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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051146]All this Shanahan hate is out of control. Its so easy to forget that he is the one who cleaned up all the mess and dysfunction Cerrato and Snyder created.

Fletcher, whos retiring, publically lobbied for Shanahan to stay, and said 95% of the players on the team wanted him to come back. If Shanahan were a bad coach, or the team felt that HE was responsible for the current messy situation, they wouldnt be saying that. Ultimately, theres a pissing match going on between the coach and a diva QB. Fletchers comments indicate the players Side with their coach, not the Diva.... yet, so many of you want to rally behind the Diva - the source of the teams problems - and throw the coach away? Explain that to me please.

Also explain this to me - if RG3 can do this to Shanahan, a well respected, established Head Coach... how on earth do you think things will be better with a college coach in his first NFL gig? Or a coordinator in his first HC role? Change isnt always good people.[/quote]

K, Here we go. I was a big Shanahan advocate, and publically lobbied for him to stay not long ago... but you have to look at the body of work.
[LIST][*]John Beck fiasco[*]Donovan McNabb fiasco (traded a 2nd rnd pick)[*]Josh LeReibus (3rd rnd pick, bust)[*]Jamall Brown (traded for a mid rnd pick)[*][B]Keeping RG3 in the game, injuring your Franchise QB, potentially ruining his career here in Washington. Great call Mike. [/B][*][B]5-11, 6-10, and 3-11 (so far) seasons. [/B][*]Leaking stories to the media[*]Atrocious special teams this year[*]Josh Morgan sucks[/LIST]

There's much more, but that's the first stuff I thought of just now. I don't care if you're Bill effin Bellicheck and all of your cap space is taken away and you can't sign anyone to any contracts but veteran min, this record speaks for itself.

This isn't the same as firing Shottenheimer, or Spurrier, or Zorn... this isn't a knee jerk reaction based on a terrible previous move. This was Snyder sitting back, letting him do the work, be the boss...and it's blown up right in his face. Patience has been exercised... and the logical, rational, diligent move is to move on.

It's time to finally try something so incredible obvious, it hurts that we haven't done it. Copy the formula of a winning franchise.

Hire a true GM, and give him full control of all the personnel operations. Hire a coach- one that isn't a re-tread... but someone hungry and to win a Superbowl. Change the culture in Washington, eliminate the circus, and stop trading away high draft picks.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051159][B]The mess he cleaned up? [/B] How about the mess he's created?

We're staring down 3 and effing 13 and his hands are clean and it's all on the "diva" QB?

WTF?![/quote]

I pretty much stop reading the post after the first sentence. its trolling at this point

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I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this name but I hope the Redskins look at Mike Pettine, the defensive coordinator of the Bills. He has a pretty good track record and seems to change his scheme to accommodate his players. Also went to UVA, just as a side note.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1051153]I think you don't know how to get rid of things that serve no purpose anymore, and progress[/quote]

Sure I do. I'd get rid of The diva quarterback and keep the hall of game coach.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1051154]So you just choose to ignore the things London has said about Rob? Ok[/quote]

Has he said 95% of the players love Robert? I must have missed that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051170]Has he said 95% of the players love Robert? I must have missed that.[/quote]

95% of the team also realize that if Shanahan gets fired, they probably will be looking for somewhere else to work. There is a reason why you rarely ever hear players speak out against coaches, even if they are failing.

Also London was quoted as saying this about RG3, just so you know

“This is a great young leader, man,” Fletcher said. “Sometimes, I don’t think people really appreciate how great this kid is because, I know, last year he stepped on the scene and he did so much stuff. He was asked to be a savior of a franchise that hadn’t had a franchise quarterback in 20 some-odd years. He came in and you talk about giving up all the draft picks and all the things they did to bring him in, and he handled the expectations and even exceeded those. He carried himself in a manner that’s very rare [for] young guys [to] do. He has great leadership qualities.”

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[quote=SmootSmack;1051066]Bill O'Brien: Potential to be great, but I think you have to be patient with him

GWilliams: Could very easily see him returning, but as a DC

Grimm: Don't see that either[/quote]

Snyder needs to recruit a strong coaching staff around him. Bringing in GWilliams as DC, Grimm as Assistant HC/ Oline. Hue Jackson WR coach.

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Let the new HC assemble his staff.

Snyder should have nothing to do with it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051174]Let the new HC assemble his staff.

Snyder should have nothing to do with it.[/quote]

Yea Snyder should only hire one man, whether it is a new GM that is going to hire a coach or a new coach that controls everything.

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I think suggestions can be made, I don't want another Zorn or Spurrier situation. Some veteran staff members will help O'Brien transition into the role.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051170]Has he said 95% of the players love Robert? I must have missed that.[/quote]

I think you missed a lot of things

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At the [URL="http://httr24-7.com/podcast/httr-podcast-feat-jason-la-canfora-2/"]35 minute mark JLC[/URL] talks about Briles and the possibilities for him as the coach.. I'm still not sold on him being the best decision based on the issues it may cause but if he stacks his staff with NFL vets and has a strong DC and front office guy, I could get behind it.

I'm mildly concerned about if/how his offense will translate but maybe GTripp or someone can speak to that..

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24384243/art-briles-to-redskins-could-happen-more-easily-than-most-expect]Art Briles to Redskins could happen more easily than most expect - CBSSports.com[/url]

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I would prefer Briles (if he's hired) as an OC, with a defensive guru and someone familiar with the Redskins as HC, like G Williams. I think Briles could easily be overwhelmed, and besides what's he done to deserve an HC opportunity coming from college?

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[quote=The Goat;1051182]I would prefer Briles (if he's hired) as an OC, with a defensive guru and someone familiar with the Redskins as HC, like G Williams. I think Briles could easily be overwhelmed, and besides what's he done to deserve an HC opportunity coming from college?[/quote]

I agree with you. Too many people want to get rid of Shanahan and replace him with an unproven guy. You cant bring in someone like Briles unless you also have an extremely strong GM in place. We're talking so much about who the next HC will be, but obviously, the GM needs to in place first. Chris Russell thinks Allen will be promoted to Team President, and that he and Snyder will hire a GM, and theyll all pick a head coach.

Some say Snyder shouldnt be involved in the decision, but he obviously needs to be if its a college coach. Most of them have contracts which would have to be bought out. Right now, its likely Snyders going to have to buy out over 10MM in contracts from the current coaching staff... asking him to buy out another 10MM for college coaches might be a bit much.

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The days of retreads and college coaches with no NFL experience are over. Shaw and O'Brien are the exception here with proven track records. This team someone like those 2 or some hungry assistant like Bevell, Bowles, Gruden, Whisenhunt.

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[quote=The Goat;1051182]I would prefer Briles (if he's hired) as an OC, with a defensive guru and someone familiar with the Redskins as HC, like G Williams. I think Briles could easily be overwhelmed, and besides what's he done to deserve an HC opportunity coming from college?[/quote]

Baylor didn't even have uniforms when Briles got there. He's made them a threat in the BCS for a few years now.

Also, add in the fact that Briles has done it with less than HALF the recruiting results of the other big schools in the country.

So he's taking players who are average standard and making a competitive football team and one of the top ones in the nation.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051169]Sure I do. I'd get rid of The diva quarterback and keep the [B]hall of game[/B] coach.[/quote]


Which game specifically got him into that hall?

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[quote=Bucket;1051189]Baylor didn't even have uniforms when Briles got there. He's made them a threat in the BCS for a few years now.

Also, add in the fact that Briles has done it with less than HALF the recruiting results of the other big schools in the country.

So he's taking players who are average standard and making a competitive football team and one of the top ones in the nation.[/quote]

Allowing the diva quarterback to pick his old college coach is the definition of letting the inmates run the asylum.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051192]Allowing the diva quarterback to pick his old college coach is the definition of letting the inmates run the asylum.[/quote]

Who said he's picking him? You have a link?

Just because it was his college coach? You read in to the blurred lines to much. Briles deserves his shot on his performance alone.

So, I guess any player who's played football for a college coach isn't allowed to be united with a college coach because it's his say? You really think Snyder is going to allow RG3 who is on the bench right now make a 40 million dollar decision for him?

Let's be real.

Briles comes in.. We win football games. You won't hear anything about how RG3 picked his coach. Just saying.

I still can't believe that people believe all the leaks that Shanahan has put out there on RG3 and Snyder to protect himself. lol

RG3 a Diva? You try doing a interview process every Weds, and camera's following you around 24/7. I'm sure some of your mistakes will be BLOWN out of the water.

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If Briles is another Head Coach>GM no thanks, we have had that since Snyder took over, where does that lead?

Re: Choose Your 2014 Redskins Head Coach (Volume 2)
 

[quote=Mattyk;1051181][url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24384243/art-briles-to-redskins-could-happen-more-easily-than-most-expect]Art Briles to Redskins could happen more easily than most expect - CBSSports.com[/url][/quote]

I think the situation of an "offensive guru" rookie coach matched with a top notch, nfl experienced DC has been mentioned before by mulitple posters here. I think its a possibility likely to be explored by Bruce and other in the FO. I could def see something like this happening, I dont know if Briles is that offensive guru though...

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[quote=Bucket;1051193]Who said he's picking him? You have a link?

Just because it was his college coach? You read in to the blurred lines to much. Briles deserves his shot on his performance alone.

So, I guess any player who's played football for a college coach isn't allowed to be united with a college coach because it's his say? You really think Snyder is going to allow RG3 who is on the bench right now make a 40 million dollar decision for him?

Let's be real.

Briles comes in.. We win football games. You won't hear anything about how RG3 picked his coach. Just saying.

I still can't believe that people believe all the leaks that Shanahan has put out there on RG3 and Snyder to protect himself. lol

RG3 a Diva? You try doing a interview process every Weds, and camera's following you around 24/7. I'm sure some of your mistakes will be BLOWN out of the water.[/quote]

Rg2 has been lobbying for the guy.... You think he's done that without rg3s blessing? Are you that naive? Either way, it doesn't matter - Chris's Russell said that based in his sources, Snyder and Allen have no interest in Briles. Thank goodness for that.

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My list in no particular order except for [B]Lovie Smith[/B] at the top of my want list.
AJ Smith named GM or hire a consultant to assist in hiring a HC/GM:

[B]HC:[/B]
Josh McDaniels (Pats)
Darrell Bevell (Seattle Seahawks)
Pete Carmichael, Jr. (New Orleans Saints)
Tom Clements (Green Bay Packers)
Jay Gruden (Cincinnati Bengals)
Greg Roman (San Francisco 49ers)
Mike Zimmer (Bengals)"
Bill O’Brien (Penn State)
Todd Bowles(Zona)


[B]OC/DC maybe HC:[/B]
Either of the Ryan IF paired with a proven OC


[B]DC/OC only:[/B]
Scott Linehan
Rick Dennison (Houston Texans)
Dick LeBeau
Eric Mangini
Wade Phillips
Gary Kubiac
Hugh Jackson (Bengals)


[B]Key hires:[/B] OC or QB coach that comes from a proven passing scheme and has either (a) developed a young QB before ( has played QB before or has called plays before (even though they will most likely NOT be the primary playcaller here)
Staff:
QB Coach Ken Dorsey (Panthers)
OC/QB coach Phillip Montgomery (Baylor)
QB Coach-Jake Spavital (Texas A&M)
Kurt Roper OC from Duke
James Coley OC from Miami
OC/QB coach Scott Frost (Oregon State)
Zac Taylor (Dolphins)

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What a diva, always about him

QB @RGIII suprises his O-linemen with the gift of @Xbox One "I still appreciate those guys" [url=http://redsk.in/19nHPfQ]The Redskins Blog | Robert Griffin III Surprises Offensive Linemen With The Gift Of Xbox One[/url] pic.twitter.com/H8h0PUnZ1s

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[quote=Mattyk;1051205]What a diva, always about him

QB @RGIII suprises his O-linemen with the gift of @Xbox One "I still appreciate those guys" [url=http://redsk.in/19nHPfQ]The Redskins Blog | Robert Griffin III Surprises Offensive Linemen With The Gift Of Xbox One[/url] pic.twitter.com/H8h0PUnZ1s[/quote]

Divas buy Christmas presents too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1051066]Bill O'Brien: Potential to be great, but I think you have to be patient with him

Gruden: He's a small town guy and I worry how he would handle DC (fans and media)

Briles: I don't know. I don't like that he doesn't have any NFL experience at all. It's a big risk I think that I'm too timid to take a chance on

Shaw: Spoke to him end of last week, he reiterated he doesn't want to leave for the NFL

Whisenhunt: Very solid coach, can he work with RG3's skill set? I don't know

GWilliams: Could very easily see him returning, but as a DC

Lovie: Don't see it happening

Grimm: Don't see that either[/quote]

Per Obrien and patience for him, I think all of Redskins nation from owner to majority of fans have shown patience the last four years AND it will continue as long as we see competence on game day.

I like that Gruden is a small town guy, maybe it's perfect in that he's NOT looking for the limelight. Keep his head down and focus on the team.

Why is Lovie not happening? It irks me because I see Lovie as the perfect fit assuming we have a great OC, which you need anyway. His players always give 100% on the field and he also has that no nonsense factor. Keeps his head down and focuses on the team. Doesn't conjure up bullshit for the media. In many ways he's the opposite of Shanahan. Lovie is a high character guy IMO and will win a Lombardi one day. Just a great fit for DC and RG IMO. I'm pissed there's no interest and wanna know who's to blame?

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Dream Team:

GM: A qualified GM

HC: Lovie Smith

OC: Rick Dennsion
OC/QBs: Phillip Montgomery

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[quote=The Goat;1051211] I'm pissed there's no interest and wanna know who's to blame?[/quote]Lovie is one of the coaches that has the cache to pass on a HC job and IF Dungy doesn't like the Redskins situation Lovie could possibly feel the same way. who knows? just connecting dots

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[quote=Paintrain;1051180]At the [URL="http://httr24-7.com/podcast/httr-podcast-feat-jason-la-canfora-2/"]35 minute mark JLC[/URL] talks about Briles and the possibilities for him as the coach.. I'm still not sold on him being the best decision based on the issues it may cause but if he stacks his staff with NFL vets and has a strong DC and front office guy, I could get behind it.

I'm mildly concerned about if/how his offense will translate but maybe GTripp or someone can speak to that..[/quote]I don't think it would look that similar to what Baylor's offense looks like right now. I think he'd put more emphasis on protecting the QB and emphasize the TE more. But the unique things that Briles brings are that he lines up his receivers really wide and tries to get safeties trying to play the football over their shoulder...that will work wonders in the NFL.

Baylor does do some zone running, but the blocking would be more man-based than it has been since 2007. I think for the game he plays where he tries to reduce the number of players in the box, man blocking works better for that kind of offense. And I'm a zone blocking proponent.

No defense in the NFL is prepared to defend the offense Briles runs. You would need to start drafting cover safeties in bulk, and that takes years to adjust to. Plus, once teams start to get cover first safeties, Briles would adjust to that.

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[quote=30gut;1051213]Lovie is one of the coaches that has the cache to pass on a HC job and IF Dungy doesn't like the Redskins situation Lovie could possibly feel the same way. who knows? just connecting dots[/quote]

Obviously I'm biased in favor of the Skins but I still objectively think DC is the franchise with the most potential that will also be looking for a new HC, with Detroit as a possible tie.

Houston doesn't have a QB, and Lovie should know the importance of that simple fact given he'd have a ring, maye two, if he had a QB instead of Rex in Chicago.

We've got the QB, two RBs featuring different but both impressive skill sets, TEs, a breakout WR and franchise LT. We need a few olineman and another legit wr the offense is set. I think Lovie would make the current defensive personnel top ten. Add a standout safety and depth at corner and LB and we're set.

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Detroit is in all sorts of contract trouble. I think that's the worst job. Except Oakland.

Tennessee and Washington are about in the same spot.

I'd rank the eight jobs likely to be open from worst to best:

-Oakland
-Detroit
-Washington
-Tennessee
-Houston
-New York Jets
-Minnesota
-Tampa Bay
-New York Giants

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[quote=GTripp0012;1051216]Detroit is in all sorts of contract trouble. I think that's the worst job. Except Oakland.

Tennessee and Washington are about in the same spot.

I'd rank the eight jobs likely to be open from worst to best:

-Oakland
-Detroit
-Washington
-Tennessee
-Houston
-New York Jets
-Minnesota
-Tampa Bay
-New York Giants[/quote]

How are basing this? Giants not gonna be opened.

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[quote=Chico23231;1051218]How are basing this? Giants not gonna be opened.[/quote]It won't be opened if Coughlin wants to come back.

One of these years, Belichick is going to step down. And in true Pats fashion, you won't hear any rumblings until it's done.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1051216]Detroit is in all sorts of contract trouble. I think that's the worst job. Except Oakland.

Tennessee and Washington are about in the same spot.

I'd rank the eight jobs likely to be open from worst to best:

-Oakland
-Detroit
-Washington
-Tennessee
-Houston
-New York Jets
-Minnesota
-Tampa Bay
-New York Giants[/QUOTE]

Oakland has high picks and $$$ so they have a chance to really get better

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051225]Oakland has high picks and $$$ so they have a chance to really get better[/quote]

We have a ton of cap space. And as bad as we are this year, well have a high first round pick next year too.... Oh wait.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1051226]We have a ton of cap space. And as bad as we are this year, well have a high first round pick next year too.... Oh wait.[/quote]

Oh wait what, we have our first round pick in 2015.

Yeah just 2014 will be our last yr of no 1

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[quote=GTripp0012;1051216]Detroit is in all sorts of contract trouble. I think that's the worst job. Except Oakland.

Tennessee and Washington are about in the same spot.

I'd rank the eight jobs likely to be open from worst to best:

-Oakland
-Detroit
-Washington
-Tennessee
-Houston
-New York Jets
-Minnesota
-Tampa Bay
-New York Giants[/quote]


So you think Coughlin goes before Garrett ???? No .:postcop:

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I think Lovie like Gregg Williams would be an average coach at best.
This is what I think when I hear the name Lovie:
[url=http://youtu.be/yH-BMbjh1VU]Mrs. Howell iz a freak shawty - YouTube[/url]