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[quote=Chico23231;1129681]It's gonna be hard to fix unless we add talent and get new coaches...that's kinda what we are saying.[/quote]

Well, we're adding talent, it just that it needs time to develop. People can't go all "let's slash and burn everything" when our rebuilding team takes on THE two best teams in the league and they get beaten.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1129684]Well, we're adding talent, it just that it needs time to develop. People can't go all "let's slash and burn everything" when our rebuilding team takes on THE two best teams in the league and they get beaten.[/QUOTE]


Rite as effing Skins fans we should know that better than anyone.

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Skins control own destiny. We win our final 4 division games and we'll win the east.

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The really effed up thing about our rebuild, besides the fact that we are one win away from first place in December, is that we need a running back. Lol. I thought we had a two headed monster a few weeks ago. Instead we have two monsters. Mudfoot, and butterfingers.

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My only concern about this team is the next game against the Giants. They are coming off a bye and playing better than they did earlier this season. They were good enough to almost beat the Pats.

Luckily the game is at home, but I just hope they are ready for this game. Anything goes during divisional games. And I think we'll truly find out this week whether we are improving or not.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1129684]Well, we're adding talent, it just that it needs time to develop. People can't go all "let's slash and burn everything" when our rebuilding team takes on THE two best teams in the league and they get beaten.[/quote]

Well the Giants and jets games we were never in either...but yeah pats and panthers probably 2 of the top 5 teams in the league. Can't believe we lost to the dumpster fire known as the Dolphins.

Are we good with Jay gruden getting only 1 win on the road as a hc 1.5 years into his tenure?

Joe Barry, you were given a better secondary and better d line and this is what we should expect?

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[quote=Chico23231;1129691]Well the Giants and jets games we were never in either...but yeah pats and panthers probably 2 of the top 5 teams in the league. Can't believe we lost to the dumpster fire known as the Dolphins.

Are we good with Jay gruden getting only 1 win on the road as a hc 1.5 years into his tenure?

Joe Barry, you were given a better secondary and better d line and this is what we should expect?[/quote]

Defense played well against the Pats and the Saints. Our defense is not good enough to overcome no running game or the refs taking 14 points away from us or playing against two undefeated teams.

And last year was a clusterf*ck. I'm seeing some improvements this year. I hope to see some improvements in the next couple of games, especially with the playoffs carrot dangling in front of everyone.

IMO the only way we should have a coaching change if everything falls apart in the next games.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1129691]Well the Giants and jets games we were never in either...but yeah pats and panthers probably 2 of the top 5 teams in the league. Can't believe we lost to the dumpster fire known as the Dolphins.



Are we good with Jay gruden getting only 1 win on the road as a hc 1.5 years into his tenure?



Joe Barry, you were given a better secondary and better d line and this is what we should expect?[/QUOTE]


Considering the team Jay inherited could only muster 4 wins a year period i am fine with it....for now.

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about the only good news out of this mess is that it only counts as ONE loss.

I think the next few games will tell the us and the world whether we keep the same coaches or look elsewhere next year.

But yeah, sooner or later Gruden & co. have to get some road wins.

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Has anybody seen anything special from preston smith? I haven't seen him do much in the first 10 game. I don't want to be critical of his play, but i haven't seen him do much. I thought he would be the start by now and trent murphy would be the backup.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1129695]Has anybody seen anything special from preston smith? I haven't seen him do much in the first 10 game. I don't want to be critical of his play, but i haven't seen him do much. I thought he would be the start by now and trent murphy would be the backup.[/quote]

I've been watching him. No explosiveness at all coming off the edge.

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Smith doesn't look like a impact but he's a rookie let's wait until after 2016 to see.. we definitely need a pass rusher next yr

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Pass rusher, cb, s, mlb, rb, c. Those would be my targets in FA and the draft.

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Idk if it's been brought up but what do u guys think about hatchers comments? It does seem like the nfl is after us

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1129701]Idk if it's been brought up but what do u guys think about hatchers comments? It does seem like the nfl is after us[/quote]

I don't know, but I think that if Culliver's penalty had happened to the Patriots, every sports outlet would be talking about it.

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After that play the skins just said f it. It was obvious

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Horrible call, should've been 21-14, and could have changed the game.

BUT sh$$t happens. Bad calls happen. Bad penalties happen.

Good teams don't complain when something goes wrong, and throw a hissy fit to the media claiming prejudice. Really? The official was pissed off about a team name so he called a penalty? Say wha??

- Breeland had a chance for the INT in the endzone, he dropped it.
- We had tons of chances to stop them with 1st and 20, 2nd and 22.. We didnt.
- We allowed 5 touchdowns in ~35 minutes of play.
- We committed 5 fumbles, and our top two RB ran for zero yards.


Why are we talking about a penalty when there are a thousand reasons that are entirely our fault that we lost.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129672]I want to hear what the league says or does about this.[/quote]

The NFL as a group are politically correct cowards, aka I guarantee the league comes out and says that bullshit call was correct on that Culliver pick 6. The fix is in against the Skins. It just is.

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I said it earlier, but I'll reiterate, if we beat the Giants next game, this one is all but completely forgotten. 5-6 is our division, including 2-1 in division, we're right in the mix still

Thank you Tampa! Boo Dolphins.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1129636]Did Wade Phillips say no to us? Or did we not ask him? Hopefully its the former.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, I don't think he was ever interviewed

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The Panthers would have won without the terrible officiating.

That said, Boger (Booger) would have been booed and shamed out of the NFL in mid-season if he had been a replacement NFL ref. He has always been horrible.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129696]I've been watching him. No explosiveness at all coming off the edge.[/quote]

He can't cover either.

Smith should not have been drafted as an OLB because he is too slow for that position in the NFL. The Skins had him lose weight to play OLB. I think they should have him gain weight to play DT.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1129709]The Panthers would have won without the terrible officiating.

That said, Boger (Booger) would have been booed and shamed out of the NFL in mid-season if he had been a replacement NFL ref. He has always been horrible.[/quote]

Yeah I agree about boger and his crew. They have always sucked and show a bias for or against certain teams. We happen to be one of the teams that they are against.

Even though I disagree with the call against Culliver, its a non issue if they call the 4 or 5 times that the panthers did it. I know Jordan Reed had the same kind of hit in the first quarter, where he is still considered in the defenseless phase. Garcon had several of the same thing. Call any one of the 4 or 5, and they can claim that it went both ways, but they didnt. If its such a dangerous play, then why the one time we did it, its a penalty but the multiple times they did it... nothing.

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Horrible, horrible penalty.

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[quote=kct1975;1129708]Honestly, I don't think he was ever interviewed[/quote]

Im pretty sure we spoke to him, but we chose to go in another direction. We could have easily had him as the D coordinator. He woulda loved to coach with his son here.

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[quote=punch it in;1129680]Yes obviously we have deficiencies. Im just not ready to start looking towards fixing them yet. Too much left to play for at this point. We win next week and we are in first place due to division record if i am not mistaken. We will fix things that need to be fixed in due time.[/quote]That's exactly my point.

There is too much to play for without identifying and addressing the deficiencies that can be addressed through coaching/scheme and gameplan.

If the team doesn't play with more discipline, if the run game doesn't improve if the run defense doesn't improve if the passing game doesn't become more explosive if we can't get more sacks then we're not winning squat.

Imo most of the above areas can be improved enough through coaching to get better results.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1129692]...the only way we should have a coaching change if everything falls apart in the next games.[/quote]Certainly. But are you happy with current play of all areas of the team if status quo was maintained?
For me thats not good enough.

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Watching it at a bar, so I couldn't hear much and missed some plays, but it looks like the team straight up gave up after those two big calls. There was actually a ton of intensity up until the phantom Reed holding call. It was like the team just straight quit. I agree, good teams don't do that, but damn, the effort just went to 1% and EVERYONE KNOWS you have to give 110%! :D

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[quote=30gut;1129715]Certainly. But are you happy with current play of all areas of the team if status quo was maintained?
For me thats not good enough.[/quote]

bingo...me neither. Like ive stated previously, we are a more talented team this year with the same bullshit results.

Im probably gonna start a thread, but I want to know who is satisfied with another double digit loss season? Too me, if we loss 10 again, Gruden, McVay, Barry should fucking go. Keep Callahan, Fewell and Special Teams coach...

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I could stomach the loss if we were competitive! i am starting to believe that Gruden is not the answer at all. Cousins actually did not play bad under the circumstances..NO RUNNING GAME..NO BLOCKING..it was all on him. Our D is horrible..i blame that on the D coordinator..He needs to be fired.

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That officiating crew needs to be fired. Those morons actually talked it over and still called unnecessary roughness on Culliver??? They should return their paychecks for that POS performance.

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I heard an interview with Clinton Portis last week in which he commented that rushers like Morris need to get in a bunch of reps before they start finding their groove. I'd like to see them commit to Morris and keep Jones on the bench. Morris has great for us for three years, Jones likes to cough up the ball. Why did Morris get two carries yesterday??

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Jim Zorn was 2-of-17 for 25 yards, completing both passes to Steve Largent. Sherman Smith ran the ball seven times for 16 yards, and there were five other runs that totaled seven more yards. Had that been the end of it, the Seahawks would have gained 48 yards against the Rams, which would be good for the 16th-worst total in NFL history.

But that wasn't the end of it.

Though they didn't keep individual sack numbers at the time, Zorn was credited as going down six times (I've seen different totals for this, going as high as eight) and losing 55 yards. The Seahawks total offense that day was -7 yards, the worst performance that the league has ever seen. They gained one first down all game long and never made it past their own 42 yard line.

[url=http://www.fieldgulls.com/2013/9/17/4738146/seahawks-worst-nfl-game-rams-1979]Minus 7 yards: The Seahawks and the worst offensive performance in NFL history - Field Gulls[/url]



We ran for 14 yards total, lost 35 yds on 5 sacks = -21 yds rushing

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400791707]Redskins vs. Panthers - Team Statistics - November 22, 2015 - ESPN[/url]

This is getting statistically impossible for our running game to be this bad. Has any team ever rushed for negative rushing yards wout considering yds lost for sacks?
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coff - morris sd he had a rib injury, he had hurt it previously and sd something like "it just popped out today" and he popped it back in. ive never heard of a rib "popping out" unless its a fractured rib but hes a tough dude.

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[quote=Coff;1129723]I heard an interview with Clinton Portis last week in which he commented that rushers like Morris need to get in a bunch of reps before they start finding their groove. I'd like to see them commit to Morris and keep Jones on the bench. Morris has great for us for three years, Jones likes to cough up the ball. Why did Morris get two carries yesterday??[/quote]

He got hurt

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Poor tackling and undisciplined penalties definitely land square in the laps of the coaches.

I think we've got a pretty average coaching staff. Give them elite talent and they'll get outsmarted in the playoffs by the best coaches.

Jay knows how to scheme an offense and keep the chains moving. But the staff doesn't keep the team disciplined enough to avoid penalties. Players stop pursuing plays when they think their teammate has made a tackle, there's no discipline there.

Gregg Williams made sure there were always 6 Redskins meeting at the ball carrier. That's not happening here. I'm definitely not satisfied with the coaching staff.

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[quote=Mattyk;1129712]Horrible, horrible penalty.[/quote]

Two penalties that stick out the most that would have changed the momentum of the game.

The culliver one

Then the next drive (after three bad calls in the end zone including not getting the call against cocthery when he tried to catch a ball after stepping out of the back of the endzone)

The holding call on Reed the next series.

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With a half a day to digest the game there's no reason to say the officiating "cost the game" but I do think with a good certainty that they definitely had a big part in swinging momentum at 3 specific points in the game on very sketchy borderline calls.

Call #1 - The Culliver call. This is the most obvious one, it takes points off the board. It was a big physical play that had the potential to turn the game in our favor or at least put the Panthers in a different position for the first time in the game. If they are calling THAT unnecessary roughness then how on earth did they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Reed on our series before? The defender dove into Reed helmet first and speared him and there was no call.

Call #2 On that Panthers drive that continued because of Call #1 (I believe it was that drive) Panthers were 2nd and goal and the pass is incomplete, setting up a 3rd and goal....oh except they call illegal contact on another very weak justification. This gives the Panthers 1st and goal and they end up with a TD. I'd say this one was more of a "who knows what would have happened" type call because the Panthers did still have 3rd down to score, but if our defense holds and they kick a FG it is a big deal for the defense.

Call #3 - another obvious one, the phantom "hold" by Reed on Cousins's scramble to the 4 yard line to setup 1st and goal. I'm sorry by Reed's arms weren't extended and when you are body to body you can have the jersey in the shoulder pad area. Just another razor thin call that takes away a huge play. 1st and goal, could cut the game to 21-28 going into half time.

Like I said, we don't win the game merely because these calls don't happen, but it really seemed like the team was dejected after this series of events as the game went from competitive to a laugher within half a quarter of play.

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We can complain about the coaches and all that, but we're still playing for first place at home against the Giants next week. I'd bury this one right away and move on. We suck on the road. It is what it is. We'll see what everyone is made of, not only against the Giants, but the Cowboys as well. If we can go 2-0, then we're 6-6 and in the drivers seat.

Bottom line, we are still need 2-3 solid drafts, as well as a couple good FA signings. We need several more guys that can block, tackle, cover and rush the passer.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1129731]We can complain about the coaches and all that, but we're still playing for first place at home against the Giants next week. [B]I'd bury this one right away and move on. We suck on the road. It is what it is.[/B] We'll see what everyone is made of, not only against the Giants, but the Cowboys as well. If we can go 2-0, then we're 6-6 and in the drivers seat.

Bottom line, we are still need 2-3 solid drafts, as well as a couple good FA signings. We need several more guys that can block, tackle, cover and rush the passer.[/quote]


As long as the team does that. We are fans, we still get a day to bitch and moan. Hahaha

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Redskins-DeSean-Jackson-Chris-Culliver-weigh-in-on-the-call-41325139]Redskins: DeSean Jackson, Chris Culliver weigh in on 'the call'[/url]

I wouldn't go so far as to say the team quit. I'm sure it took a lot of air out of their sails...how could it not? That INT and return for a TD was HUGE for us. To have it taken away definitely had an impact and I think before some of the guys got over the disbelief of such an incredibly inept, totally ridiculous call of such magnitude, things snowballed in a hurry. The Panthers took advantage of our obvious lack of focus at that point and we got steamrolled. Once a play is over its over. Hard as it may be, forget it and keep ballin'. It ain't coming back.