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[quote=NC_Skins;1000887]I concur with this. I'm satisfied with what they are doing. The one thing I'm skeptical about is having Fletcher around at his high cap number. [B]I mean, if the Bears weren't willing to pay Urlacher 3 million, than why in the **** are we paying Fletch 5+ mil. Hell, I'd rather have Urlacher at a cheaper cost.[/quote][/B]

:yeahright

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[quote=theJBexperience;1000906]I'm so glad Fred Davis is back. I'm just wondering. Did anyone else feel like he was going to be a bigger weapon in the offense w/ RGIII as QB than he really was before he got hurt? I felt like he could be a top 5 TE, but we was doing about as good as he was with Grossman at QB. With Grossman, I remembered Davis being underthrown on a number of occasions where he was wide open down the field. With the upgrade at QB, I was dying to see those plays be TDs, but it just didn't happen. Maybe, it was because he didn't play as much with Pierre on the field too, so DEFs keyed on him more? I'm glad he's back on a prove it deal, and I hope he does. Let's lock up Antoinne now![/quote]
Aside from the first 2 games, Fred was a beast before he got hurt. He wasn't making many plays down the field or in the redzone but he was a first down machine for us. True, without having Garcon on the field it was hard to truly see what impact he could have being matched up only on a LB but the potential is unreal.

Think about it from a defensive coordinator standpoint.. You have to account for a 1,600 yard back in Morris, a potential game breaking WR in Garcon, chain movers in Morgan and Hankerson AND a big, fast TE in Davis.. Oh, BTW there's that QB with 67% accuracy, a cannon for an arm who just still may run faster than most of the players on your defense..

I'm lovin it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1000887]I concur with this. I'm satisfied with what they are doing. The one thing I'm skeptical about is having Fletcher around at his high cap number. I mean, if the Bears weren't willing to pay Urlacher 3 million, than why in the **** are we paying Fletch 5+ mil. Hell, I'd rather have Urlacher at a cheaper cost.[/quote]

Nonsense. Urlacher isn't the QB of that defense and can't hold a candle to Fletcher today.

If we're serious about being a competitive team in 2013 Fletcher has to be on the roster/field.

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[quote=Jayroc24;1000851]Hail to Shannahan and Allen!!! Gotta to give it to Snyder for learning that owners aren't always the best football personnel people. Great job Front Office![/quote]

They didn't even flinch.

Shanahan/Allen is Kobe

Rosehaus/Davis is Matt Barnes

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[quote=mredskins;1000861]It is got suck to be the Bills; has to be one of the less desirable NFL stops. I mean if you go to the Raiders at least you be in sunny CAL.[/quote]

The Bills organization could help itself by moving the team to a dome in Toronto.

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we've retained 21 of 22 starters on a playoff team that showed dramatic improvement in the 2nd half of the season. Our only loss was a mediocre starting cornerback. we've added some cheap depth, resigned our core guys, and the draft hasnt even happened yet. Despite the cap penalty, its hard for me not to be optomistic about our chances entering the 2013 season.

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I expect the Skins to sign Winfield. That's because I don't think he would have stayed in the D.C. area this long (even though his agent has been sick) unless he had a strong interest in playing for the Skins.

I agree with those who think he would be a very good short term solution at CB.

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[QUOTE=The Goat;1000911]Nonsense. Urlacher isn't the QB of that defense and can't hold a candle to Fletcher today.

Exactly. Fletcher is playing out of his mind and Urlacher is a shadow of his former self.

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Really like this off-season so far. If we manage to somehow pick up a solid corner I would be very pleased.

I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up, but does anyone else feel that the salary cap penalty the last two years was kind of a blessing in disguise? I mean it forced us to get fiscally responsible, kept us from over spending on high priced free agents and made us focus on building through the draft. The free agents we have picked up are more to solidify and add depth to our team as opposed to making a huge free agency splash.

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The only problem with Fletcher is he's a short term solution. Maybe we should get an ILB in the draft, he could spend this year learning from Fletcher.

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[quote=Paintrain;1000910]Aside from the first 2 games, Fred was a beast before he got hurt. He wasn't making many plays down the field or in the redzone but he was a first down machine for us. True, without having Garcon on the field it was hard to truly see what impact he could have being matched up only on a LB but the potential is unreal.

Think about it from a defensive coordinator standpoint.. You have to account for a 1,600 yard back in Morris, a potential game breaking WR in Garcon, chain movers in Morgan and Hankerson AND a big, fast TE in Davis.. Oh, BTW there's that QB with 67% accuracy, a cannon for an arm who just still may run faster than most of the players on your defense..

I'm lovin it.[/quote]

Salivating!

[QUOTE=81forHOF;1000918]Really like this off-season so far. If we manage to somehow pick up a solid corner I would be very pleased.

I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up, but does anyone else feel that the salary cap penalty the last two years was kind of a blessing in disguise? I mean it forced us to get fiscally responsible, kept us from over spending on high priced free agents and made us focus on building through the draft. The free agents we have picked up are more to solidify and add depth to our team as opposed to making a huge free agency splash.[/QUOTE]

I think moreso praise should be given in tons to the FO. They showed the restraint regardless of the penalty. We could have done a lot of upfront restructuring and extending of contracts at the start of FA that would have simply kept pushing the penalty forward, They made hard decisions and stuck with a general philosophy that looks at more than just this year.

good job skins

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[quote=81forHOF;1000918]Really like this off-season so far. If we manage to somehow pick up a solid corner I would be very pleased.

I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up, but does anyone else feel that the salary cap penalty the last two years was kind of a blessing in disguise? I mean it forced us to get fiscally responsible, kept us from over spending on high priced free agents and made us focus on building through the draft. The free agents we have picked up are more to solidify and add depth to our team as opposed to making a huge free agency splash.[/quote]

I agree with CRedskins. I think it has a lot more to do with the changes to the front office than with not having money. There were a lot of contracts we could have restructured to push money into future years. Instead we made some hard choices. Cut some veterans and asked others to take pay cuts, not restructures. We're setting ourselves up for being competitive going forward. There's nothing wrong with getting some big name FAs, you just want to make sure they're on the right side of 30 before signing them.

I would have loved a shot at some of the CBs out there this year, because it fills a need. We didn't have it, the FO stayed disciplined and found value.

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I am glad to see Fred Davis re-sign with the Redskins. I also want to give out kudos to the front office. This is not the free spending FO that it once was.

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No, it wasn't a blessing in disguise. It hurt us. It probably cost us a chance at signing Vincent Jackson last season and a chance at signing a top-notch RT to help protect RGIII this season.

I think that the Skins are a well-managed team now. And I believe that the Skins executives would have made wise and prudent decisions if we had not been penalized by the NFL.

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[quote=81forHOF;1000918]Really like this off-season so far. If we manage to somehow pick up a solid corner I would be very pleased.

[B]I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up, but does anyone else feel that the salary cap penalty the last two years was kind of a blessing in disguise? [/B]I mean it forced us to get fiscally responsible, kept us from over spending on high priced free agents and made us focus on building through the draft. The free agents we have picked up are more to solidify and add depth to our team as opposed to making a huge free agency splash.[/quote]

How can loosing 30 some million in salery be a blessing. Our Front office changed and our stupid spending had stopped at that time. Think what we could have done with that cap space.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1000927]No, it wasn't a blessing in disguise. It hurt us. It probably cost us a chance at signing Vincent Jackson last season and a chance at signing a top-notch RT to help protect RGIII this season.

I think that the Skins are a well-managed team now. And I believe that the Skins executives would have made wise and prudent decisions if we had not been penalized by the NFL.[/quote]

This. We're also poised to do a lot in 2014 if the right opportunities are there.

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I think I'm most excited to see how Kory 'Steiger performs. It'd be nice if we could have a Pro-Bowler from the internal line.

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[quote=12thMan;1000935]I think I'm most excited to see how Kory 'Steiger performs. It'd be nice if we could have a Pro-Bowler from the internal line.[/quote]

Will Montgomery may not have been a Pro Bowler, but he was a heck of a player last year. Unspoken hero.

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Under Bruce Allen the team had already done a complete 180 from the Vinny days in terms of spending, bad contracts, trading away picks, etc. The cap penalty didn't change the way they had been operating.

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[quote=The Goat;1000911]Nonsense. Urlacher isn't the QB of that defense and can't hold a candle to Fletcher today.

If we're serious about being a competitive team in 2013 Fletcher has to be on the roster/field.[/quote]

Glad he's back cause we need him, but they need to get Robinson some reps in the worst way. I would take Fletch out on obvious passing downs and let Robinson start to get his feet wet.

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[quote=Paintrain;1000910]Aside from the first 2 games, Fred was a beast before he got hurt. He wasn't making many plays down the field or in the redzone but he was a first down machine for us. True, without having Garcon on the field it was hard to truly see what impact he could have being matched up only on a LB but the potential is unreal.

Think about it from a defensive coordinator standpoint.. You have to account for a 1,600 yard back in Morris, a potential game breaking WR in Garcon, chain movers in Morgan and Hankerson AND a big, fast TE in Davis.. Oh, BTW there's that QB with 67% accuracy, a cannon for an arm who just still may run faster than most of the players on your defense..

I'm lovin it.[/quote]

It looks great on paper....plus don't forget about Robinson. I'd like to see him take the next step and become more of a complete wr.

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[quote=SirLK26;1000919]The only problem with Fletcher is he's a short term solution. Maybe we should get an ILB in the draft, he could spend this year learning from Fletcher.[/quote]

We can easily make over 40MM in cap room next year. Thats enough to sign quite a few "long term solutions." I'm fine with rolling with a couple old guys this year, so long as they still perform and we can afford them.

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[quote=firstdown;1000929]How can loosing 30 some million in salery be a blessing. Our Front office changed and our stupid spending had stopped at that time. Think what we could have done with that cap space.[/quote]

I know the current FO is a LOT different than the Cerrato era but they are susceptible to the temptation to over spend on free agents as well. IE, how much did josh Morgan get paid last year?

I would rather not have the penalty myself but I also admit this off season has been a bit of a refreshing change.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1000922]I think moreso praise should be given in tons to the FO. They showed the restraint regardless of the penalty. We could have done a lot of upfront restructuring and extending of contracts at the start of FA that would have simply kept pushing the penalty forward, They made hard decisions and stuck with a general philosophy that looks at more than just this year.

good job skins[/quote]

I completely agree. They deserve a lot of kudos for soaking it up now and not pushing the problem into the future. I think it is great watching the Cowboys make the mistakes we have made in the past. I predict that team will be a train wreck in about 2-3 years.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1000960]We can easily make over 40MM in cap room next year. Thats enough to sign quite a few "long term solutions." I'm fine with rolling with a couple old guys this year, so long as they still perform and we can afford them.[/quote]

I'm fine with it to, I was just saying. But yeah, next year we'll be able to sign some quality free agents, not these mid tier guys we're trying to squeeze value out of.

By the way, how do you come up with the 40MM number? I'm not contesting, but that seems like quite a bit of room.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1000927]No, it wasn't a blessing in disguise. It hurt us. It probably cost us a chance at signing Vincent Jackson last season and a chance at signing a top-notch RT to help protect RGIII this season.

[B]I think that the Skins are a well-managed team now. And I believe that the Skins executives would have made wise and prudent decisions if we had not been penalized by the NFL[/B].[/quote]


I aspecially agree with the bolded statement

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[quote=81forHOF;1000978]I completely agree. They deserve a lot of kudos for soaking it up now and not pushing the problem into the future. I think it is great watching the Cowboys make the mistakes we have made in the past. I predict that team will be a train wreck in about 2-3 years.[/quote]

Id venture to say that they already are a train-wreck.

YOUR 2013 DALLAS COWBOYS!!!!!!

A severely overpaid old QB that ALWAYS folds under pressure, a WR that smacks his mother into next week, a ridiculously porous OLine, a uber hands on owner that doesn't know football guys all too well, substance abuse run amuck, a young star that loves his DUI's, a young underacheiving and now over-rated head coach who is a pawn of said owner, and an aging DWare that is a shell of his former self. Not to mention their dumbass fans.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1000895]As far as Urlacher and Fletcher talk. Let me make this as simple as possible for you. Fletcher has yet to miss a game. Urlacher misses many games every year now.[/quote]

He's missed games in 3 out of the 14 years he's been in the league. Now he's misses games every year now? :doh:


[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2140/brian-urlacher]Brian Urlacher Stats - ESPN[/url]


[quote=81forHOF;1000917]Exactly. Fletcher is playing out of his mind and Urlacher is a shadow of his former self.[/quote]


Have you all lost your mind?


Did you miss this?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/52206-fo-best-worst-run-stop-rates.html[/url]


Brian Urlacher was high on the list for being one of the best run stoppers. Fletcher on the other hand was near the bottom.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2013/best-and-worst-run-stop-rates-2012]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Best and Worst Run Stop Rates 2012[/url]


You guys have completely ignored reality in favor of Fletch. The guy is a great leader, but he's a huge liability now. Guess what, it's not getting any better.

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At least he's likely to retire after this season.

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I'm pretty positive that I just read how urlacher was, statistically, the worst player on their defense last year. Bleacher report I think.

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[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;1001013]I'm pretty positive that I just read how urlacher was, statistically, the worst player on their defense last year. Bleacher report I think.[/quote]

Bleacher report? By that measure, he was likely statistically the best player on their defensive squad.

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Signing urlacher would be something vinny would do. Probably give him a 30 million dollar contract too. I think the next linebacker to play for the skins will be drafted and developed by the skins, at least they will do that if they are smart. Fletcher does need to be phased out and replaced though. Sad reality of the NFL.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1001005]He's missed games in 3 out of the 14 years he's been in the league. Now he's misses games every year now? :doh:


[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2140/brian-urlacher]Brian Urlacher Stats - ESPN[/url]





Have you all lost your mind?


Did you miss this?

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/52206-fo-best-worst-run-stop-rates.html[/url]


Brian Urlacher was high on the list for being one of the best run stoppers. Fletcher on the other hand was near the bottom.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2013/best-and-worst-run-stop-rates-2012]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Best and Worst Run Stop Rates 2012[/url]


You guys have completely ignored reality in favor of Fletch. The guy is a great leader, but he's a huge liability now. Guess what, it's not getting any better.[/quote]
Those 3 years he's missed games were in the past 3 years.

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[quote=donofriose;1001018]Signing urlacher would be something vinny would do. Probably give him a 30 million dollar contract too. I think the next linebacker to play for the skins will be drafted and developed by the skins, at least they will do that if they are smart. Fletcher does need to be phased out and replaced though. Sad reality of the NFL.[/quote]

Not sure I was championing for Urlacher's signing, more of pointing out that if Chicago wouldn't even keep their future HoFer for 3 mil, than why the hell are we keeping Fletch for over 5+ mil? Urlacher statistically rated better than Fletcher did last season. I would rather have Urlacher at 2.5 mil than Fletcher at 5.9 mil.





[quote=CultBrennan59;1001020]Those 3 years he's missed games were in the past 3 years.[/quote]

Uhh....wut?


Not sure you quite understand, so let me put it another way.

Urlacher missed games in only 3 years of his 14 year career. Those 3 years were 2004, 2009, 2012. Not sue how those 3 years were in the past 3 years. Did you not look at the link to his stat page?

Now, your claim is he misses games every year isn't just far fetched, it's ridiculous.

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flecth was pretty bad while he was hurt for the first 7 games or so. he was better at the end of last year. that said, sooner or later someone else is going to have to take his place.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1000915]we've retained 21 of 22 starters on a playoff team that showed dramatic improvement in the 2nd half of the season. Our only loss was a mediocre starting cornerback. we've added some cheap depth, resigned our core guys, and the draft hasnt even happened yet. Despite the cap penalty, its hard for me not to be optomistic about our chances entering the 2013 season.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't agree more. And I'll take your one mediocre starting cb and raise you two stud d linemen. With the addition of carriker and osackpo returning from injury our d line should be much improved. And with Davis now returning on offense that's another upgrade over last year. All in all I agree with you it's hard not to be a little bit optimistic about our upcoming season.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1001024]Not sure I was championing for Urlacher's signing, more of pointing out that if Chicago wouldn't even keep their future HoFer for 3 mil, than why the hell are we keeping Fletch for over 5+ mil? Urlacher statistically rated better than Fletcher did last season. I would rather have Urlacher at 2.5 mil than Fletcher at 5.9 mil.







Uhh....wut?


Not sure you quite understand, so let me put it another way.

Urlacher missed games in only 3 years of his 14 year career. Those 3 years were 2004, 2009, 2012. Not sue how those 3 years were in the past 3 years. Did you not look at the link to his stat page?

Now, your claim is he misses games every year isn't just far fetched, it's ridiculous.[/quote]

I just go off of recent memory. I know he had a wrist injury which he missed time and I may be getting that year and another year mixed up with missing lots of games. He is not what he used to be. Ill pass on him unless he wants a vet min contract.

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We already have an aged vetran in the middle, I don't see the point in adding another. Bringing in a young guy to learn behind Fletch on the other hand is a great idea.

so any word on what FDavis contract is? and any word on Winfield?

Wouldn't surprise me to learn TW restructured to clear room for FDavis. I just get the sense that he Fred and Griffin have strong bonds amongst them