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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1208032]It looked to me like a compound fracture, bottom of his leg was at an angle.[/QUOTE]



Ok Doc

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[quote=MTK;1208033]Ok Doc[/quote]

Did you see it? Look for the video then call me doc.

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[quote=MTK;1208025]I think we need to slow the roll on ending his career. It’s a 6 month injury typically.[/quote]

LOL! Not for a 34 year old.

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[quote=metalskins;1208036]LOL! Not for a 34 year old.[/quote]

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/alex-smith-carted-off-field-brutal-leg-injury-201415301.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1208035]Did you see it? Look for the video then call me doc.[/QUOTE]


Haven’t heard anyone call it a compound fracture yet including several sport docs on Twitter

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Sincerely sorry to see the Alex Smith got hurt like he did ,next man up.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;1208028]If I’m not wrong the game where Thiesmann’s leg was broken ended with the same score and happened on the 40 yard line also.[/quote]

It was the same score. Confirmed that by looking it up. Pretty creepy. Not sure about the 40 yard line.

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[quote=MTK;1208042]Haven’t heard anyone call it a compound fracture yet including several sport docs on Twitter[/quote]

It was Joe Thiesman-ish. This is not a 6 month and back to the NFL injury. He can come back but it will take more time.

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How do the salary cap numbers work if he stays out an extended amount of time versus retiring?

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[QUOTE=FWD Skins;1208053]How do the salary cap numbers work if he stays out an extended amount of time versus retiring?[/QUOTE]Im curious too. I have a feeling that either way his contract is gonna fuck us for a few years.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;1208031]Just curious wasn’t Joe contemplating retirement[/quote]

I don't think so, I read Joe's book but it has been a long while. He had a press conference 4 days after surgery and he vowed to come back for the 1986 season. It was only when he had to work out for Lloyd's of London that summer, that it hit him that he was done. He said that he was doing fine, sprinting and running and throwing, but it wasn't until he had to roll to the left that the injury showed itself. His right leg had healed shorter than the left due to the injury and the surgery, so he said he looked like chester from gun smoke. 8 months to the day that L.T. broke his leg, he failed his physical and that was it.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins;1208052]It was Joe Thiesman-ish. This is not a 6 month and back to the NFL injury. He can come back but it will take more time.[/QUOTE]


Training camp is 9 months away, he could be back by then if all goes well with his surgery and rehab.

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[quote=Defensewins;1208052]It was Joe Thiesman-ish. This is not a 6 month and back to the NFL injury. He can come back but it will take more time.[/quote]

Yeah i'm not seeing anybody call it a six month injury presently. Everyone so far from Sportswriters to casual observers are saying that most likely the redskins have to be ready to spend the beginning part of next season without Alex, if he can make it back.

I wish him the best too, but like somebody else said, do you roll the dice on a 35 year old guy coming off a horrifying leg injury? Maybe Alex will be totally fine and we are all worried over nothing.

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One of his big strengths is mobility... Sucks for Alex, I really like the leader he is. Maybe this team can rally like philly did last yr?

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1208062]Yeah i'm not seeing anybody call it a six month injury presently. Everyone so far from Sportswriters to casual observers are saying that most likely the redskins have to be ready to spend the beginning part of next season without Alex, if he can make it back.

I wish him the best too, but like somebody else said, do you roll the dice on a 35 year old guy coming off a horrifying leg injury? Maybe Alex will be totally fine and we are all worried over nothing.[/QUOTE]The thing is, if his salary counts against the cap, he may be the best option we can afford if only as backup QB going forward.

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One day this team will have a franchise QB again. Idk when tho

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If the skins are intelligent, they should use this injury to move on from smith...

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1208068]If the skins are intelligent, they should use this injury to move on from smith...[/QUOTE]



You do realize there’s some serious cap implications to deal with

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[quote=MTK;1208060]Training camp is 9 months away, he could be back by then if all goes well with his surgery and rehab.[/quote]

That would be if everything went perfectly. It usually takes about six months just for the bone to heal completely before you even begin to work the legs. The older you are, the longer it takes to heal. If he comes back at all, it's likely he won't be starting the season. And if he does come back, how effective can he really be? He was already struggling. It's good for the franchise to start talking about how to move forward.

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[quote=Chico23231;1208068]If the skins are intelligent, they should use this injury to move on from smith...[/quote]

If he can play after this, he deserves to be on the team at least. I agree tho, I would draft a QB round 1 now.

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[quote=MTK;1208070]You do realize there’s some serious cap implications to deal with[/quote]

Another dumbass Bruce Allen and dan Snyder qb decision. He was hot garbage today. Skins front office needs to come up with a plan to lessen the burden of that ignorant extension

Skins need to draft a qb immediately.

No way in hell do I want to see Alex rushed back from this massive injury

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I guess I am doctor after all, compound fracture:

[url]https://www.12up.com/posts/6226039-breaking-alex-smith-out-for-season-after-being-diagnosed-with-broken-tibia-and-fibula[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1208121]I guess I am doctor after all, compound fracture:

[url]https://www.12up.com/posts/6226039-breaking-alex-smith-out-for-season-after-being-diagnosed-with-broken-tibia-and-fibula[/url][/quote]

You must've stayed in a Holiday Express last night.

That sucks. Disgusting injury.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1208121]I guess I am doctor after all, compound fracture:

[url]https://www.12up.com/posts/6226039-breaking-alex-smith-out-for-season-after-being-diagnosed-with-broken-tibia-and-fibula[/url][/quote]

The dude's career is over. I hate to say it, but I just don't see how he comes back from this injury.

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Joe T said "This is a hard injury to come back from" He would know better than anyone. I dont see AS playing again

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What are strange day. The anniversary of Joe T's injury and Alex breaks his leg too. Just terrible. Smith is a good dude, you have to feel bad for him.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1208141]Joe T said "This is a hard injury to come back from" He would know better than anyone. I dont see AS playing again[/QUOTE]


JT’s injury was also 33 years ago. Medically it’s a completely different world now. We’ll see.

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[quote=MTK;1208144]JT’s injury was also 33 years ago. Medically it’s a completely different world now. We’ll see.[/quote]

He’s human like you and me, 34 years old and was playing tentatively for us. How do you think he would be after a gruesome injury? I don’t know, he might be scared shitless, might not come back and retire. Will find out next year, all I know is we will be drafting a QB next year.

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[quote=MTK;1208144]JT’s injury was also 33 years ago. Medically it’s a completely different world now. We’ll see.[/quote]

very true

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Can someone explain the cap implications if a) He is unable to play and retires. b) We cut him.

I understand he has $71MM guaranteed for injury. Does this all go against our CAP?

Are we just in a hole if he has to sit out the better part of next year?

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;1208459]Can someone explain the cap implications if a) He is unable to play and retires. b) We cut him.

I understand he has $71MM guaranteed for injury. Does this all go against our CAP?

Are we just in a hole if he has to sit out the better part of next year?[/quote]

OK I think I have some answers. I'm halfway making this up so please correct me and fill in the gaps....

Looking at his contract:
[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/alex-smith-3337/[/url]

Alex Has 55MM totally guaranteed and $71MM guaranteed for injury.
[LIST]The 55 comprises of his 5 years of signing bonus(5.4MMx5=27MM) and his 2018 and 2019 base salaries (13MM+15MM) [/LIST]
We owe him the 2019 Salary and the remaining signing bonus no matter what. However if he is injured and unable to play we will also owe him his 2020 base salary of $16MM.

So in the case:[LIST]
He cannot play-- we will owe him 20.4MM next year 21.4MM in 2020 and 5.4 in 2021 and 2022.[/LIST][LIST]
He can play and we want to cut him-- We can save $16MM of the above in 2020. [/LIST]All numbers above are cap implications, rather then when he actually receives the money. Thats all we should care about.

I hope he can recover. Good for him that he negotiated a good contract that will compensate him an additional $16MM for a horrible scenario. However, the unable to play bar is very high. If he gets cleared for 2020 (which I suspect he will)- he is not guaranteed that amount.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;1208459]Can someone explain the cap implications if a) He is unable to play and retires. b) We cut him.

I understand he has $71MM guaranteed for injury. Does this all go against our CAP?

Are we just in a hole if he has to sit out the better part of next year?[/quote]

He had an injury clause, so either way he's getting 44M over the next 3 years

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1208073]If he can play after this, he deserves to be on the team at least. I agree tho, I would draft a QB round 1 now.[/quote]

I am not going to jump on a draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB right now. If we are talking about drafting one to be starter ready I am not on board.

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From J I Halsell:
Alex Smith’s 15M ‘19 salary is guar’d for skill/inj/cap; his 16M ‘20 salary is currently only guar’d for inj. The ‘20 16M = truly guar’d if he’s on the roster the 5th day of ‘19 free agency. Meaning, if he can’t pass a physical in 4 months, his 2020 salary becomes truly guar’d.


No exception, his 15M salary in 2019 and 16M in 2020 will continue to count on the Redskins salary cap in those respective years.

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Bottom line we're kind of stuck with him through 2020. Better hope he heals up well.

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Good info here

[URL="http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-alex-smith-leg-fracture-rehab-redskins-1120-story.html"]New details on Alex Smith injury show severity, don't mean it's worse[/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1208501]Good info here

[URL="http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/profootballdoc/sd-sp-pfd-alex-smith-leg-fracture-rehab-redskins-1120-story.html"]New details on Alex Smith injury show severity, don't mean it's worse[/URL][/quote]

That's a relief.. Thanks for sharing

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1208147]He’s human like you and me, 34 years old and was playing tentatively for us. How do you think he would be after a gruesome injury? I don’t know, he might be scared shitless, might not come back and retire. Will find out next year, all I know is we will be drafting a QB next year.[/quote]

Dude, just because you don't want him to play, doesn't mean he won't. Alex is a competitive guy and I'm pretty sure he won't want to an injury dictate how he leaves the NFL. Just like when Steve Smith had a season-ending injury in his last season, and came back for one more season.

So just stop wishing him away.

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I bet he will do all he can to play again. Some on here wish he would retire, I know but he doesn't seem like the kind to go out that easy. Also just because he's on the roster doesn't mean we cant draft a QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1208509]Dude, just because you don't want him to play, doesn't mean he won't. Alex is a competitive guy and I'm pretty sure he won't want to an injury dictate how he leaves the NFL. Just like when Steve Smith had a season-ending injury in his last season, and came back for one more season.

So just stop wishing him away.[/quote]

I just hope we have a steady plan B.

I just don't want the excuse when setback happens, slow recovery, etc. Then for folks to be like "well what did you expect?" I just expect us to have a plan b.

I just wonder from a mental aspect...no saying AS is mentally weak...but I think that's apart a massive injury that's over looked. When CT cameback from injury this year, there was a little bit of that...learning to trust your body again.