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[quote=Chico23231;1139108]cant expect much from yahoo sports, they are fairly hot garbage in terms of sports journalism.

I mean, anyone who watched the cowturds know they have major issues at every area on the field. WR, RB, QB, Secondary, Linebacker, Pass Rush, Coaching, etc.

Does that seem like a first place team?[/quote]

Not only that but the rankings mean jack shit, half the teams in the league will look totally different in 6 months. It's just useless click bait. I am mostly mad at myself for giving them 1 more click than they deserve.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1139074]I agree he is a bum, but I do not disagree with him. I don't think we are in the same class as Seattle or AZ. We are one more year away from being a legitimate challenger. I' sure we all agree Dallas is one injury away from being the NFC East dumpster fire.[/quote]

It does blow my mind that no matter how poorly Dallas plays, they are always in the conversation to win the NFC East and to go on to the Super Bowl. Provided, had the 'skins gotten past GB in the playoffs, maybe people would start recognizing them as a legitimate threat, but it still makes me laugh. Nobody else can use the excuse of injuries for a bad season, but if it's Dallas, "Oh, Dez was hurt, Romo was hurt...." That's two players from a 53-man roster! Provided, Romo and Dez are two of the best on their team, but still, the Cowturds could go 0-16 next year and they'll still say Dallas is the best in the NFC East.

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Lol @ all this bullshit its so laughable. .. cant wait to see what happens this year

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My plan for better days ahead.....

DEF--
o draft and/or sign a ILB

o draft and/or sign a CB/NB

o keep Hatcher and Knighton

o draft DL (take advantage of the quality depth of DL in this draft)

o draft an edge rusher

o draft a S

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i'm not sure i'd keep hatcher or knighton. i guess it depends on what we're looking at in FA/the draft.

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[quote=That Guy;1139202]i'm not sure i'd keep hatcher or knighton. i guess it depends on what we're looking at in FA/the draft.[/quote]I guess it comes down to your assessment of their production. For me I think they are both productive players in different facets 1 via the pass the other the run.

I think losing them creates a hole we cant currently fill. We can hope the players we acquire via draft/FA are as good or better but i would rather add to them as opposed trying to replace their production.

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[quote=That Guy;1139202]i'm not sure i'd keep hatcher or knighton. i guess it depends on what we're looking at in FA/the draft.[/quote]

I am sure I would not keep Hatcher or Knighton. You can save about 10 million dollars if they retire/leave. The draft is very deep at defensive line. And they could sign a free agent NT that is not 50lbs overweight .

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[quote=Irrefutable;1139205]I am sure I would not keep Hatcher or Knighton. You can save about 10 million dollars if they retire/leave. The draft is very deep at defensive line. And they could sign a free agent NT that is not 50lbs overweight .[/quote]

Agree.

I really like Hatcher, but he is too old. The "want to" is still there but at his age and with his injury history, he can't recover from the beating he takes in a single week. He noticeably wears down over a season.

Hatcher has an 8.7m cap hit next year and a 4.2m cap savings if cut. His body isn't going to be able to recover any better being another year older. We need to cut ties and spend the money on youth.

Knighton was out of shape the entire season. He couldn't stay in for 2 plays in a row and be 100% effective. His play did pick up toward the last 3 or 4 games but he was a non-factor most of the year.

We shouldn't extend a guy who stayed so out of shape in his "prove it" year. Being 50 pounds overweight is really about self control. He would have been so much better hovering around the 350 mark.

The performance through 2015 didn't warrant bringing him back at anywhere near his 4m contract.

For the folk(s) that want to bring them back, what kind of contract numbers are you talking about?

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Free Agent safeties the Redskins will consider;

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/09/pro-top-10-safeties-about-to-hit-free-agency/[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1139212]Free Agent safeties the Redskins will consider;

[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/09/pro-top-10-safeties-about-to-hit-free-agency/[/url][/quote]

Thanks for posting the article.

There are a lot of talented players on that list. I could envision the Skins picking up one of them on a cap-friendly short term contract. If they do, I'd prefer someone who also plays ST.

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The Bears have informed Matt Forte that they will not be offering him a contract. Some NFL GM's have said they think his next contract will be in the $4MM/Yr. range. If he can be signed to a cap-friendly contract, I think he might be a very good fit for the Skins. I would expect him to share the workload with Jones.

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I like Forte, I just don't see him coming here. RB is just not a money spot any more. If we were one RB away, yes, I would be open to spending some cap space for him. Right now, better to draft and develop a RB who fits.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1139205]I am sure I would not keep Hatcher or Knighton. You can save about 10 million dollars if they retire/leave. The draft is very deep at defensive line. And they could sign a free agent NT that is not 50lbs overweight .[/QUOTE]
But what about their production?

How do you replace the holes created by letting your best run stopper and best pass rushing DL walk?

Seems like digging a hole, only to turn around and have to fill a hole.

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With Knighton, the hole is dug b/c he is a free agent. Just a matter if we bring him or someone else back.

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[quote=30gut;1139216]But what about their production?

How do you replace the holes created by letting your best run stopper and best pass rushing DL walk?

Seems like digging a hole, only to turn around and have to fill a hole.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk[/quote]

Respectfully disagree with the characterization of both.

Knighton's impact, or lack thereof, doesn't really show up in the stat sheet. It's more of an eyeball test. So I guess his performance is in the eye of the evaluator, kind of like PFF or Cooley's film breakdown.

Knighton won't be back except on the cheap. Too fat, too out of shape, and largely ineffective with the occasional flash in the pan.

The best pass rushing D lineman was Big Swaggy Chris Baker, and it wasn't even close.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins]Washington Redskins 2015 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HatcJa20.htm]Jason Hatcher NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BakeCh99.htm]Chris Baker NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Losing Hatcher with his cap number and not resigning Knighton at 4m isn't going to hurt us.

I predict neither will be here next year.

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[quote=30gut;1139216]But what about their production?

How do you replace the holes created by letting your best run stopper and best pass rushing DL walk?

Seems like digging a hole, only to turn around and have to fill a hole.

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Probably need to get a little younger along the dline. I think we are going dline with the 1 or 2nd round. Count on paea, Ricky Jean and Baker back. That's really it. I gotta feeling hatcher is gonna retire or cut at his salary. What I read with keim, is that pot roast most likely will not be back. I'd like to see Trent Murphy transition to end. My gut feeling is we go dline first.

Right now with first round ranking:

1. Dline
2. ILB
3. CB

That's how Scott probably looking.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1139219]Respectfully disagree with the characterization of both.

Knighton's impact, or lack thereof, doesn't really show up in the stat sheet. It's more of an eyeball test. So I guess his performance is in the eye of the evaluator, kind of like PFF or Cooley's film breakdown.

Knighton won't be back except on the cheap. Too fat, too out of shape, and largely ineffective with the occasional flash in the pan.

The best pass rushing D lineman was Big Swaggy Chris Baker, and it wasn't even close.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins]Washington Redskins 2015 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HatcJa20.htm]Jason Hatcher NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BakeCh99.htm]Chris Baker NFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

Losing Hatcher with his cap number and not resigning Knighton at 4m isn't going to hurt us.

I predict neither will be here next year.[/quote]

Our dline was actually solid across the board...pot roast started slow and got much better after the bye. Hatcher was effing solid, he took on double teams and collapsed the inside constantly. What killed us was our inside linebacker play against the run...

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[quote=Chico23231;1139221]Our dline was actually solid across the board...pot roast started slow and got much better after the bye. Hatcher was effing solid, he took on double teams and collapsed the inside constantly. What killed us was our inside linebacker play against the run...[/quote]

Will either be back in 2016?

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[quote=Chico23231;1139220]Probably need to get a little younger along the dline. I think we are going dline with the 1 or 2nd round.[/quote]No doubt we need to get younger on the DL and this is a good draft for that....but I would hope we don't target a position over taking the BPA. From a distance it looks like DL could be the pick in the first round but at pick 21 another player/position could easily be the BPA.

[quote] Count on paea, Ricky Jean and Baker back. That's really it. I gotta feeling hatcher is gonna retire or cut at his salary. What I read with keim, is that pot roast most likely will not be back. I'd like to see Trent Murphy transition to end. My gut feeling is we go dline first.[/quote]I have no idea what they'll do, I know what I think they should do and for me I would hate to see Hatcher and Knighton go.

I have a hard time seeing Murphy as a DE in the base front....in a 4 man line?Maybe, but I can't see him bulking up enough to be a 34 base DE.


[quote]Right now with first round ranking:

1. Dline
2. ILB
3. CB

That's how Scott probably looking.[/quote]I don't think Scott looks at the draft based on positional need at all. That doesn't seem to be his MO at all. Scott has professed to be a Best Player Available advocate.

Now maybe [B][I]overall[/I][/B] he ranks positional needs but I don't think he uses positional need rankings to guide his drafting in the 1st round or any round really. I think he takes the BPA.

But on that note if I had grade the defensive units........

CB=D
S=D
ILB=D
DL=C+ (would be a B if they weren't so old)
OLB=B

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1139222]Will either be back in 2016?[/quote]

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/how-different-will-redskins-d-line-look-2016]How different will the Redskins' D-line look in 2016? | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

Good article here...look at the part about the winning streak and how the dline played down the stretch. Basically they were key.

To your question, my guess is if either is back it would be pot roast. Hatcher probably gonna retire.

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[quote=Chico23231;1139221]Our dline was actually solid across the board...pot roast started slow and got much better after the bye. Hatcher was effing solid, he took on double teams and collapsed the inside constantly. What killed us was our inside linebacker play against the run...[/quote]That's pretty much the way I see it. Hatcher had a bunch of hurries and QB hits, PFF rates him as a top 10 interior pass rusher and 5th best pass rush productivity for 34 DEs.

I think Knighton is getting a worse rap then his play warrants. His production at 4mil seems fair to me. Now if we could land Ian Willliams or Damon Harrison for the same money, I'm all for it.

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[quote=30gut;1139223]No doubt we need to get younger on the DL and this is a good draft for that....but I would hope we don't target a position over taking the BPA. From a distance it looks like DL could be the pick in the first round but at pick 21 another player/position could easily be the BPA.

I have no idea what they'll do, I know what I think they should do and for me I would hate to see Hatcher and Knighton go.

I have a hard time seeing Murphy as a DE in the base front....in a 4 man line?Maybe, but I can't see him bulking up enough to be a 34 base DE.


I don't think Scott looks at the draft based on positional need at all. That doesn't seem to be his MO at all. Scott has professed to be a Best Player Available advocate.

Now maybe [B][I]overall[/I][/B] he ranks positional needs but I don't think he uses positional need rankings to guide his drafting in the 1st round or any round really. I think he takes the BPA.

But on that note if I had grade the defensive units........

CB=D
S=D
ILB=D
DL=C+ (would be a B if they weren't so old)
OLB=B[/quote]

Agree. I might put the Foster Compton combo toward the end of the year a bit higher.

I understand you want them back; but do you think either will be here next year?

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I would be shopping Murphy[I] hard[/I] for a trade right now.
He just doesnt seem to fit anywhere on this team.

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Murphy is OK I wouldn't mind trading him but idk what we get in return

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Per nfltraderumors.com:

"Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk writes that the prospect looms of the Rams possibly signing QB Robert Griffin III once the Redskins cut him loose in the coming weeks."

Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth? The final indignity of that unfortunate trade.

"John Keim of ESPN writes that Redskins GM Scot McCloughan will remain consistent with his approach towards the team’s roster this offseason. According to Keim, the Redskins want to get younger on their defensive line and find another inside linebacker. Washington could use more depth at cornerback, safety, running back and tight end."

Finding D-Line help in this draft should be easy. This draft is as loaded as I can remember with good D-line prospects. I think we can get two good D-line prospects if we want two of them.

At ILB, one of Jaylon Smith, Reggie Ragland, Kentrell Brothers and Scooby Wright should be available to us.

I think we could probably find good players at CB, WR, RB, and TE in this draft, as well.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139236]Per nfltraderumors.com:

"Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk writes that the prospect looms of the Rams possibly signing QB Robert Griffin III once the Redskins cut him loose in the coming weeks."

Wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth? The final indignity of that unfortunate trade..[/quote]Well, we had 2012. The Rams haven't even sniffed success since the trade. Though I guess one could argue we would have been better off last year if we had not done the trade....

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I could really care less where RGIII ends up. Best of luck to him but it's over here.

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as far as rgiii, whatever. he's not helping us, so where he goes really doesn't matter.

i think our best DL next year may be the guy that's been sitting on IR all season. that's a valid hatcher replacement. knighton looked like just a guy to me. he wasn't terrible, but he didn't really prove he's worth big money either. we'll probably draft a guy and see who's available in FA (which might be knighton on another cheap contract if there's no real value elsewhere).

as for the draft, i'm not sure you can say that scot is 100% bpa. he seems to hit needs, but i guess when you're terrible everything is a need. he does seem to know what he's doing (mild understatement).

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[quote=That Guy;1139243]as far as rgiii, whatever. he's not helping us, so where he goes really doesn't matter.

i think our best DL next year may be the guy that's been sitting on IR all season. that's a valid hatcher replacement. knighton looked like just a guy to me. he wasn't terrible, but he didn't really prove he's worth big money either. we'll probably draft a guy and see who's available in FA (which might be knighton on another cheap contract if there's no real value elsewhere).

as for the draft, i'm not sure you can say that scot is 100% bpa. he seems to hit needs, but i guess when you're terrible everything is a need. he does seem to know what he's doing (mild understatement).[/quote]


There is talk of Trent Murphy moving to DE, which I would be fine with, also if Robert Kdemche (spelling that wrong) is available at 21, I would snatch him up

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1139249]There is talk of Trent Murphy moving to DE, which I would be fine with, also if Robert Kdemche (spelling that wrong) is available at 21, I would snatched him up[/quote]

Good eye on Robert! Reminds me of Justin Tuck.

Trent is country strong and he's a good tackler with some pass rush moves but I wonder if he can carry the weight he'd need to put on to play DE. If so, I think he could be part of a D-Line rotation.

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Per nfltraderumors.com:

"Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports reports that the Redskins and QB Kirk Cousins were 'nowhere near' an agreement on a long-term extension at the conclusion of the Senior Bowl a few weeks ago.

According to La Canfora, this could lead to the Redskins using their franchise tag on Cousins in the coming weeks, barring major progress towards an agreement.

Recent reports have said that Cousins will likely end up with a blockbuster contract when all is said and done.

However, it could require them to franchise Cousins at the cost of $19 million or so in order to buy some additional time to work out a long-term deal.

Bengals QB Andy Dalton‘s six-year, $96 million deal has come up as a potential starting point for the two sides in contract talks."

[I]No surprise here. Andy Dalton's contract is only the 18th largest QB contract in the league, as measured by $$ per year. Dalton's guaranteed money is quite low compared to his peers at 17% of the total contract amount (Aaron Rodgers is guaranteed 49% of his total contract amount).

I don't think the $19MM tag looms over the contract talks at all because nearly 20 NFL QB's are currently being paid an average amount of $17MM or more annually. Kirk is going to cost a whole lot of money but that is normal for someone like Kirk who I think is among the top two-thirds of NFL QB's in ability.

As we all know, the devil is in the details and that's going to take some time for the two parties to work out.[/I]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139252]Good eye on Robert! Reminds me of Justin Tuck.

Trent is country strong and he's a good tackler with some pass rush moves but I wonder if he can carry the weight he'd need to put on to play DE. If so, I think he could be part of a D-Line rotation.[/quote]

He's already 260-265, so I'd figure he'd have to gain about 15-25 lbs of good weight.

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[quote=That Guy;1139243]...i think our best DL next year may be the guy that's been sitting on IR all season. that's a valid hatcher replacement.[/quote]Galette is OLB edge rusher. Hatcher is DE interior rusher.


[quote]as for the draft, i'm not sure you can say that scot is 100% bpa.[/quote]I'm not saying it though, Scott has said it himself numerous times.

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[quote=MTK;1139241]I could really care less where RGIII ends up. Best of luck to him but it's over here.[/quote]

Seriously. You would think with the success we had last year (albeit small, but still above where everyone thought we would be) people would just forget about it. Who care where he goes, as long as he's not wasting a roster spot here? And of course as long as he doesn't go to a rival and somehow figure it out of course, as unlikely as that might be. But the Rams? Really who cares.

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[quote=mooby;1139259][B]Seriously. You would think with the success we had last year (albeit small, but still above where everyone thought we would be) people would just forget about it.[/B] Who care where he goes, as long as he's not wasting a roster spot here? And of course as long as he doesn't go to a rival and somehow figure it out of course, as unlikely as that might be. But the Rams? Really who cares.[/quote]

I'd be happy to forget about it as long as Dan Snyder would forget about making such a risky trade ever again. I would also appreciate it if Snyder would resist the urge to pay some fat, lazy, entitled, attitude case $100MM ever again.

I'm not too bitter. I'm just too old for this franchise to take another wrong turn.

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From randy getlin:

I'm told the NFL's salary cap is expected to jump to at least $155M this year. Nearly $12M more than last year's ($143.28M).

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[quote=kingj;1139265]From randy getlin:

I'm told the NFL's salary cap is expected to jump to at least $155M this year. Nearly $12M more than last year's ($143.28M).[/quote]

Is there a floor now?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139261]I'd be happy to forget about it as long as Dan Snyder would forget about making such a risky trade ever again. I would also appreciate it if Snyder would resist the urge to pay some fat, lazy, entitled, attitude case $100MM ever again.

I'm not too bitter. I'm just too old for this franchise to take another wrong turn.[/quote]

I appreciate the direness of your situation, however there's no way to be conclusive that Dan Snyder is who we think he is. At least we can take solace in the fact Kirk Cousins appears to be the opposite of fat, lazy, entitled, etc. so that money should be well spent.

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[quote=mooby;1139271]I appreciate the direness of your situation, however there's no way to be conclusive that Dan Snyder is who we think he is. At least we can take solace in the fact Kirk Cousins appears to be the opposite of fat, lazy, entitled, etc. so that money should be well spent.[/quote]

Pretty sure there was an article in the Washington Times a few years back about Haynesworth blocking his day off in 15 min increments.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1139236]...At ILB, one of Jaylon Smith, Reggie Ragland, Kentrell Brothers and Scooby Wright should be available to us.
[/quote]Scooby Wright is a stud and for some reason appears to only be considered mid-round prospect by the draft media. There are some mid round ILB that could help this defense.