Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1151651]OMG really? Being up by 40 points and throwing that pick is harmless,just because dude fumbled doesnt make it harmless.And the wind had nothing to do with it,it looked like he threw it into triple coverage.
The only reason his picks the past 2 games havent been backbreakers is pure frickin luck.
I cannot believe your reasoning,you cannot possibly be being objective about Kirk.If he was playing for another team I do not believe you guys would think Kirk was that great.
Going back to my comparison with Hoyer.Hoyer threw for 400 yards yesterday with 2 tds and no picks.Hoyer and Cousins career stats are very similar.Cousins has slightly higher td percentage but Hoyer has lower int percentage.Plus Hoyer played for freaking Cleveland.
Am I saying I would rather have Hoyer then Cousins,no I'm not but that's probably because I'm a skins fan,I'm a Cousins fan,and therefore I am not looking at it objectively.
Can you imagine Brian Hoyer making 17 million a yr and being considered a franchise qb? I can't either but yet we are thinking that about Kirk.
If that guy doesnt fumble the int do you still think we win that game?
Last week when Cleveland rb fumbled{and from what I read Cleveland actually recovered and it was a blown call,lucky again}do you think we win that game if we dont get that fumble? I dont think we would have won either game.
Just because we won both games does not give Kirk a free pass:rant:
But I can see from your post we are not going to agree on this subject,l just hope Kirk's luck will continue in the future when he throws more backbreaking ints:laughing-
HTTR[/quote]


He didn't throw into triple coverage though. He threw it to Reed because he read a cover 2 she'll and had Reed on a post which was the right read. Mosley made a great play and jumped a mile into the air to catch it.

He's completed that same ball on the same coverage 50x Atleast. He just missed that one.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1151659]Oh man. Hoyer has never sniffed a year like KC had in 2015. If you put Hoyer on this team he would still not.[/quote]

No he hasn't. And I think KC is the better QB, but they're in the same neighborhood. If you put Hoyer in this offense, with these skill players I think their numbers would be similar.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1151665]No he hasn't. And I think KC is the better QB, but they're in the same neighborhood. If you put Hoyer in this offense, with these skill players I think their numbers would be similar.[/QUOTE]



These skill players AND no run game AND no defense....

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Ruhskins;1151660[B]]I think a lot of us have developed certain expectations from Kirk given his performance and output during the second half of the season last year. Hence the reaction and criticism.
[/B]
That being said, I will admit that this goes beyond Kirk. The coaching staff needs to figure out how to deal with these 3rd and short situations.

Having the defense perform better, should take some of the pressure form Kirk and the passing game. Now we need to get the running game and these short-yardage situations handled.[/quote]

I think that's fair. But we still have a long way to go one the schedule. And I would also say that we've got a tougher schedule this year as well. He may be a better QB than last year but may not have better numbers.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=punch it in;1151666]These skill players AND no run game AND no defense....[/quote]

Well you can't just say no defense. They've been giving up yards and all but they have been taking the ball away and giving it back to the offense. And yesterday the defense was outstanding.

But again, I think KC is a better than Hoyer. No argument there. But I just don't think we're talking about a huge difference between the two.

I look at the Texans and they flipped out cause Hoyer shit the bed during that playoff loss. They panicked, completely overpaid for an unknown guy. Can you say that Brock is really that much better than Hoyer? I just don't see that much of a difference.

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1151669]Well you can't just say no defense. They've been giving up yards and all but they have been taking the ball away and giving it back to the offense. And yesterday the defense was outstanding.



But again, I think KC is a better than Hoyer. No argument there. But I just don't think we're talking about a huge difference between the two.



I look at the Texans and they flipped out cause Hoyer shit the bed during that playoff loss. They panicked, completely overpaid for an unknown guy. Can you say that Brock is really that much better than Hoyer? I just don't see that much of a difference.[/QUOTE]



I was referring to our defense since KC took over last season. Hardly a good defense...at all. Ill give the Ravens the same pass as the Skins. Their playcalling sucked. Bye Trestman. The weather was bad.

Edit: I would not trade Kirk for Brock or Hoyer. Not now anyway.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Bucket;1151663]He didn't throw into triple coverage though. He threw it to Reed because he read a cover 2 she'll and had Reed on a post which was the right read. Mosley made a great play and jumped a mile into the air to catch it.

He's completed that same ball on the same coverage 50x Atleast. He just missed that one.[/quote]

The receiver he was throwing to had 2 ravens all over him,counting the guy who intercepted it thats 3 but your right it wasn't triple coverage but it was a terrible decision and bad pass,mistakes that he should not still be making.
I would love to see another angle on replay to see if it was the right read because I would think someone else was open,but I don't know how many other receivers they had running routes on the play.So while it may have been the right read it wasn't the right decision

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

This pretty much sums up where I stand on Cousins at this particular point.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qFW6oDX.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1151651]OMG really? Being up by 40 points and throwing that pick is harmless,just because dude fumbled doesnt make it harmless.And the wind had nothing to do with it,it looked like he threw it into triple coverage.
The only reason his picks the past 2 games havent been backbreakers is pure frickin luck.
I cannot believe your reasoning,you cannot possibly be being objective about Kirk.If he was playing for another team I do not believe you guys would think Kirk was that great.
Going back to my comparison with Hoyer.Hoyer threw for 400 yards yesterday with 2 tds and no picks.Hoyer and Cousins career stats are very similar.Cousins has slightly higher td percentage but Hoyer has lower int percentage.Plus Hoyer played for freaking Cleveland.
Am I saying I would rather have Hoyer then Cousins,no I'm not but that's probably because I'm a skins fan,I'm a Cousins fan,and therefore I am not looking at it objectively.
Can you imagine Brian Hoyer making 17 million a yr and being considered a franchise qb? I can't either but yet we are thinking that about Kirk.
If that guy doesnt fumble the int do you still think we win that game?
Last week when Cleveland rb fumbled{and from what I read Cleveland actually recovered and it was a blown call,lucky again}do you think we win that game if we dont get that fumble? I dont think we would have won either game.
Just because we won both games does not give Kirk a free pass:rant:
But I can see from your post we are not going to agree on this subject,l just hope Kirk's luck will continue in the future when he throws more backbreaking ints:laughing-
HTTR[/quote]

Things that matter... no points came from the INT, and we won the game.

Everything else is just noise, including this odd hard-on you seem to have for Hoyer. Go root for Chicago or something. Who cares about Hoyer.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

I would stick with Cousins. The chances of finding an average quaterback in free agency or the draft is extremely low. We should know.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1151678]Things that matter... no points came from the INT, and we won the game.

Everything else is just noise, including this odd hard-on you seem to have for Hoyer. Go root for Chicago or something. Who cares about Hoyer.[/quote]

You are obviously oblivious to when a points been made,I have no hard on for Hoyer unlike your hard-on for Cousins.:pffff:

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1151682]You are obviously oblivious to when a points been made,I have no hard on for Hoyer unlike your hard-on for Cousins.:pffff:[/QUOTE]



Hoyer is not a Redskin...lol
Cousins is the best qb we have had in a looooong time, brad johnson had a great year. Rg-3 had a great year. However, all things considered- age, scheme fit, etc - Cousins is our best qb in years.
I am not sure how the hell Brian Hoyer has anything to do with anything ? Check out their numbers from just last year......Cousins is top ten but just scroll way down for Hoyers numbers.....

[url]http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2015&week=100&category=PASSING[/url]

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=htownskinfan;1151682]You are obviously oblivious to when a points been made,I have no hard on for Hoyer unlike your hard-on for Cousins.:pffff:[/QUOTE]


Did they score off the INT? Did we win the game? Have we won 3 in a row with 2 on the road? What are we even talking about here??

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

HAHAHAHAHAHA -- Brian Hoyer. HAHAHAHAHAHA. Pretty funny.

Any comparison is insane. Cousins just completed a season breaking all team records for pretty much everything. What ARE we even talking about here?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1151675]This pretty much sums up where I stand on Cousins at this particular point.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qFW6oDX.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

This this and this,that's all I'm saying.No hard on for Hoyer,no dislike for Cousins.If his inconsistent play continues he does not deserve and should not get the big extension.Thank you skinsfan69 for seeing my point.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1151623]"He can't beat a winning team" remember matt? So now it's the "he is lucky to win those games " at the end of the season he'll have 4500 yards 28 tds or so and 12 ints.. 65% percentage. He's going to be fine.[/quote]

I agree. I said that this would be the first "real" winning team, and barring the wind, he played a solid game and we won. That argument is now gone. Thank goodness.

As for the end of the year stats, I would take those numbers in a heartbeat.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1151689]This this and this,that's all I'm saying.No hard on for Hoyer,no dislike for Cousins.If his inconsistent play continues he does not deserve and should not get the big extension.Thank you skinsfan69 for seeing my point.[/quote]

Cousins can only improve, but i do believe we 100% know what we have with him on a "typical day" - that is at least one interception a game, and at his worst moments, 2 or 3 INTS in a game. But he also throws a lot of touchdowns too. Maybe a poor man's Brett Favre?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1151697]Cousins can only improve, but i do believe we 100% know what we have with him on a "typical day" - that is at least one interception a game, and at his worst moments, 2 or 3 INTS in a game. But he also throws a lot of touchdowns too. Maybe a poor man's Brett Favre?[/QUOTE]
I feel Like more of a poor mans brees

Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Kirk has one multiple INT game this year. One. Last year he didn't have one single game with more than 2. It's time to move on from this thought that he's an INT machine. Plenty of the top guys around the league will throw 1 or 2 here and there.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Meh, he isnt a finished product yet. Give him the rest of the season. I think you need to figure out what the other options are. I agree that 20 million of your roster to 1 guy is a big mistake, if he isn't damn good. Joe Flacco, drops mic.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=MTK;1151699]Kirk has one multiple INT game this year. One. Last year he didn't have one single game with more than 2. It's time to move on from this thought that he's an INT machine. Plenty of the top guys around the league will throw 1 or 2 here and there.[/quote]

Rodgers threw 2 last night in his win over the Giants.

Definite turnover machine. Packers should move on already.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

This thread needs to chill the fuck out. I'm more worried about our running game...Matt jones had a horrible effing day

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

If Cousins keeps playing like this, maybe we can bring back RG3 for cheap. He is already familiar with the team and the scheme. Cousins hasn't done Much better then him 🐂💩

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1151703]This thread needs to chill the fuck out. I'm more worried about our running game...Matt jones had a horrible effing day[/QUOTE]
Well Said! [emoji106]

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1151675]This pretty much sums up where I stand on Cousins at this particular point.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qFW6oDX.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Are you guys seriously asking for a low rent qb?
17 QBs are scheduled to make more than $17mil next year.
KC isn't an elite QB but he isn't middle of the pack either.
he will get around $20mil next year.

IMO KC is the best redskins QB since Brad Johnson.
Becareful of what you wish for; We might be able to get Jeff George v2.0(Cutler) on the cheap next year.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

The first two losses people were booing Kirk. Now they are applaud him in the three wins. Just a slow start that's all.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=htownskinfan;1151673]The receiver he was throwing to had 2 ravens all over him,counting the guy who intercepted it thats 3 but your right it wasn't triple coverage but it was a terrible decision and bad pass,mistakes that he should not still be making.
I would love to see another angle on replay to see if it was the right read because I would think someone else was open,but I don't know how many other receivers they had running routes on the play.So while it may have been the right read it wasn't the right decision[/quote]

It wasn't triple coverage. the NFL will always be tight throws between the hash marks. It was a cover 2 shell. Watch the play again, look up cover 2 shell, and look up how to exploit it. Shit, you can even see it in the highlights because it's so obvious. The deep safety was Atleast 6 yards from Reed. The LB watched Kirks eyes and made a good play. Kirk could of put a little more air on it for a completion or hit the shallow cross coming across the field.

You really need to research before you start saying shit like triple coverage. It's embarrassing for me to even have to explain this. So I won't try to explain it again to you.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1151675]This pretty much sums up where I stand on Cousins at this particular point.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qFW6oDX.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Biggest issue with this philosophy is assuming Scot is going to spend 18 million on free agency for defense. He's been very adamant about building in the draft. You won't be spending 19 million on a few draft picks.

Kirk fits the offense, runs it efficiently to win. You are not going to have a rookie or Colt McCoy run your offense while you try to build the defense. Especially when you have a guy who is winning games now while the defense is poor at best.

You try to win games now in the NFL. There is no "rebuilding" anymore.

Also, I woukd like to add. Please stop referencing it as 19 million dollar contract. The contract doesn't matter. The only thing that does matter is how much cap percentage is used on the QB position on the Redskins roster. Scot most likely won't spend more then 12% of our cap on the QB, since that is the league avg.

Biggest issue with the defense is we have only spent a third of our cap on it. A third of that is on the Dline.

Scot will build through the draft. It's not coincidence they are not signing Phil Taylor or Pot Roast after workout today's and giving Loannidis 65% of the snaps against the Ravens. They want to see what they got.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Bucket;1151712]It wasn't triple coverage. the NFL will always be tight throws between the hash marks. It was a cover 2 shell. Watch the play again, look up cover 2 shell, and look up how to exploit it. Shit, you can even see it in the highlights because it's so obvious. The deep safety was Atleast 6 yards from Reed. The LB watched Kirks eyes and made a good play. Kirk could of put a little more air on it for a completion or hit the shallow cross coming across the field.

You really need to research before you start saying shit like triple coverage. It's embarrassing for me to even have to explain this. So I won't try to explain it again to you.[/quote]

I agreed with you, You we're right,it wasnt triple coverage,what more do you want?
And after going back and watching the play several times the 2 Ravens were not as close to him as I first thought,the trailing defender was about 6 yards away but the defender in front of Reed I thought would have been there to either int or knock it away if the pass would have made it past the lb.
I'm sorry you we're embarrassed

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;1151703]This thread needs to chill the fuck out. I'm more worried about our running game...Matt jones had a horrible effing day[/quote]

They need to give Kelley more touches, mix it up. On Joneses defense, I believe the ravens were ranked number 1 against the run.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

A lot of assuming going on here.. How about Letting Cousins play out the year that will determine his value. If he wants to much we move on. if he plays average then give him average pay if he won't sign let somebody else overpay for him. question for all the great football minds out there..would anybody have traded cousins for bradford before season???

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1151675]This pretty much sums up where I stand on Cousins at this particular point.


[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/qFW6oDX.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


How about leadership, intangibles, durability, experience and growth within the offense. Is all that available in the free agent market?? I don't think so.

If Colt was our QB Sunday we don't win that game. He could not have thrown the ball 5 yards past the line in that wind.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Bucket;1151714]Biggest issue with this philosophy is assuming Scot is going to spend 18 million on free agency for defense.[B] He's been very adamant about building in the draft. You won't be spending 19 million on a few draft picks.
[/B]
Kirk fits the offense, runs it efficiently to win. You are not going to have a rookie or Colt McCoy run your offense while you try to build the defense. Especially when you have a guy who is winning games now while the defense is poor at best.

You try to win games now in the NFL. There is no "rebuilding" anymore.

Also, I woukd like to add. Please stop referencing it as 19 million dollar contract. The contract doesn't matter. The only thing that does matter is how much cap percentage is used on the QB position on the Redskins roster. Scot most likely won't spend more then 12% of our cap on the QB, since that is the league avg.

Biggest issue with the defense is we have only spent a third of our cap on it. A third of that is on the Dline.

Scot will build through the draft. It's not coincidence they are not signing Phil Taylor or Pot Roast after workout today's and giving Loannidis 65% of the snaps against the Ravens. They want to see what they got.[/quote]

This post is spot on. Some fans think that the money that we would save by dumping KC could be spent on defense. Well here's my question. How's that working for the Giants? How's that working for Jacksonville? How's that working for Miami? For the most part, free agency brings in individuals, it doesn't bring you a team.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

The big flaw in thinking free agency can help you, is people assume good players make it to free agency. Every now and then they do, due to various strange circumstances. Norman and DeSean Jackson were both examples.

But that's not common. Olivier Vernon was the best DE to make it to free agency this year. He had 7.5 sacks last year. That's not a good player.

Free agency should never be viewed as part of the plan. Your plan has to be building through the draft. And if you get lucky in free agency and a player comes available, then keep your cap in a good place so that you can pounce on the opportunity.

You use it as a way to be opportunistic and build out depth, you can't use it to build a foundation.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Anyone have access to PFF's breakdown of Ionnidis?

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Cousins isn't playing really bad right now but hes not playing lights out either.
And we do have a wining record.
A question some of you should ask yourself is do I want to spend next years #1 pick on a new QB or on that big defensive lineman that we need?
I have concerns about Cousins but I'll take that run stuffer in the first round.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;1151729]Cousins isn't playing really bad right now but hes not playing lights out either.
And we do have a wining record.
A question some of you should ask yourself is do I want to spend next years #1 pick on a new QB or on that big defensive lineman that we need?
I have concerns about Cousins but I'll take that run stuffer in the first round.[/quote]

You are right..All it takes to win Super Bowl is slightly above average QB(last year Peyton manning was not great) HOWEVER there D was lights out! At this point I would rather have a stout D and above average QB ..maybe a solid Run game. We have very good wr's,good O line,great TE,good special teams..what we need is up front Dline help and chasing another QB is not gonna get us that.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

Here's a question, do you think kirk is going to improve as the season progresses like last year?

Im sceptical, I hope he is as I get my one and only chance to cheer the guys at Wembley and I'm praying we bring our A game against Dalton and AJ etc.

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1151726]Anyone have access to PFF's breakdown of Ionnidis?[/quote]

36 snaps total...not enough data to give a consistent picture, but he wasn't great

Re: Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread
 

[quote=Glasgow Celtic;1151739]Here's a question, do you think kirk is going to improve as the season progresses like last year?

Im sceptical, I hope he is as I get my one and only chance to cheer the guys at Wembley and I'm praying we bring our A game against Dalton and AJ etc.[/quote]

Yes - I think he will improve as the season goes on.

Great QB's struggle against the number one defense in the league.

We are 3 - 2 with the worst defense in the league. We are still on pace for 9 - 7 or 10 - 6.