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[QUOTE=dej733;1166905]This is crazy. Allen has to go.

"Allen also disapproved of McCloughan’s hands-on approach with players. At one point late in the year, a frustrated defensive back left practice with the session in progress and retreated to the locker room. McCloughan went to retrieve him, telling the player to come to his office so they could talk. Allen, according to two people, later reprimanded McClouhghan, cursing at him and telling him never to go in the locker room again."

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/08/redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-has-no-role-in-current-free-agency-decision-making/?utm_term=.7baf253ec870[/url][/QUOTE]
Maybe I'm playing devil's advocate here a bit, but isn't locker room stuff the coach's domain and not the GM?

And wouldn't this be more on par with an earlier discussion in regards to there being somewhat of a power struggle between Jay and Scot?

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Oh my God!!!!!!!!!!!! Let the chips fall where they may!!!!!!!! IF Scot gets canned, he gets canned. It is out of your hands and not our call. If he gets the axe you will still wake up tomorrow and go about your day, just like when the Skins blew their last game and missed the playoffs. My thing is this $#%@ is getting very, very, old, and like watching the same movie repackaged time after time after time. The NFL product isn't what it used to be, and isn't all that anymore. The quality of the football being played is terrible(not just Skins). IN short, it is downright boring and predictable, and really not entertaining at all anymore, which is what sports is anymore(entertainment). I am not looking forward to the 2017 season already and we still haven't hit the draft yet. Snyder needs to start understanding people are at a saturation point with the drama that is Redskins Park and quite frankly are ready to go elsewhere. One thing though, if Kirk is traded, the legacy of RG III will be finally past us and maybe we can truly start over again!!!!!! Oops wait this would be the same vicious cycle we have been witnessing the past 17 years!!!!!! Nothing changes does it!!!!

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Skins fans really need to follow Detroit's example and make damn sure there are a ton of empty seats at FEDEX all season long and for the foreseeable future if things turn out to be a total cluster$%#& in 2017. The Ford's were shamed into doing something to get a winner, not too mention get the butts back in the seats, maybe Snyder will get a brain.

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Been a fan close to 35 years. Stuck with the team through all the ups and downs. Not sure how much more of this I can take.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1166858]Well technically under his watch, the team has been to the playoffs twice, and they just finish back-to-back winning seasons. I know the success has not been all because of him, but he is the president and over the past two years has had both the GM and coach have reported to him.

I don't get where the confusion comes from in your statement. Would you rather to have Snyder make all the calls?[/quote]

I would rather someone with a proven track record of drafting and developing make the calls.

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[url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comments/5ycp1c/a_call_to_action_scot_has_not_been_fired_yet_we/[/url]


A call to action. Share this with everyone you know and encourage them to do the same.

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There is one thing we know for sure, Bruce Allen is a liar. This NFL has so many owner/management disasters right now. Probably another reason the Patriots do so well.

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Based on that article, clearly Bruce should be fired. I really wish Danny Snyder would jump off a cliff too.

Also, Chris Cooley is the biggest piece of shit of all time. To purposely smear someone like he did is beyond words and the fact he was an employee of the organize is mind numbing.

Folks, the rumor of drinking was a lie put out by the Org because when you didn't make a statement of support to McC you perpetuated it. Silence is consent folks. FACT

I fucking hate Bruce Allen. He lied to Scott when he was hired...he told the McC he had all the power in making personnel decisions. HE LIED.


Ok so the Cousins situation....Michael Robinson was told last year by Scott McC that Scott had a plan last year to sign Cousins long term. He wanted a deal last year but was over ruled by Bruce and the Org. FACT

So we will lose Cousins and McC...we are all ok with this?

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[quote=drew54;1166951][url]https://www.reddit.com/r/Redskins/comments/5ycp1c/a_call_to_action_scot_has_not_been_fired_yet_we/[/url]


A call to action. Share this with everyone you know and encourage them to do the same.[/quote]

So with out knowing the whole story....we are supposed to "Save Ferris".

McC really has not made any great waves since he was brought here. Honestly I be happy with BA and just be done with McC.

Everyone needs to remember McC was marketed to us as the savior indirectly by DS; you are still drinking DS's kool aid about McC if you are backing McC. Christ DS even poured out the pitcher of kool aid and some of you are lapping it of the floor.

McC has had history of not being wanted even when he has been super efficient at as his job. History repeats itself and zebra's don't change their stripes. McC is so much of a cancer that it overshadows his great abilities.

Good bye McC and thanks for wasting our #1 pic last year; FAWKER.

Good article on the whole disaster:

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/08/redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-has-no-role-in-current-free-agency-decision-making/?utm_term=.8a00db09706c[/url]

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Our handling of McC will hurt this franchise across the league because Scott is tight with a lot of players. He is certainly a "Players" type FO football person. Bruce handling of Scott has once again damaged our reputation.

We will have to pay more to attract players and will lose a lot of contracts of folks deciding between places.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166976]Our handling of McC will hurt this franchise across the league because Scott is tight with a lot of players. He is certainly a "Players" type FO football person. Bruce handling of Scott has once again damaged our reputation.

We will have to pay more to attract players and will lose a lot of contracts of folks deciding between places.[/quote]

Are you joking? McC has been fired now from 3 high level jobs in the NFL and not from a lack of performance; its personal issues. If there is anyone or anything with less of a reputation then the Redskins its McC.

CLE, WAS, etc...they are the NFL's Last Chance Saloons. I would be shocked if someone went and got McC after his firing; if they do it will be as a scout or head of scouts role, he won't be a GM again.

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[quote=mredskins;1166979]Are you joking? McC has been fired now from 3 high level jobs in the NFL and not from a lack of performance; its personal issues. If there is anyone or anything with less of a reputation then the Redskins its McC.

CLE, WAS, etc...they are the NFL's Last Chance Saloons. I would be shocked if someone went and got McC after his firing; if they do it will be as a scout or head of scouts role, he won't be a GM again.[/quote]

He's fucking delivered every where. Turned shit franchises in SB contenders.

You fucking let him work and you honor the promises you made to him when you hired him.

psssshhhh....gtfo this franchise has a clear track record under fucking snyder

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[quote=Chico23231;1166980][B]He's fucking delivered every where.[/B] Turned shit franchises in SB contenders.

You fucking let him work and you honor the promises you made to him when you hired him.

psssshhhh....gtfo this franchise has a clear track record under fucking snyder[/quote]

And been fired everywhere.

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His drinking lead to his firings before...this time it was absolutely not the reason. BUT as an organization they put someone on the radio to speculate it was.

Your right, we don't need him. We are better off...

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[quote=mredskins;1166969]So with out knowing the whole story....we are supposed to "Save Ferris".

McC really has not made any great waves since he was brought here. Honestly I be happy with BA and just be done with McC.

Everyone needs to remember McC was marketed to us as the savior indirectly by DS; you are still drinking DS's kool aid about McC if you are backing McC. Christ DS even poured out the pitcher of kool aid and some of you are lapping it of the floor.

McC has had history of not being wanted even when he has been super efficient at as his job. History repeats itself and zebra's don't change their stripes. McC is so much of a cancer that it overshadows his great abilities.

Good bye McC and thanks for wasting our #1 pic last year; FAWKER.

Good article on the whole disaster:

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2017/03/08/redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan-has-no-role-in-current-free-agency-decision-making/?utm_term=.8a00db09706c[/url][/quote]

And what are you going to say if Doc has 80 catches for 1,100 yards and 9 td's in what would really be his rookie year? Would you still feel like it would be a wasted pick? Obviously the coaches are real high on him because they kept his roster spot deep into the season last year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1166987]And what are you going to say if Doc has 80 catches for 1,100 yards and 9 td's in what would really be his rookie year? Would you still feel like it would be a wasted pick? Obviously the coaches are real high on him because they kept his roster spot deep into the season last year.[/quote]

If Doctson was a big reach id understand the criticism. But killing a rookie because of unforeseen injury makes zero fucking sense.

Most folks had Doctson as the top WR in the draft and with Desean and Garcon old and in the last year of their deal....it was 110% a solid pick period.

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Guys, this is coming from a person who like to read instead of posting and frankly I'm getting tired of all negative assumptions. As much as I am nervous about this whole situation (Cousins, Scot, and our FA players) - I know we have to stop making any kind of assumptions based on rumors. In fact, most of information regarding Cousins & 49ers trade are purely speculation; the reporter who first reported the story admitted that it was his own idea and he had a [B]belief[/B] that it would happen. As we have seen from recent presidential election, a rumor has knack of rapidly becoming a fact-like; we need to distinguish rumors from facts..

Only "dysfunctional" areas Redskins are experiencing in this offseason is Cousins and Scot - we messed up big time with Cousins, however it looks that way only because we do not have full information. Redskins front office might have known they will encounter this issue, and they are expecting to sign Cousins to multi-years contract but they simply want to wait it out and see which side will break first, after all we cannot forget that the deadline to sign Cousins to a contract is in July, which is few months away. There are few factors that we do not know nor understand. As for our other FA players, Gruden announced they already have plans if we couldn't resign one of our WRs - this shows the front office and coaches are expecting this kind of loss and have a plan to remedy the loss (of course, the question is will the plan work?).

As for Scot part, I think this is only area where we messed up big time based on the article by Washington Post. I really hope we will find a way to keep Scot only because of his scouting talents.

That said, we need to take a step back and relax, wait for full information to come out and see what happens. By beginning of season this fall - if we lose Scot, Cousins and we did not find any decent players to replace the players we lost then that is when we all can take out our pitchforks and go to Redskins park.

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I think you guys are looking at it wrong.

Bruce hired McC because he knew he didn't have the chops when it came to player evaluation.

But notice Doug Williams and Jay Gruden sat in all of the interviews at the combine.

I feel like some folks are getting it twisted and assuming that Bruce will run the draft board and the draft room. I don't, I think it will be Gruden. Now, nobody has said that yet. But that's how I read it.

So either you don't buy that and you hate Bruce, or you don't have faith in Jay?

I don't want Bruce running the draft board, but I don't think he will be. I'm good with Jay doing it. This isn't a calamity.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1166987]And what are you going to say if Doc has 80 catches for 1,100 yards and 9 td's in what would really be his rookie year? Would you still feel like it would be a wasted pick? Obviously the coaches are real high on him because they kept his roster spot deep into the season last year.[/quote]

I won't but lets see it happen.

I am still confused what McC has done here to date that is so great...he has hit on some draft picks, missed on some draft pics as well, completely bombed in FA's(outside of Norman which was a gift), and caused drama in the front office.

I was excited about his POTENTIAL as much as the other guy but I never really saw it blossom. IMO he did an ok job but some of you act like he was building Seattle II here or something.

Honestly either one could leave; BA or him, I don't care which one it will at the very least relive the tension in upper management. Its apparent the two of them can't co-exist.

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lets see what bruce does ,my feeling is he,ll screww it up ,just like he did before get ready for a freaking train wreck again

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Making it work here was SM's best shot at re-establishing himself. From all appearances that didn't happen. I would prefer he had gotten another 2 years, but let's be honest, his strength was supposed to be defensive magic, and he didn't work it here.

As to the FO set up it sounds to me, that minus the spin, the personnel selection system was a 3 person system, coach-gm-cap/president. It also sounds like Allen's vote counted more on contract issues. I don't think that's a bad system.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166988]If Doctson was a big reach id understand the criticism. But killing a rookie because of unforeseen injury makes zero fucking sense.

Most folks had Doctson as the top WR in the draft and with Desean and Garcon old and in the last year of their deal....it was 110% a solid pick period.[/quote]

plus we got a 4th round pick this year, just for moving down one.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166988]If Doctson was a big reach id understand the criticism. But killing a rookie because of unforeseen injury makes zero fucking sense.

Most folks had Doctson as the top WR in the draft and with Desean and Garcon old and in the last year of their deal....it was 110% a solid pick period.[/quote]

Yet our defense had zero help given to them. Yeah it was a great pic.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166986]His drinking lead to his firings before..[B].this time it was absolutely not the reason[/B]. BUT as an organization they put someone on the radio to speculate it was.

Your right, we don't need him. We are better off...[/quote]

How do you know he is not drinking? Honestly how would you know that?

The Redskins can't say he has a drinking problem publicly their are HIPPA rules against that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1166993]Making it work here was SM's best shot at re-establishing himself. From all appearances that didn't happen. I would prefer he had gotten another 2 years, but let's be honest, his strength was supposed to be defensive magic, and he didn't work it here.

As to the FO set up it sounds to me, that minus the spin, the personnel selection system was a 3 person system, coach-gm-cap/president. It also sounds like Allen's vote counted more on contract issues. I don't think that's a bad system.[/quote]

McC was just given 2 years that was clearly not enough time. AND we ALL agreed here this was a long term process.


My biggest problem with Bruce: 1. McNabb trade and then dumb contract 2. RG3 trade 3. Over ruling McC last year giving Cousins the extension.

these are pivotal management mistakes. I mean, set a franchise BACK mistakes. We all do understand this right?

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We are going to have non-football guys picking players again. Who picked KC, who hates Shanahan. It's just about ego, and not being wrong. I didn't like Shanahan, he was right about Cousins(I was wrong about Cousins). Grow the eff up.

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[quote=mredskins;1166995]Yet our defense had zero help given to them. Yeah it was a great pic.[/quote]

Honestly, I think somebody - I don't know who - put way too much faith in Junior Gallette. Remember both years he looked to be an integral part of our line around draft time, only to crash and burn before training camp. Our defense both years would have been far different if he played and played at his expected level.

That reliance on him, by whoever called it, was a large part of our DLine woes.

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[quote=mredskins;1166996]How do you know he is not drinking? Honestly how would you know that?

The Redskins can't say he has a drinking problem publicly their are HIPPA rules against that.[/quote]

WP article by a guy who is completely in the know with the Redskins Org and cross referenced with Michael Robinson this morning with the NFL network.

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[quote=Schneed10;1166990]I think you guys are looking at it wrong.

Bruce hired McC because he knew he didn't have the chops when it came to player evaluation.

But notice Doug Williams and Jay Gruden sat in all of the interviews at the combine.

I feel like some folks are getting it twisted and assuming that Bruce will run the draft board and the draft room. I don't, I think it will be Gruden. Now, nobody has said that yet. But that's how I read it.

So either you don't buy that and you hate Bruce, or you don't have faith in Jay?

I don't want Bruce running the draft board, but I don't think he will be. I'm good with Jay doing it. This isn't a calamity.[/quote]

The more I look at it, the more that I see that this is becoming Jay's team. It sounds like moving forward he will have more of a saying in player acquisition. BA will continue to have a say in terms of money and cap, which is fine with me.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1167000]WP article by a guy who is completely in the know with the Redskins Org and cross referenced with Michael Robinson this morning with the NFL network.[/QUOTE]



They said he never stopped drinking, but it wasn't a problem. That could be debatable based on who's being asked.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1166998]We are going to have non-football guys picking players again. Who picked KC, who hates Shanahan. It's just about ego, and not being wrong. I didn't like Shanahan, he was right about Cousins(I was wrong about Cousins). Grow the eff up.[/quote]

So Jay Gruden is a non-football guy? Doug Williams is a non-football guy too?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167004]So Jay Gruden is a non-football guy? Doug Williams is a non-football guy too?[/quote]

Williams was a coach, Gruden is a Coach. They aren't decision makers on who gets what contract. Which is why are in this mess with Cousins.

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[quote=MTK;1167002]They said he never stopped drinking, but it wasn't a problem. That could be debatable based on who's being asked.[/quote]

So the same when they hired him? This wasn't, "oh Scotts drinking again".


This to me is like "Desean Jackson is in a street gang or has street gang ties" leaked by the Philly Org as an excuse to dump him.

You can rationalize it anyway you want.

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[quote=Chico23231;1166997]McC was just given 2 years that was clearly not enough time. AND we ALL agreed here this was a long term process.


My biggest problem with Bruce: 1. McNabb trade and then dumb contract 2. RG3 trade 3. Over ruling McC last year giving Cousins the extension.

these are pivotal management mistakes. I mean, set a franchise BACK mistakes. We all do understand this right?[/quote]

I agree on #1, disagree on #2 except when looking in hindsight, and disagree wholly with #3. Having KC playout the year on a prove it deal was a bit of a risk, but honestly looking at how this year's negotiation has gone, and KC's apparent intransigence at being paid as an elite qb when he isn't, I don't know that a deal would have been reached last year, at least not one that was good for the team and good for KC.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1167004]So Jay Gruden is a non-football guy? Doug Williams is a non-football guy too?[/quote]

unproven record with personnel decisions.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167000]WP article by a guy who is completely in the know with the Redskins Org and cross referenced with Michael Robinson this morning with the NFL network.[/quote]

I could drink 10 beers tonight in my basement; how the F would anyone know?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1167006]So the same when they hired him? This wasn't, "oh Scotts drinking again".





This to me is like "Desean Jackson is in a street gang or has street gang ties" leaked by the Philly Org as an excuse to dump him.



You can rationalize it anyway you want.[/QUOTE]


The truth in all this probably lies in the middle. It's a fact he has a problem with drinking. Why would it be a surprise if it's again a factor?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1167007]I agree on #1, disagree on #2 except when looking in hindsight, and disagree wholly with #3. Having KC playout the year on a prove it deal was a bit of a risk, but honestly looking at how this year's negotiation has gone, and KC's apparent intransigence at being paid as an elite qb when he isn't, I don't know that a deal would have been reached last year, at least not one that was good for the team and good for KC.[/quote]

That's the great thing about history CRed,...Bruce's decision making at the QB position is GARBAGE.

These have proven to be major mistakes...which could have been adverted if we deferred it. 1 & 2 to the Shannies and 3 to McC.

clearly these have cost the Org

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[quote=MTK;1167010]The truth in all this probably lies in the middle. It's a fact he has a problem with drinking. Why would it be a surprise if it's again a factor?[/quote]

[B]But I think the both sources would have said this. The story would be McC is in a bad spot and needs help[/B].

But that's not the case. CLEARLY it was a power struggle which was allowed again by Snyder and his Organization.

its pride and ego of Bruce/Snyder....the track record is there folks.