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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1095982]Won the games he has played in.[/QUOTE]


Wins? Wins? Who cares about wins. Its about who suffers the worst injuries. RG-3! RG-3! Come on everybody! RG-3!.....


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[quote=Gary84Clark;1095964]RG3 sacrificed his body for the team, what has Colt McCoy done? 1 and a half games. Once Gruden makes the switch it is permanent. Would you risk your livelihood on Colt McCoy? Be honest.[/quote]
Hmmm.....Offiss?

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At least Colt did not look like a high school QB..RGIII is done in washington! ..If Gruden thought that it was even a small chance that Robert was ever going to be the answer at QB he never would have said those things about Robert in public..he knew it was over! what bothers me is that Gruden knew this all along..if the front office/owner would have listened they could have played Colt and Most likely traded RGIII for at least something..but after He started at Tampa and his level of play is at a high school level and all the other teams know this..whats his value now? At best 4th round ..If the skins flat out waive RGIII the Jets are the only team that would pick him up ..what team wants the drama..lets face it the SKINS blew this deal from day one..I don't fault them so much for the pick but how much they gave up for it..if you remember cleveland also wanted RGIII ..they refused to give away the future for him and stayed pat..look at them now and look at us! the sad part its not over Snyder is already looking at the next Shiny toy he can get..Winston is on the list for sure. How about drafting the best OL out there..give protection to who ever is the QB of the future..and can somebody tell me why Colt is not even being considered as a legit QB..I know he does not have a big arm but my goodness at least he looked like he can read a defense and make the average throws..if i remember correct Joe Montana did not have a cannon ..he just understood the game. I am tired of the latest greatest college Qb that comes into the league and thinks he is already all pro..maybe what the Skins need is a Colt type QB ..no drama,hard worker..TEAM player..studies the game ..goes out on sunday and makes the simple stuff work . If the Redskins have to have Brady or Rogers to win games then we will never win another title..sometimes you have to game plan with what you have ..WITH RGIII you can't have a game plan with Colt you can!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1095943]I'm not sure where those rumors of special privileges for Griffin's family started, but they're just not true[/QUOTE]


Too many rumors always seem to be following this team. Big part of the problem according to Fletcher.

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[quote=Mattyk;1095997]Too many rumors always seem to be following this team. Big part of the problem according to Fletcher.[/quote]

Would you say this fueled by an insider or media wanting to create a story?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1095997]Too many rumors always seem to be following this team. Big part of the problem according to Fletcher.[/QUOTE]


I want to say win games so they have something else to talk about, but other losing organizations dont seem to have this problem. Has to be due to the fact they are located in the nations capital....


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[quote=rocnrik;1095996]At least Colt did not look like a high school QB..RGIII is done in washington! ..If Gruden thought that it was even a small chance that Robert was ever going to be the answer at QB he never would have said those things about Robert in public..he knew it was over! what bothers me is that Gruden knew this all along..if the front office/owner would have listened they could have played Colt and Most likely traded RGIII for at least something..but after He started at Tampa and his level of play is at a high school level and all the other teams know this..whats his value now? At best 4th round ..If the skins flat out waive RGIII the Jets are the only team that would pick him up ..what team wants the drama..lets face it the SKINS blew this deal from day one..I don't fault them so much for the pick but how much they gave up for it..if you remember cleveland also wanted RGIII ..they refused to give away the future for him and stayed pat..look at them now and look at us! the sad part its not over Snyder is already looking at the next Shiny toy he can get..Winston is on the list for sure. How about drafting the best OL out there..give protection to who ever is the QB of the future..and can somebody tell me why Colt is not even being considered as a legit QB..I know he does not have a big arm but my goodness at least he looked like he can read a defense and make the average throws..if i remember correct Joe Montana did not have a cannon ..he just understood the game. I am tired of the latest greatest college Qb that comes into the league and thinks he is already all pro..maybe what the Skins need is a Colt type QB ..no drama,hard worker..TEAM player..studies the game ..goes out on sunday and makes the simple stuff work . If the Redskins have to have Brady or Rogers to win games then we will never win another title..sometimes you have to game plan with what you have ..WITH RGIII you can't have a game plan with Colt you can![/quote]

[B][SIZE="5"]The Great Wall of Text[/SIZE][/B]

Come one come all and marvel in its ineptness.

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Unfortunately, many wacky things have happened for real at Redskins Park over the years, making wild rumors easier to believe. I'm glad that the current RGIII rumors are false.

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[quote=Chico23231;1095970]SS, Does Jay have support from inside the organization on his handling of RG3? Or is it still split from within?

Any insight much appreciated.[/quote]

I think he has begrudging support. I don't think Dan is too thrilled with what's going on. Bruce, who I don't think ever was totally sold on RG3, is torn between supporting his head coach and appeasing his boss.

Overall though, I think support for Griffin has waned

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[quote=kct1975;1095965]I agree that while the article I linked to above is a bit bombastic, I do tend to believe the old saying "Where's there's smoke, there's fire"

I have heard some of the local broadcasters say that RG3 was given some special treatment from Dan Snyder.

I have also heard the same local broadcasters mention just recently that several of the Redskins players have turned against RG3.

So, while I do agree that the article seems to be over-selling the problems, I do think that they exist.[/quote]

I'm sure there are times when RG3 and his family received some extra consideration. It's exaggerated in my opinion because a) it's not a regular occurrence b) I'm not there, but I've never heard anyone (even anti RG3 people) say his family abuses any privileges and c) when I was there I used to see other players (back up linemen) get the occasional special treatment for their families as circumstances dictated

There are definitely players that don't like RG3. Many that don't like Cousins either. Did they turn on RG3 or just never like him? That I don't know

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[quote=SmootSmack;1096003]I think he has begrudging support. I don't think Dan is too thrilled with what's going on. Bruce, who I don't think ever was totally sold on RG3, is torn between supporting his head coach and appeasing his boss.

Overall though, I think support for Griffin has waned[/quote]

Interesting on Bruce. thanks.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1095999]I want to say win games so they have something else to talk about, but other losing organizations dont seem to have this problem. Has to be due to the fact they are located in the nations capital....


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All the dry snitching as Moss called it definitely causes problems and fosters a negative environment. It's bush league drama at it's best.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1096006]All the dry snitching as Moss called it definitely causes problems and fosters a negative environment. It's bush league drama at it's best.[/QUOTE]


Oh agreed. I just think the DC media makes it not go away better than most others.


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[quote=SmootSmack;1096003]I think he has begrudging support. I don't think Dan is too thrilled with what's going on. Bruce, who I don't think ever was totally sold on RG3, is torn between supporting his head coach and appeasing his boss.

Overall though, I think support for Griffin has waned[/quote]

It agree that support for RG has waned. The coaches know RG is not part of this team's future and I think the rest of the organization is slowly coming to that conclusion.

2 weeks ago I wouldn't have said it but now I really believe that there's a real chance RG will not be a Redskin by this time next year. He may succeed for another team, although I doubt it, but any success he has as a pocket passing QB wont be here in DC.

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1095979]I think its unfair to the rest of the team, especially those with performance incentives in their contract, to not try to win every game.





You just don't throw a game. Period. IMO.[/QUOTE]



This...

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If we finish 4-12 or worse Jay may be fired. Hell some think he's a 1 and done already smh

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RGIII will be given one more change before if he cant win!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1096041]If we finish 4-12 or worse Jay may be fired. Hell some think he's a 1 and done already smh[/quote]

If he's one and done, who the hell would want to coach this team? Dennis Allen?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1096041]If we finish 4-12 or worse Jay may be fired. Hell some think he's a 1 and done already smh[/quote]

I've said it from day one that I believe Gruden is a one and done coach - and if there is any doubt in Dan Snyder's mind his firing will be cemented when / if he benches RG3 for good.

I guess the next coach is going to be told straight up that he plays RG3 period or its his job.... I shudder to think of who the next coach might be....

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IF Gruden is one and done then we will have moved below the belly of Cleveland. While I cannot fathom life without football my Sundays have been more relaxed since said in my heart eff'em. Firing a solid hire like Gruden would move me closer to out the door. I already don't listen to the NFL like I did just last year, cancelled Sirius radio NFL package, and overall just have little desire to give myself over to it.

The Warpath really is my last external link to football consuming my life and I don't post / check it nearly as much now.

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I don't particularly like thinking about this, but if Gruden benches Griffin(which is likely if he keeps playing poorly) and still doesn't win with McCoy(also likely), I think there's a decent chance he'll be one and done here, unless he sticks with Griffin long enough to convince Snyder that he really is a lost cause.

I also wonder if Gruden makes Snyder uncomfortable with his criticism(both public and private)of Griffin? That might play a part too.

Firing Gruden after one year would be a very stupid move IMO. And I also don't think Griffin is a lost cause. What he needs the most right now is confidence. I think that would take care of a lot of issues(taking the wrong drop, for example) and allow Gruden and Griffin to focus on developing the things that really need to be developed(going through his reads, for example) and aren't just a matter of confidence/not thinking too much. And some stuff like feeling pressure in the pocket just comes with playing time. My two(disjointed and parenthesized) cents...

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Gruden's brutal assessment of RG seems accurate to me. Do we let RG keep playing for the rest of this debacle of a season or do we try to win with McCoy now?

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^ Win what with McCoy exactly? This season is already lost. It's evaluation time.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1096055]^ Win what with McCoy exactly? This season is already lost. It's evaluation time.[/QUOTE]


I realize that it is important to give Griff every chance we can, but there are other players on the team that might not like losing. Winning is important. It is mentally important to the other players and this Staff to win games. Even if they are "meaningless".
In my heart I want Griff to succeed and pay off for us. It would be the best possible scenario for a handful of reasons. We wouldnt need to adress the QB position being the most important. In my head though I know its over. Sorry. Just how I see it. His mechanics, pocket awareness, and ability to see the field are God awful. If they were just bad than I would reserve hope. Just bad. They are God awful.
I think that winning is much needed for the confidence of this team and coaching staff going forward. It is not an exercise in futility because the games are meaningless. Holding out hope for Griff and more losing probably is though imo.


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Snyder has an ego, no doubt, but I really don't think he's dumb.

He watches games, probably even watches tape. He has to be slowly coming to the same realization that most of the rest of us are arriving at.

I agree with the sentiment that you never go into a game to lose....never.

Screw a few draft spots....we'd probably get the 2nd pick and mess it up again anyway!

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I am still baffled how folks thing colt is going role in here and we all sudden start hanging w's. Dude is a journey man at best.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1096063]I am still baffled how folks thing colt is going role in here and we all sudden start hanging w's. Dude is a journey man at best.[/QUOTE]


I was baffled by him too, until I saw him with my own eyes win the Titans game, and the Dallas game. Do you really think, after seeing Griff play, that he could not have made the difference against the Vikings, Bucs, and Niners?



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[quote=punch it in;1096065]I was baffled by him too, until I saw him with my own eyes win the Titans game, and the Dallas game. Do you really think, after seeing Griff play, that he could not have made the difference against the Vikings, Bucs, and Niners?



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Me and you never agree so for me to say that people or underestimating Colts value and success he can have is a reach. There is a reason he was brought in to Washington and he's looked good for his limited role so far.

RG3 is not done in the NFL but to keep playing him this year while he continues to play worse every week and not better is a mistake. There is nothing wrong with us lickin our wounds from what we paid to get him and have him carry a clipboard till his mechanics recover or get better.

Besides.. him playing worse every week gives us no value if they plan to go that route with him.

I made a prediction in another thread that mcCoy would come in this week and lead us to 4 straight wins doing his best Steve Young impression

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1096068]Me and you never agree so for me to say that people or underestimating Colts value and success he can have is a reach. There is a reason he was brought in to Washington and he's looked good for his limited role so far.



RG3 is not done in the NFL but to keep playing him this year while he continues to play worse every week and not better is a mistake. There is nothing wrong with us lickin our wounds from what we paid to get him and have him carry a clipboard till his mechanics recover or get better.



Besides.. him playing worse every week gives us no value if they plan to go that route with him.



I made a prediction in another thread that mcCoy would come in this week and lead us to 4 straight wins doing his best Steve Young impression[/QUOTE]


I think hell just froze over. Lmao. Completely agree with you, except that I really dont feel confident that Griff will make it in the NFL at this point. However I like the guy and I hope he does.


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[quote=mredskins;1096063]I am still baffled how folks thing colt is going role in here and we all sudden start hanging w's. Dude is a journey man at best.[/quote]
Your great wall of text thread ?? I'm not sure what you meant there. I came to this site because of all the BS on the other sites..If I can't post my thoughts here among other fans where can I ? And as far as Colt goes he is way better right now than RGIII. Prove me wrong.I would love to see RGIII make a turn around and become the franchise player we all hoped he would be..are you sure you are watching the same games I am? If I am wrong about Robert please somebody show me..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1096077]Your great wall of text thread ?? I'm not sure what you meant there. I came to this site because of all the BS on the other sites..If I can't post my thoughts here among other fans where can I ? And as far as Colt goes he is way better right now than RGIII. Prove me wrong.I would love to see RGIII make a turn around and become the franchise player we all hoped he would be..are you sure you are watching the same games I am? If I am wrong about Robert please somebody show me..[/QUOTE]


Give Matty your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...
Lol.
I agree man. We all want RG-3 to be the man. We are all Skins fans. Im seeing the same sad thing you are...it sucks. Maybe this week something clicks. Stranger things have happened.


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The Texas Noodle has given us our best QB passing game play. But that is not saying much. Also, the running game does not work as well when he is in because defenses don't respect his deep ball so defenders creep toward the line.

The Texas Noodle can manage games well but is ill prepared to carry the team.

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Well Skinsfan 69 just reported that noodle arm is getting the start Sunday so we will see...


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All I know is McCoy won two games and Griffin looks totally and utterly lost. The players hate losing, the fans hate losing and Gruden hates losing. I think if it were up to Gruden, McCoy would be starting. But it's not up to Gruden.

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[QUOTE=Fan033;1096096]All I know is McCoy won two games and Griffin looks totally and utterly lost. The players hate losing, the fans hate losing and Gruden hates losing. [B] I think if it were up to Gruden, McCoy would be starting. But it's not up to Gruden[/B].[/QUOTE]
So who benched Griffin?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1096099]So who benched Griffin?[/quote]


I think someone drugged Danny and made the call hopefully game will be over before he wakes up.

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[QUOTE=Hijinx;1096105]I think someone drugged Danny and made the call hopefully game will be over before he wakes up.[/QUOTE]


Hopefully the next 20 years will be over before he wakes up!


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If Colt looks bad then what?

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So true, more real change needed

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/jay-gruden-wins-over-dan-snyder-bruce-allen-on-griffin-but-he-must-push-for-more/2014/11/26/cdb888ee-7529-11e4-a755-e32227229e7b_story.html]Jay Gruden wins over Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen on Griffin, but he must push for more - The Washington Post[/url]