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My bet is that Cousins does not have a good year and his value will suffer. If he struggles who would pay him 25 million a year? IF the Skins FO really believed he was the End all of QB's he would already be signed..His feelings are hurt because they still have reservations about making him one of the highest paid players in the League..When he threw that int in the giants game I said this is who he is..a heartbreaker type player..the jury is STILL out.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171211]By the way, and I'm not saying anything we don't already know, but Dianna is nice to look at. I've definitely got a thing. She needs some attention in boob thread.[/quote]

Yeah just ask McC's wife....LOL!

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I think this little diddy hear sums up the melancholy of this whole mess.

[url]https://youtu.be/8kfDCiHq4fU[/url]

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I think this nails it.

[url=http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/240228260/kirk-cousins-contract-talk-washington-redskins]Common sense will prevail in Kirk Cousins negotiations. | Sports on Earth[/url]

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[quote=Schneed10;1171286]I think this nails it.

[url=http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/240228260/kirk-cousins-contract-talk-washington-redskins]Common sense will prevail in Kirk Cousins negotiations. | Sports on Earth[/url][/quote]

I think it will happen, but stating the reason as the Redskins will use common sense, ascribes an ability to understand common sense that the Redskins have routinely showed a lack of.

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lets hope this gets done

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1171286]I think this nails it.

[url=http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/240228260/kirk-cousins-contract-talk-washington-redskins]Common sense will prevail in Kirk Cousins negotiations. | Sports on Earth[/url][/QUOTE]
I've felt that way all along.

All the talk and speculations (tag and trade, KC not wanting to be here etc...) are just medias trying to have something to say when they don't have much, and building drama.



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[I]The following is an article written by NFL player agent Joel Corry for cbssports.com concerning QB salaries. I took the liberty of deleting parts of this article to more closely apply it to the situation with Kirk Cousins. I also underlined some parts that I found to be very interesting in regard to the Cousins situation. There is a lot of interesting information here. Enjoy![/I]


[B]Agent’s Take: Why quarterback salaries aren't as high as they should be QBs are often the highest paid players in the NFL, but they still might not be getting their fair share.[/B]

by Joel Corry

Quarterback is the most important position on a football field, possibly in any team sport, because of the increasing emphasis on the passing game in today's NFL. Sustained success is almost impossible without good quarterback play, although there are exceptions. The Broncos won Super Bowl 50 with a shaky Peyton Manning because of their dominating defense.

There are more NFL teams than there are quality quarterbacks. Even rarer are passers who can consistently win games with their arms. This scarcity puts QBs in an extremely advantageous position when negotiating contracts.

[U]Despite favorable circumstances, the top of the market has remained fairly stagnant since Aaron Rodgers became the NFL's highest paid player in April 2013 with a five year, $110 million extension.[/U] It took nearly three years for Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco to surpass Rodgers as the highest paid player by less than one percent in average yearly salary at $22,133,333 per year. In less than half this time, Derek Carr has become the NFL's first $25 million per year player with his five-year, $125.025 million contract extension from the Raiders. Overall, the top of the quarterback market has gone up 13.6 percent from when Rodgers signed four years ago.

[U]However, high end quarterback contracts have failed to keep up with the growth in the salary cap and franchise tags.[/U] The salary cap was $123 million at Rodgers' signing. It has grown to $167 million this year, a 35.77 percent increase. The franchise tag, which is an accepted measure for high-end salaries at the respective positions, has increased even more. The quarterback non-exclusive franchise tag was $14.896 million in 2013. The current $21.268 million non-exclusive number is almost 43 percent greater. [U]Adjusting Rodgers' existing contract into the current salary cap environment and to reflect franchise tag growth puts him at approximately $29.85 million and almost $31.5 million per year respectively.[/U]

[B]Unwillingness to fully exploit contract leverage[/B]

Other quarterbacks besides Brady haven't taken advantage of leverage. It just isn't to the same degree as Brady.

[U]Carr acknowledged in the press conference after his extension that he left some money on the table so it would be easier for the Raiders to retain other key players[/U], such as offensive guard Gabe Jackson and reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year Khalil Mack. He only minimally raised the bar with a 1.77 percent increase in average yearly salary over the five-year, $122.97 million extension averaging $24.594 million per year Andrew Luck signed with the Colts last June.

Carr fell short of Luck in a couple of key contract metrics. Although Carr's $70.2 million of guarantees is the second most in an NFL contract, they are almost 25 percent less than Luck's $87 million. It's only $200,000 more than Broncos outside linebacker Von Miller received last July in becoming the highest paid non-quarterback. [U]Carr's $40 million fully guaranteed at signing doesn't even put him in the NFL's top five among quarterbacks in this metric.[/U]

The Broncos got Peyton Manning at a discounted rate because of how he handled negotiations after the Colts released him in 2012. A dozen teams reportedly inquired about Manning once he became available. He narrowed his choices down to four and picked his destination before negotiating a contract instead of letting Tom Condon, his agent, leverage the considerable interest, which reportedly included a $25 million per year offer from the Titans, into a blockbuster deal. Instead, he still briefly set the salary bar with his five-year, $96 million deal.

A more conventional approach to free agency by Manning would have helped Drew Brees, another Condon client, even if he didn't reach the $25 million per year mark. Presumably, Manning eclipses the $20 million per year Brees got from the Saints as a franchise player a few months after he joined the Broncos. Manning's enhanced deal likely would have become the salary floor for Brees' contract.

[B]The power of the franchise tag[/B]

[U]The franchise tag is a powerful management tool that prevents players from receiving fair market value and generally depresses salaries. [/U]It is essentially a high-salaried, one-year "prove it" deal where players incur the risk of serious injury and poor performance again after already playing out their contracts when an agreement on a long-term deal can't be reached. High-quality quarterbacks rarely receive franchise tags.

[B]The litmus test for quarterback salaries[/B]

Quality quarterbacks almost never become unrestricted free agents. Cousins could be one next offseason if he plays under another franchise tag. The Redskins designating Cousins as a franchise player for a third and final time in 2018 at almost $34.5 million seems implausible. Another option would be using a transition tag for $28.73 million instead, which would only provide a right to match an offer sheet.

[U]There has been speculation that Cousins could get $30 million per year on the open market given the shortage of good quarterbacks.[/U] Cousins signing in free agency would likely be a game changer for quarterback salaries even if he falls short of the mark. It would be the beginning of a dramatic shift at the top of quarterback market. Cousins' contract would be the starting point for the new deal Rodgers is expected to sign with the Packers in 2018 when there are two years left on his current deal. The Falcons will likely extend reigning NFL MVP Matt Ryan next year as well since he will be in a contract year.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171290]I think it will happen, but stating the reason as the Redskins will use common sense, ascribes an ability to understand common sense that the Redskins have routinely showed a lack of.[/quote]

I don't know if I agree, at least as it pertains to Cousins.

Last year I fully supported their desire to see another year from him to be certain. And this year, there's been a lot written critically, and a lot of hand wringing on the part of fans, but this year isn't over yet.

I believe their intention this year has always been to sign him long term, at market rate, now that they saw the year they needed to see from him. It's just that showing their cards before July 17 makes no sense. The media wants to tell us that the Redskins have overplayed their hand here, but the river card has yet to even come out. It's too early to be critical of them. July 18 will be the date for the quarterback referendum.

If you were referring to Redskins history in general under Snyder I get it and chuckle along with you. But I haven't seen too many of those blunder moves lately. I just don't see the Cousins situation going south. I think, despite media reports, he wants to be here and knows he has it good here in this offense. And I think the Redskins know he's worth committing to.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171297]I don't know if I agree, at least as it pertains to Cousins.

Last year I fully supported their desire to see another year from him to be certain. And this year, there's been a lot written critically, and a lot of hand wringing on the part of fans, but this year isn't over yet.

I believe their intention this year has always been to sign him long term, at market rate, now that they saw the year they needed to see from him. It's just that showing their cards before July 17 makes no sense. The media wants to tell us that the Redskins have overplayed their hand here, but the river card has yet to even come out. It's too early to be critical of them. July 18 will be the date for the quarterback referendum.

If you were referring to Redskins history in general under Snyder I get it and chuckle along with you. But I haven't seen too many of those blunder moves lately. I just don't see the Cousins situation going south. I think, despite media reports, he wants to be here and knows he has it good here in this offense. And I think the Redskins know he's worth committing to.[/quote]

Mostly I am referring to the general history of the past 20 years. But, I also am not going to give carte blanche credit to them for the Cousins situation. They could be playing it right, but even under the best possible outcome, we will have committed nearly 90Million (20M last year, and 70M guaranteed dollars on a long term deal) to a qb who doesn't have a playoff win or anything near it - and squeezed the team for nearly every last dollar in order to keep his salary from being a drag on qb salaries in general. If they get a longterm deal done, then great, and I hope he is who we fans want him to be. If they don't get a longterm deal done then fans will rightly have a lot of questions about what the front office's thinking is in terms of the future of the QB position.

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All good points. We'll know a lot more on July 18. Whether or not we all like what they decide to do depends on the player we think Cousins is.

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i just wish espn would quit talking about it.everybody else too.

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Less than 2 weeks till this shit show is over. Do we trade Cousins on the 18th if not signed? Another year of this circus would be unbearable.

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I just had a conversation with Kirk a few minutes ago ( seriously) I'll post pictures in a little while.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1171361]I just had a conversation with Kirk a few minutes ago ( seriously) I'll post pictures in a little while.[/quote]

Did he tell you how much he wants per year so i know what side to be mad at?

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Haha...no, but he did say he wants to stay in DC.

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good read, if not optimistic:
[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/240449/despite-positive-vibes-kirk-cousins-deal-with-redskins-remains-long-shot]Positive vibes, but Kirk Cousins deal with Redskins still a long shot - NFL Nation- ESPN[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171380]good read, if not optimistic:
[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/240449/despite-positive-vibes-kirk-cousins-deal-with-redskins-remains-long-shot]Positive vibes, but Kirk Cousins deal with Redskins still a long shot - NFL Nation- ESPN[/url][/quote]

I think the term "long shot" is coming from the team not leaking much at all to the media, and thus writers are falling back on recent history: the 'Skins haven't offered Cousins more than $20M per season and they've shown no inclination to do to this point, so therefore it's not looking likely.

But I maintain the team will not show its hand until this weekend. I think they'll come with their last best and final this weekend, and it will likely be good enough for Cousins to sign.

I think what precious little we're hearing in the media is originating with Cousins's side, basically just saying there haven't been much in the way of negotiations. The lack of information out of Redskins park is leading writers to make assumptions.

Each of these articles, Keim's, the WaPo's, they all acknowledge that deadlines spur action.

I still say it gets done.

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I stll think it's not going to happen:mad::banghead::hitfan:

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This better get done!!! I am tired of being let down by the dipshits that run the team. I used to be a rabid fan, but what has gone down in the last 5 seasons has really taken a toll on me in terms of my level of fandom. Stop the merry go round and build a frigging team!!!!! I am tired of being a jaded fan!!! Pay the man!!!

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In terms of him signing, absent the media, I wouldn't care nearly as much, but if we don't sign him, having to hear about it all the fucking time, will be the shits. All 16 games, it would be discussed, and all summer too.

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I'd really be surprised if a deal got done at this point. This is the strangest contract negotiation in the history of the NFL.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171387]I'd really be surprised if a deal got done at this point. This is the strangest contract negotiation in the history of the NFL.[/quote]

If it doesn't get done then I gonna have to listen to all the crap in the media about how the Skins effed it up. It gets old but its the Snyder way. I really cant believe we've finally found a proven QB and we aren't satisfied.

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[quote=Chico23231;1171388]If it doesn't get done then I gonna have to listen to all the crap in the media about how the Skins effed it up. It gets old but its the Snyder way. I really cant believe we've finally found a proven QB and we aren't satisfied.[/quote]

Skins are damned if they do, damned if they don't get in terms of signing KC. Either they are foolish for not signing him at around his asking price OR they are same old Snyder for overpaying for a player salary regardless of salary cap consequences.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171389]Skins are damned if they do, damned if they don't get in terms of signing KC. Either they are foolish for not signing him at around his asking price OR they are same old Snyder for overpaying for a player salary regardless of salary cap consequences.[/quote]

ha, that a fair point. meanwhile...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/11/all-quiet-on-the-rgiii-front/]All quiet on the RGIII front | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1171389]Skins are damned if they do, damned if they don't get in terms of signing KC. Either they are foolish for not signing him at around his asking price OR they are same old Snyder for overpaying for a player salary regardless of salary cap consequences.[/quote]

Last year (July 15, 2016) it was reported the skins offered 16 M per w 24 M guaranteed. An offer they made 5 months prior and didnt increase. I think Cousins camp wanted 20 M per.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000675043/article/redskins-offered-kirk-cousins-24m-in-guarantees]Redskins offered Kirk Cousins $24M in guarantees - NFL.com[/url]

This year it was reported the Skins offered 20 M per and Cousins wants 24.

If the Skins made the 20 per offer and just sat on their hands this entire time like they did last year, I will want Allen's head on a pike. At least sit at the table and try to massage the numbers. Offer him 21 and add on a 5th year, then offer 22 at 4 years, etc .... but at least have some dialogue going.

This apparent incompetence is just baffling.

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I dont think they are sitting on their hands. I think KCs more positive comments are because the Skins have been ratcheting up their offers and getting closer to his. Thank goodness there are only 5 days left for this dogdoo.

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If he doesnt sign I'm going to seriously kick a lot of puppys.

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The way things are presently, here are the options available. Just figure the over/under for each possibility:

1. Deal gets done and signed before July 16th. Drama is over. KC gets his contract. Washington gets their franchise QB.

2. July 16th comes and goes. KC plays under current tag. 2018 gets the Transition Tag. Which means KC can take other offers, but Washington has the option to match. If they match. KC gets his contract. Washington gets their franchise QB. If Washington does not match offer, KC is gone. More importantly, Washington gets NOTHING in compensation.

3. Plays under tag in 2017. Becomes FA in 2018

4. KC gets traded before July 17, 2017

I think if option 1 does not transpire, than KC will not be in Washington next year. But the 2018 draft is supposed to be deep at QB.

If option 2 or 3 occurs and KC signs with another team, you need to get a new GM. If KC leaves and the Skins get ZERO in return, that is a criminal act in the NFL and the GM should be shot.

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1171393]If he doesnt sign I'm going to seriously kick a lot of puppys.[/QUOTE]
Could I join and smash some babies' heads?

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I saw Vinny Cerrato this morning at the rink. I asked him if we sign Kurt by the deadline and he simply said "no".

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[quote=mredskins;1171401]I saw Vinny Cerrato this morning at the rink. I asked him if we sign Kurt by the deadline and he simply said "no".[/quote]

That sounds ominous.

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Fuck Vinny

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I know hindsight is 20/20 and with the current CBO deal the player contracts game has to be played.
But we grade players by their history of what they do on the field. We [B]have[/B] do the same to grade our Front Office.
When you look back at the history of the Kirk Cousins rookie contract and how little we paid him, including his successful 2015 season. In 2015 Kirk was our starter and he earned a measly $660,000. If he was not the lowest paid starter in the NFL in 2015, we certainly got a great deal.
Before the 2015 season instead of signing him to an extention, our FO challenged Cousins and played a BIG poker hand thinking Cousins could be a bluff.
Our FO lost that poker hand with the Cousins. Our FO didn't just lose the poker game, they got schooled.
Before 2016 season, instead of saying we got a great deal 2015 by paying our starting QB $660,000 last year and got a long term contract done, they made him put his livelihood on the line a second season to play on another one year contract. If Cousins had a serious injury during the 2015 or 2016 season, Cousins could have been another RGIII situation who is currently out of football.
Bottom line, Captain Obvious observation, Our FO has not handled this situation well.
To think of what we could have signed Cousins to a long term $11M to $12m per/season contract BEFORE the 2015 season is mind blowing. Especially knowing then we knew the NFL Salary cap was going to skyrocket in the next two years. Bad gamble. We knew other teams valued and wanted Cousins. He was not a complete unknown, but we treated him like one.

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[quote=Chico23231;1171390]ha, that a fair point. meanwhile...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/07/11/all-quiet-on-the-rgiii-front/]All quiet on the RGIII front | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Griffin is better than EJ Manuel, Sanchez, Geno Smith and probably Gabbert. I've never even heard of Austin Davis. His issue is he literally can not finish a damn game w/out getting hurt.

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[quote=mredskins;1171401]I saw Vinny Cerrato this morning at the rink. I asked him if we sign Kurt by the deadline and he simply said "no".[/quote]

Did you ask him why he was the dumbest front office executive in the history of the NFL?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171405]Griffin is better than EJ Manuel, Sanchez, Geno Smith and probably Gabbert. I've never even heard of Austin Davis. His issue is he literally can not finish a damn game w/out getting hurt.[/quote]

Yeah...but Im beginning to think now attitude and behavior has something to do with it as well.

But your right, he never learned how to protect himself.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1171394]The way things are presently, here are the options available. Just figure the over/under for each possibility:

1. Deal gets done and signed before July 16th. Drama is over. KC gets his contract. Washington gets their franchise QB.

2. July 16th comes and goes. KC plays under current tag. 2018 gets the Transition Tag. Which means KC can take other offers, but Washington has the option to match. If they match. KC gets his contract. Washington gets their franchise QB. If Washington does not match offer, KC is gone. More importantly, Washington gets NOTHING in compensation.

3. Plays under tag in 2017. Becomes FA in 2018

4. KC gets traded before July 17, 2017

I think if option 1 does not transpire, than KC will not be in Washington next year. But the 2018 draft is supposed to be deep at QB.

If option 2 or 3 occurs and KC signs with another team, you need to get a new GM. If KC leaves and the Skins get ZERO in return, that is a criminal act in the NFL and the GM should be shot.[/quote]

I mentioned this before, I truly believe that the market for Cousins and his salary demands might dry up. You have a handful of teams that would probably make a run at him, but at what price? Some of the teams that might want him may look at what Prescott has done, decide to draft Rosen or one of several talented guys coming out, coach them up and have them play on their rookie deals. That's probably a savings of 20 million or so.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171406]Did you ask him why he was the dumbest front office executive in the history of the NFL?[/quote]

No he is a very nice guy. I see him there quit a bit. He sucked at his job for the Skins but from what I can tell he is a nice guy.

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I'm sure there are worse out there in the history of the league than Vinny, plus it's only fair to say he was GM when Snyder was much more involved.