Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=Chico23231;1182804]I agree and its a legitimate reason to not be here.


I do wonder if we tag cousins again, would San Fran be willing to trade Cousins for Jimmy G straight up? Id take that trade....call Josh McDaniels to see if he would be interested in HC job and fire Gruden.[/quote]

I also expect that Gruden will be gone. The only thing this organization does well is lurch from one thing to the next.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1182806]I love Kirk, best QB we've had since Theisman IMO but I don't see him here anymore. If I'm the Vikings or Dolphins I'm paying him 30M to come.[/quote]

they already have QB's. no way do they pay him that kind of money. the market for kirk isn't going to be what he thinks it is...

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

If anyone caught the NFL Radio show on XM radio this morning they were all saying the skins should tank for a QB and use the money on other positions.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1182809]they already have QB's. no way do they pay him that kind of money. the market for kirk isn't going to be what he thinks it is...[/quote]

Tannehill? He's not even on Kirks planet, and who does MIN have?

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1182806]I love Kirk, best QB we've had since Theisman IMO but I don't see him here anymore. If I'm the Vikings or Dolphins I'm paying him 30M to come.[/quote]

The Jaguars would be foolish not to pursue Cousins. That team would be easily favored to win the SB.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

Alright, so what is the date that a decision has to be made about Kirk, whether he's tagged again or given a new deal?

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=Redskins247;1182819]Alright, so what is the date that a decision has to be made about Kirk, whether he's tagged again or given a new deal?[/quote]

February 15 - First day teams can assign franchise or transition tags. Teams have a two-week window to assign tags.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

"I don't think it's Washington, just because of, you've seen what's been going on," he said. "Do they want him there? Does he want to be there?"

RG3 today on NFL LIVE.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

Who the F cares what RG3 thinks.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=MTK;1183173]Who the F cares what RG3 thinks.[/quote]

The drama filled ESPN

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1183172]"I don't think it's Washington, just because of, you've seen what's been going on," he said. "Do they want him there? Does he want to be there?"

RG3 today on NFL LIVE.[/quote]

"Man has opinion."

Or if you want to be more technical:

"Butthurt failure at qb delightfully seethes with vengeful laughter because his backup-turned-star might spurn the place that once spurned him."

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

lol meanwhile if RG3 was offered even just a vet min deal here you know he would fall all over himself to sign it.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=MTK;1183176]lol meanwhile if RG3 was offered even just a vet min deal here you know he would fall all over himself to sign it.[/quote]

It still amazes me what a douche he turned out to be. During his rookie season, I kept thinking, "Man, this guy seems too good to be true." What a punchline he has become -- reminds me of a line from Bull Durham: "He's got a million dollar arm and a five cent head."

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=calia;1183180]It still amazes me what a douche he turned out to be. During his rookie season, I kept thinking, "Man, this guy seems too good to be true." What a punchline he has become -- reminds me of a line from Bull Durham: "He's got a million dollar arm and a five cent head."[/quote]

Total fraud, I'll always feel duped

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=MTK;1183176]lol meanwhile if RG3 was offered even just a vet min deal here you know he would fall all over himself to sign it.[/quote]

Absolutely! I wonder how much he got for that interview?

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

I was all in on RG3, in fact the first skins game I ever went to was his rookie yr against STL and it was because of him. I really thought we had our savior and a SB was coming our way..... Boy that is when I really stopped drinking the kool-aid.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=metalskins;1183186]Absolutely! I wonder how much he got for that interview?[/quote]

He said on Mike and Mike or whatever its called now, that "I didn't play this yr because I never had the right fit"

he did say that he loved Mike Shanahan too.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=MTK;1183184]Total fraud, I'll always feel duped[/quote]

I know -- that's exactly how I feel. And honestly, after blaming Shanahan for leaving him in injured (which he did), I've come to the conclusion that it wouldn't have mattered. RGIII is just an arrogant douche, and it would have become apparent sooner or later.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1183188]He said on Mike and Mike or whatever its called now, that "I didn't play this yr because I never had the right fit"

he did say that he loved Mike Shanahan too.[/quote]

Hilarious, but accurate if you define the "right fit" as "any team remotely interested in me."

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=calia;1183191]Hilarious, but accurate if you define the "right fit" as "any team remotely interested in me."[/quote]

I bet someone signs him to camp but he won't make it

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

Kirk proved once again yesterday that he is a top tier QB.

Against the number 1 D (stat wise) with once again no run game and dropped passes, he played very well and made the throws that mattered in the right times.

Like I've said all along, I hope we keep him I just don't know if Bruce is committed.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

I'm not clear on this: When are the Skins first able to sign Cousins to a new contract? After the Superbowl?

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=calia;1183189]I know -- that's exactly how I feel. And honestly, after blaming Shanahan for leaving him in injured (which he did), I've come to the conclusion that it wouldn't have mattered. RGIII is just an arrogant douche, and it would have become apparent sooner or later.[/quote]

He is all those things but you can't tell me he isn't better than Gabbert.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=Skinsfanatic;1183547]I'm not clear on this: When are the Skins first able to sign Cousins to a new contract? After the Superbowl?[/quote]

I believe it's right after the season ends. Same thing last year and they didn't do anything from the time the season ended until FA.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

Whatever happens, please just don't use the standard franchise tag again. I really can't go thru another year of the same damn conversation and the terrible media attention it causes.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1183566]Whatever happens, please just don't use the standard franchise tag again. I really can't go thru another year of the same damn conversation and the terrible media attention it causes.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Even for the future of the team and the cap that would be stupid.

I'd understand taking the chance with the transition tag though. But even that could backfire if Kirk goes "you know what I won't sign any offer and just play for 28M"...

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1183589]Agreed. Even for the future of the team and the cap that would be stupid.

I'd understand taking the chance with the transition tag though. But even that could backfire if Kirk goes "you know what I won't sign any offer and just play for 28M"...

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk[/quote]

Yeah, but 28 is way better than 35. I'd not be a fan but could live with it as its worth the risk for 2 possible 1st round picks.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

Something just tells me Bruce wont pay him 28 a year

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1183590]Yeah, but 28 is way better than 35. I'd not be a fan but could live with it as its worth the risk for 2 possible 1st round picks.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785958/article/what-to-know-about-nfl-franchise-tag-designations[/url]

We wouldn't get compensation with the transition tag, only with the non exclusive franchise tag, which would be 35.

Being able to match any offer accepted would be great though.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos/Bolt/Yahoo-Sports-believes-Kirk-Cousins-lands-with-Broncos-112396816[/url]

Quick free agent fix: Remember that John Elway doesn’t like losing. Presumably he sees his defense and feels it can compete at a championship level. What he needs is a quarterback, and one who can step in and provide an instant boost to a moribund offense. With the 49ers presumably happy with Jimmy Garoppolo, is there a more obvious landing spot for Kirk Cousins than Denver? That assumes the Redskins don’t give Cousins another franchise tag. Denver doesn’t have a ton of cap space, but they are projected by Spotrac to have about $33 million. I think this is where Cousins lands. Signing a veteran and not using their high draft pick on a quarterback would also leave the light on for Paxton Lynch to turn around his career and become the quarterback of the future, however unlikely that seems at the moment.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1183595][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785958/article/what-to-know-about-nfl-franchise-tag-designations]What to know about NFL franchise tag designations - NFL.com[/url]

We wouldn't get compensation with the transition tag, only with the non exclusive franchise tag, which would be 35.

Being able to match any offer accepted would be great though.[/quote]

Oh man, that changes my opinion altogether. I don't want to use any tag on Cousins then. They need to resign him or move on then. Time to shit or get off the proverbial pot.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1183599]Oh man, that changes my opinion altogether. I don't want to use any tag on Cousins then. They need to resign him or move on then. Time to shit or get off the proverbial pot.[/QUOTE]

The transition tag could be a good way to sign him long term while allowing the FO to save face and be sure not to overpay him in the eyes of the league...
but again a smart business decision from Kirk could be not to sign any offer and take the 28M.

But I'd take the chance because I think he is a sensed person and would eventually accept a legit LTD offer.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

I was listening to Kirk today on Grant and Danny and he was mentioning how the successful teams have the same coach, qb and so on. It didn't sound like he was interested in leaving. I think the Redskins were always his 1st choice.

I just think if he's going to stay here he needs to be realistic and know he's not a top 5 NFL QB. Yeah we know how it works for QB's but he's not going to be the highest paid guy here. I doubt Bruce and Dan are going to go high 20's. If he can swallow his pride and perhaps work out a LTD at around what he's making now maybe they get something done.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=FrenchSkin;1183601]The transition tag could be a good way to sign him long term while allowing the FO to save face and be sure not to overpay him in the eyes of the league... but again a smart business decision from Kirk could be not to sign any offer and take the 28M.
But I'd take the chance because I think he is a sensed person and would eventually accept a legit LTD offer.

Envoyé de mon SM-J320FN en utilisant Tapatalk[/quote]

Yeah, he'll probably get paid that much as part of his regular contract anyways. However, it puts us in the same predicament if we don't sign him to contract. Then he leaves year after next and we waste that money we could have used to sign a multitude of the players that would be on team in 2019 too. I'm ready to lock him up or draft his replacement.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;1183605]I was listening to Kirk today on Grant and Danny and he was mentioning how the successful teams have the same coach, qb and so on. It didn't sound like he was interested in leaving. I think the Redskins were always his 1st choice.

I just think if he's going to stay here he needs to be realistic and know he's not a top 5 NFL QB. Yeah we know how it works for QB's but he's not going to be the highest paid guy here. I doubt Bruce and Dan are going to go high 20's. If he can swallow his pride and perhaps work out a LTD at around what he's making now maybe they get something done.[/quote]

He doesn't need to be realistic. Brock Osweiler got 80 million last year. What part of that is realistic? Welcome to the NFL, where even mediocre qb's who haven't proven anything get paid. The ones who have proven it get even more paid.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

This idea that he needs to take a discount is ridiculous. The team needs to step up and pay him or he's gone. It's really that simple.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=mooby;1183607]He doesn't need to be realistic. Brock Osweiler got 80 million last year. What part of that is realistic? Welcome to the NFL, where even mediocre qb's who haven't proven anything get paid. The ones who have proven it get even more paid.[/quote]

how much of that did he actually see?

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

He doesn't have to take a discount. Hopefully we make a fair offer and its up to him to say yes or no. If its no, he moves on, and we draft a QB. Skins just need to determine what they're willing to offer, and if they don't offer enough, be willing to accept the fact he can and most likely will say no.

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1183614]He doesn't have to take a discount. Hopefully we make a fair offer and its up to him to say yes or no. If its no, he moves on, and we draft a QB. Skins just need to determine what they're willing to offer, and if they don't offer enough, be willing to accept the fact he can and most likely will say no.[/quote]

You make a fair point but i think drafting a QB could potentially follow the Cousins situation:

We draft a QB and get him at a moderate price due to the rookie deal. Couple of years down the road we have the same problem - Redskins don't want to pay the big money to keep him.

I think in all that is going on, some of us don't realize that KC is/was that same drafted QB. We for the first time in a long while drafted & developed a legit starting QB. What assurance do we have that the FO doesn't make the same mistake with whoever they drafted? Can we really say "Oh they learned from the Cousins mistake"? Has this franchise consistently proved that we have learned from any mistakes made??

Re: Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

[quote=calia;1183191]Hilarious, but accurate if you define the "right fit" as "any team remotely interested in me."[/quote]

The right fit would be a college team. Too bad his eligibility is gone. And the Browns are the closest thing to a college team in the NFL, and he couldn't cut it there either.

I think the new "right fit" should be the AFL or CFL.