball with how he was being covered.

2) 2 of those drives started around midfield or better because of Manning turnovers, that is at least 6 points Manning gave the Ravens due to his turnovers.

3) Again, did Manning deserve all the blame for the game? No. The better question is whether he put his team in the best position to win the game, and in my opinion he did not.

Speaking of Brett Favre who did Manning tie for the most playoff loses of all time? Another stat sheet lover, Favre.

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[quote=NC_Skins;988740]Manning's career post season QB rating: 86

Brady's career post season QB rating: 86



LOL. Exactly the same. ROFFFFFFFFFL. :rofl: :laughing2 :blah:[/quote]

Manning: 32 touchowns 21 interceptions
Brady: 41 touchdowns 20 interceptions.

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[quote=donofriose;988748]Manning: 32 touchowns 21 interceptions
Brady: 41 touchdowns 20 interceptions.[/quote]

Just stop. I showed you were their playoff career QB rating is equal. If Manning had just as many games as Brady did, I'm sure his TD (and INTs) would be much greater. Again, when you have a shitty defense, you have to carry the team.



...and continue saying the WR didn't let the ball hit his hands and bounce up. It did. Even the commentator said that Peyton put the ball right were he supposed to.

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2013/01/14/kenny-britt-tennessee-titans/1834701/]Police want to talk to Kenny Britt about stabbing[/url]

Some people just dont get it

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[quote=donofriose;988725]Redskins defense allowed 200 plus yards on the ground with 6.1 YPC. You don't win many games playing like that, if RG3 was healthy and if we kept running the ball I do think the Redskins would have pulled out the win, but it would have been a 27-24 type of win. Seattle was able to move the ball very well and the Redskins allowed key 3rd down conversions during that game. To say the Redskins would have just won the game is not completely accurate, just like the Atlanta Seattle game, that game came down to a last 30 second drive by the Falcons, but sadly we will never know if the Redskins could have pulled it out.[/quote]

Don't you think that the offense not being able to get a first down had something to do with that? Can't keep putting your defense out there for 3 straight quarters. I'm not saying we would have won the game w/ RG3 healthy, but our chances would have been increased.

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[quote=Chico23231;988760][url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2013/01/14/kenny-britt-tennessee-titans/1834701/]Police want to talk to Kenny Britt about stabbing[/url]

Some people just dont get it[/quote]



My goodness, this assclown again? Really? Can he not hang around (or be) complete idiots?