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[url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-report-redskins-to-part-with-robert-griffin-iii-after-season-20141130-story.html[/url]

Well, that didn't take long.

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I just noticed that Colt McCoy is 2nd to only the great Aaron Rodgers in QB Rating, with players having at least 75 throws.

#1- Rodgers: 118.6
#2- McCoy: 113.5

Some notables behind McCoy are....

Peyton Manning (108), Tony Romo (106), Andrew Luck (103), Drew Bees (102)

(maybe you've heard of them!)

I was really surprised :)

And for completeness,
Cousins (86.4%) and Griffin (85.7%) were both well down the list.

I was not as surprised by that :(

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So what if Colt pulls out 4 wins so we finish 7-9? Not likely i know, but would there be any question that the 6 wins attributed to him the season would make him next year's presumptive starter? Would that seal RGIII's fate with the Redskins?


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[quote=calia;1097442]So what if Colt pulls out 4 wins so we finish 7-9? Not likely i know, but would there be any question that the 6 wins attributed to him the season would make him next year's presumptive starter? Would that seal RGIII's fate with the Redskins?


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Hell yes it would make McCoy the starter deservedly so. RG is already good as gone tho.

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I am starting to think that this team plans on Starting Colt the rest of this year and potentially next year and training Kirk and then having him as the long term future, we will get whatever we can for RG3 and that looks to be a 3rd at best. I am perfectly happy with that plan and is we get really lucky and Colt is a late bloomer then so be it.

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[quote=hutch17;1097471]I am starting to think that this team plans on Starting Colt the rest of this year and potentially next year and training Kirk and then having him as the long term future, we will get whatever we can for RG3 and that looks to be a 3rd at best. I am perfectly happy with that plan and is we get really lucky and Colt is a late bloomer then so be it.[/quote]

So we are willing to hitch our wagon to a potential late blooming Colt but give up on a possible late blooming RGIII; who by the way has more talent in his pinkie then all of Colt's talent combined.

Might as well at least hang onto RGIII next year; he is under contract, cheap and has the potential to be a super star. Plus they way this team drafts; extra draft picks are never a sure thing.

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[quote=mredskins;1097472]So we are willing to hitch our wagon to a potential late blooming Colt but give up on a possible late blooming RGIII; who by the way has more talent in his pinkie then all of Colt's talent combined.

Might as well at least hang onto RGIII next year; he is under contract, cheap and has the potential to be a super star. Plus they way this team drafts; extra draft picks are never a sure thing.[/quote]

Problem is they would have to decide in May if they wanted to keep him that 5th year.

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I would not pick up th 5'th option and see where he is at at the end of next year and make an offer to keep hi according to how how much (if at all) he has progressed. Or at the very least possibly trade him during the season to a qb needy team and get whatever I could for him


[quote=donofriose;1097473]Problem is they would have to decide in May if they wanted to keep him that 5th year.[/quote]

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[quote=mredskins;1097472]So we are willing to hitch our wagon to a potential late blooming Colt but give up on a possible late blooming RGIII; who by the way has more talent in his pinkie then all of Colt's talent combined.

Might as well at least hang onto RGIII next year; he is under contract, cheap and has the potential to be a super star. Plus they way this team drafts; extra draft picks are never a sure thing.[/quote]

I agree. Right now RGIII will not offer much in trade. Might as well keep him one more year and hope he wakes up.

Colt and Kirk are both career backups. Any talk of riding either of them as the starter next year is foolish.

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[quote=Lotus;1097481[B]]I agree[/B]. Right now RGIII will not offer much in trade. Might as well [B]keep him one more year and hope he wakes up[/B].

Colt and Kirk are both career backups. Any talk of riding either of them as the starter next year is foolish.[/quote]

Totally...the kid is gifted physically....even post injuries. He is very bright and a great spokesman for the team. Hopefully, he can redirect himself and plow himself into becoming......"the best he can be".
And if not....we tried...really sorry Robert....wtf

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To me, the upside of picking up RGIII's 5th year option outweighs any negatives. I also find it difficult to believe that the Skins want to trade him. He's only 24 years old and he's a bright guy. There is time for him to work on his skills and become intimately familiar with this specific offense. Then he can regain his job and reach his full potential.

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[quote=Lotus;1097481]I agree. Right now RGIII will not offer much in trade. Might as well keep him one more year and hope he wakes up.

Colt and Kirk are both career backups. Any talk of riding either of them as the starter next year is foolish.[/quote]

Agree with everything you said! But the franchise sees it differently from what we can tell. Redskins Park already leaked story that RG will be gone after this season, and it's hard to see anybody backtracking from that once it's out there.

It appears the bosses either expect to start McCoy/Cousins next year or find a starter in FA/draft.

Pretty plain it's coming from Gruden. Like some former coaches/players/GMs have said, as a coach you don't dump on the franchise QB the way Gruden did. Can't think of any HC who's handled it this way and gone on to be successful with same QB???

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They still have major salary cap problems. RG3 gets close to $7 million. There are several players contracts that dramatically increase next year.

Trent + $ 4 million*
Ryan K + 4.5 million*
DeSean Jackson + $5 million*
Bowen + $5 million*

* ballpark estimates / they are close

They have several players that will get $1- $2.5 million more next year..... and they continue to pay Morgan, Fletcher, and Carriker

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097484]To me, the upside of picking up RGIII's 5th year option outweighs any negatives. I also find it difficult to believe that the Skins want to trade him. He's only 24 years old and he's a bright guy. There is time for him to work on his skills and become intimately familiar with this specific offense. Then he can regain his job and reach his full potential.[/quote]

Yea but if he suxxorz again next year his value/trade value is even less.
I'd rather just cut to the chase vs another year of drama/game game losses.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1097484][B]To me, the upside of picking up RGIII's 5th year option outweighs any negatives.[/B] I also find it difficult to believe that the Skins want to trade him. He's only 24 years old and he's a bright guy. There is time for him to work on his skills and become intimately familiar with this specific offense. Then he can regain his job and reach his full potential.[/quote]

Plus, even if we pick up the 5th-year option, we can still release Griffin before the new league year begins in March of 2016 and not owe him anything. It's only when the 2016 league year starts that the option salary becomes guaranteed.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1097487]Yea but if he suxxorz again next year his value/trade value is even less.
I'd rather just cut to the chase vs another year of drama/game game losses.[/quote]

Apparently, I believe there is more upside to RGIII than you do. He's so young, so talented, so bright, and so new to the WCO, I just couldn't cut him.

There won't be any drama if RGIII doesn't start until Jay Gruden thinks he is truly ready. Of course, I'm hoping that Jay has taken control of that decision.

Look, Jay has a big mouth. He has said things about RGIII that he probably shouldn't have said publicly. Now, they just need to establish a good working relationship out of the public eye and work together to get RGIII ready to start sometime in the future.

We should forget trade value. The Skins can never recoup the value they paid for RGIII and one 3rd Round pick isn't going to make or break the team. Having a competent RGIII sometime down the line and for years to come could turn us into perennial contenders.

I'm hoping that Skins management doesn't over-react to anything that has transpired between RGIII and management and throw away the opportunity to try to develop him into a franchise QB.

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Pick up the option and trade him, that's what I suspect will happen. Or work with the other team on an extension and trade him.

Either way, I don't see him staying here in 2015. Unfortunately

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097491]Pick up the option and trade him, that's what I suspect will happen. Or work with the other team on an extension and trade him.

Either way, I don't see him staying here in 2015. Unfortunately[/quote]

A-r-r-r-g-h! Sometimes I just hate this franchise.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097491]Pick up the option and trade him, that's what I suspect will happen. Or work with the other team on an extension and trade him.

Either way, I don't see him staying here in 2015. Unfortunately[/quote]

I hope the plan isnt colt/kirk for next season. Need to bring in another QB to compete if thats the case.

I have slightly more hope with Kirk/Colt over Rex/Becks...but not much

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Unbelievable. We trade a buttload of picks for a guy who can't even make it through his rookie contract.

This is a serious indictment of both player and franchise.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1097493]I hope the plan isnt colt/kirk for next season. Need to bring in another QB to compete if thats the case.



I have slightly more hope with Kirk/Colt over Rex/Becks...but not much[/QUOTE]


That's the problem though man. We can't afford to go after a QB right now. We have what appears to be two serviceable QB's on this team. What we don't have is safeties, LB's, pass rush, depth at CB or O line.

I could be wrong, but I think Colt and Kirk are a better option than Rex and Beck. Not by a large margin, but I do think they are better as a whole. I don't see this team making the playoffs next year, so why bother adding another QB? Ride out what we have, make improvements else where and try for a QB in the following offseason, or even in the 2016 offseason.

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[quote=Lotus;1097496]Unbelievable. We trade a buttload of picks for a guy who can't even make it through his rookie contract.

This is a serious indictment of both player and franchise.[/quote]

Systematic failure. The only person (who's not the team owner) who's overseen RG this whole time is Bruce. You would think he's getting the stink eye from Snyder these days...

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I'd have no problem moving forward with McCoy, KC and bring in another guy to compete. Both have shown they can move the offense under this system.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097491]Pick up the option and trade him, that's what I suspect will happen. Or work with the other team on an extension and trade him.

Either way, I don't see him staying here in 2015. Unfortunately[/quote]

If anyone else posted this I would say they were crazy.
This makes perfect sense. The only way for the franchise to hit a new low is to trade RG3 to a team like Arizona where he can get proper coaching and learn for a year or two before taking over and leading them to a Super Bowl.

It will be a rebirth similar to what Steve Young had in SF after leaving TB.

So who is ballsy enough to try to coach him up?
Sean Payton maybe?

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[quote=mredskins;1097472][B]So we are willing to hitch our wagon to a potential late blooming Colt but give up on a possible late blooming RGIII; who by the way has more talent in his pinkie then all of Colt's talent combined.
[/B]
Might as well at least hang onto RGIII next year; he is under contract, cheap and has the potential to be a super star. Plus they way this team drafts; extra draft picks are never a sure thing.[/quote]

Right now, what does Griffin do better than Colt?

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[quote=jamf;1097501]If anyone else posted this I would say they were crazy.
This makes perfect sense. The only way for the franchise to hit a new low is to trade RG3 to a team like Arizona where he can get proper coaching and learn for a year or two before taking over and leading them to a Super Bowl.

It will be a rebirth similar to what Steve Young had in SF after leaving TB.

So who is ballsy enough to try to coach him up?
Sean Payton maybe?[/quote]

RG3 would struggle in Arians offense. Doubt he'd trade for him.

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rg3 will garner a ton of interest. a ton. but im sure bruce will get out-GM'ed and let him go for a 4th. Which is crazy because we held on to Kirk for a second, but wont do the same for RG3.

Makes zero sense. None.

Poor move to trade RG3. Extremely poor

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[quote=mredskins;1097472]So we are willing to hitch our wagon to a potential late blooming Colt but give up on a possible late blooming RGIII; who by the way has more talent in his pinkie then all of Colt's talent combined.

Might as well at least hang onto RGIII next year; he is under contract, cheap and has the potential to be a super star. Plus they way this team drafts; extra draft picks are never a sure thing.[/quote]

I would say the fresh start is what will make him a late bloomer. Getting away from the madness of D.C. may cure what ails him. We have all been there for that needed rebirth it just stinks that if it does occur it will come at the Skins expense.

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[quote=Chico23231;1097504]rg3 will garner a ton of interest. a ton. but im sure bruce will get out-GM'ed and let him go for a 4th. Which is crazy because we held on to Kirk for a second, but wont do the same for RG3.

Makes zero sense. None.

Poor move to trade RG3. Extremely poor[/quote]

We're still in the 2014 season and you're already sure we'll only get a 4th for him?
A Magic 8 Ball you aint.
:Flush:

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[quote=Lotus;1097496]Unbelievable. We trade a buttload of picks for a guy who can't even make it through his rookie contract.

This is a serious indictment of both player and franchise.[/quote]

Burns my britches too.
I'd say 80% of this board concurs.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097502]Right now, what does Griffin do better than Colt?[/quote]

he cant throw the ball farther than 40 yds and cant put enough zip on the ball on out routes to avoid a corner stepping in front for an int.

the dude's arm is such a liability. i dont see how we can call every passing play in the book bc colt cant make every throw in the book.

im pretty sure in 1 play against the colts, colt saw d jax behind the secondary but he hesitated and didnt pull the trigger bc he didnt have confidence in his arm strength.

give RG3 more time to study and develop. correct kirk's panic mode. let colt stick around if rg3 and kirk dont improve.


RG3 could very well win the starter job next PS. i think he needs to open himself up to criticism and take a deep look inside himself to accept his limitations then work like hell on them. .. and any alleged hurt feelings btw him and gruden need to be squashed.

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[quote=over the mountain;1097508]he cant throw the ball farther than 40 yds and cant put enough zip on the ball on out routes to avoid a corner stepping in front for an int.

the dude's arm is such a liability. i dont see how we can call every passing play in the book bc colt cant make every throw in the book.

im pretty sure in 1 play against the colts, colt saw d jax behind the secondary but he hesitated and didnt pull the trigger bc he didnt have confidence in his arm strength.

give RG3 more time to study and develop. correct kirk's panic mode. let colt stick around if rg3 and kirk dont improve.


RG3 could very well win the starter job next PS. i think he needs to open himself up to criticism and take a deep look inside himself to accept his limitations then work like hell on them. .. and any alleged hurt feelings btw him and gruden need to be squashed.[/quote]

He can throw the ball farther than McCoy can, and run read option better. That's pretty much it right now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097511]He can throw the ball farther than McCoy can, and run read option better. That's pretty much it right now.[/quote]

agreed. RG3 needs to make himself the best possible student he can be right now. he has the tools, i 100% believe he can be taught and learn to see the field. in his 3rd NFL season i just dont think he has every really tried to learn yet.

if he doesnt have a fire lit under his ass now, he never will.

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The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade), but this has been progressively getting worse.

And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk

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[quote=Chico23231;1097504]rg3 will garner a ton of interest. a ton. but im sure bruce will get out-GM'ed and let him go for a 4th. Which is crazy because we held on to Kirk for a second, but wont do the same for RG3.

Makes zero sense. None.

Poor move to trade RG3. Extremely poor[/quote]

I'd say maybe a couple teams would have him come in to compete to be a starter. Maybe the Jets, Buffalo and Tampa. I'd say there would be a few teams that would like him as a back up...Dallas, Seattle and SF.

Remember, every team now has seen the tape of him playing below average the last two years, plus all the drama that comes with it. Dallas would be the perfect landing spot for him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1097513]The frustration level with RG3 is high within the building, it's pretty high with Kirk too but Gruden and co. feel that's correctable.

Hoping cooler heads prevail as far as RG3 and they see the mistake they could be making in letting him go (even in a trade),[B] but this has been progressively getting worse.
[/B]
And once he's lost the support of Dan, there's little turning back. Not saying he's lost Dan's support but Snyder's no longer "standing on the table" for him

I suspect as well that the team knows it needs to make a choice "Rob or Kirk" and while Rob won't get you as much as you traded for him, he'll get you a lot more than Kirk[/quote]

How??

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097502]Right now, what does Griffin do better than Colt?[/quote]

Sells subs.

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Man just when you think this franchise can't embarrass itself any further, they keep lowering the bar. I really hope the relationship between RG3 and the Skins can be repaired after the cost we gave up to get him, but I think we all know how this ends.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097515]How??[/quote]

Lot of distrust/frustration

And each injury just delays the process

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Redskins FS Ryan Clark is fully expected to retire after the season.

Clark, 35, just doesn't have it anymore, and hasn't had it for the past couple years. He's been a massive part of the problem on the back end for the Redskins, grading out as Pro Football Focus' No. 85 safety out of 86 qualifiers and struggling in all phases of the game. Clark has a job waiting for him at ESPN.

per rotoworld