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[quote=GridIron26;1198373][url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/8/21/17765498/doug-williams-presser-cam-sims-threw-a-hand-grenade-into-the-redskins-wr-competition[/url]


I think Sims is now my favorite underdog this year[/quote]

He made some really nice catches, and I do love his toughness and attitude. And Gruden said he's "raw"... Well I can't wait to see what he'll do when he won't be raw anymore!

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[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/23/cam-sims-redskins-leads-rookie-wrs-pro-football-focus-grades-preseason/[/url]

I think it is now safe to say that we will keep Sims on the roster when season starts. How amazing it would be if Sims eventually take over Doc's role in future? It sure would be a great way to make up for wasting a 1st round pick if Doc doesn't step up this year.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198388]He made some really nice catches, and I do love his toughness and attitude. And Gruden said he's "raw"... [B]Well I can't wait to see what he'll do when he won't be raw anymore![/B][/quote]

Me too, I think there's a chance we will get to see lot of him next year

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[quote=GridIron26;1198465][URL]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/23/cam-sims-redskins-leads-rookie-wrs-pro-football-focus-grades-preseason/[/URL]

I think it is now safe to say that we will keep Sims on the roster when season starts. How amazing it would be if Sims eventually take over Doc's role in future? It sure would be a great way to make up for wasting a 1st round pick if Doc doesn't step up this year.[/quote]

What would be truly amazing is if Doctson and Sims are the starters next year. Why can't they both be successful?

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[quote=MTK;1198468]What would be truly amazing is if Doctson and Sims are the starters next year. Why can't they both be successful?[/quote]

You are right.. I do still have hope for Doc. I suppose how things are going for him in training camp recently is diminishing my hope for him but you are still right to hope best for both.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198388]He made some really nice catches, and I do love his toughness and attitude. And Gruden said he's "raw"... Well I can't wait to see what he'll do when he won't be raw anymore![/quote]

Simms reminds me of Anquan Boldin. Not the fastest receiver but big, physical, with great body control, and good hands (AB was 6' 1", Simms is listed 6' 5" - both at 220lb). If he improves on his route running and works on his technique to get separation, he has long career ahead of him. I don't ever think he will be a true deep receiver (his 40 time is in the 4.6 range), but he could become a fantastic No. 2.

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Got this from reddit and have heard similar numbers before:

"A person who runs a 4.4, or a decent 40 time gets about 9.1 yards per second. A 4.6 person would run 8.7 yards per second."

So, a WR like Doctson, who runs with ~4.4, would have a full yard more separation than a receiver like Simms, who runs closer to 4.6, would have.

Obviously, pads, routes, defenders, turf, etc. all play a role in a player's game speed, and we have all seen that speed alone does not make a good WR. However, the physical difference that those .2's of a second represent are something that cannot be taught and, generally, are the difference between a WR being a true deep threat (which Doctson has the potential to be) and a very good, but limited, WR.

Mind you, I am not knocking Simms. I like him a LOT. It's just that, in addition to his "being raw," he has certain real physical limitations that may prevent him from ever becoming a true No. 1 WR. You can't teach speed.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1198487]Got this from reddit and have heard similar numbers before:

"A person who runs a 4.4, or a decent 40 time gets about 9.1 yards per second. A 4.6 person would run 8.7 yards per second."

So, a WR like Doctson, who runs with ~4.4, would have a full yard more separation than a receiver like Simms, who runs closer to 4.6, would have.

Obviously, pads, routes, defenders, turf, etc. all play a role in a player's game speed, and we have all seen that speed alone does not make a good WR. However, the physical difference that those .2's of a second represent are something that cannot be taught and, generally, are the difference between a WR being a true deep threat (which Doctson has the potential to be) and a very good, but limited, WR.

Mind you, I am not knocking Simms. I like him a LOT. It's just that, in addition to his "being raw," he has certain real physical limitations that may prevent him from ever becoming a true No. 1 WR. You can't teach speed.[/quote]

You can't teach heart, either.

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^^ Okay. However, I haven't seen anything from either Doctson or Simms that they lack in that department.

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We've seen way too many WR training camp heroes over the years... Sims seems like a nice prospect don't get me wrong, but let's talk if/when he breaks into the starting lineup.

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[quote=MTK;1198495]We've seen way too many WR training camp heroes over the years... Sims seems like a nice prospect don't get me wrong, but let's talk if/when he breaks into the starting lineup.[/quote]

Yeah I am over the kool-aid with these wr's.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1198496]Yeah I am over the kool-aid with these wr's.[/quote]

He will be starting by week 6. As many people have pointed out you can teach speed. You also can't teach size and he has a lot of size.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1198504]He will be starting by week 6. As many people have pointed out you can teach speed. [B]You also can't teach size and he has a lot of size.[/B][/quote]

Some players who have size do not necessarily use it to their advantage...Sims def uses it. He shields against defenders, catches in traffic and goes up over defenders.

His size in the red zone is evident...too me he should be in the package immediately once we are within the twenty.

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Barring injuries there’s zero chance Sims is starting by week 6

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[quote=MTK;1198518]Barring injuries there’s zero chance Sims is starting by week 6[/quote]

IF he even makes the team.

Doctson, Richardson, Crowder, Harris and Quinn have all got a better shot IMO, with the first 3 being locks.

He's definitely in contention for the 6th spot but lets see if he even makes the 53 or gameday 46.

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[QUOTE=sevier2;1198544]IF he even makes the team.

Doctson, Richardson, Crowder, Harris and Quinn have all got a better shot IMO, with the first 3 being locks.

He's definitely in contention for the 6th spot but lets see if he even makes the 53 or gameday 46.[/QUOTE]Agreed but IMO with Robert Davis on IR he's definitely the first contender for that 6th spot, don't think neither Brian Quick nor Cobbs JR have shown anything to be preferred to Sims.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198550]Agreed but IMO with Robert Davis on IR he's definitely the first contender for that 6th spot, don't think neither Brian Quick nor Cobbs JR have shown anything to be preferred to Sims.

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I agree. I was way more excited for R. Davis this year than I am for Sims, but with him heading to IR that 6th spot looks like it would go to Sims. B. Quick has the experience, I just haven't seen/heard anything about him this camp.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1198504][B]He will be starting by week 6.[/B] As many people have pointed out you can teach speed. You also can't teach size and he has a lot of size.[/quote]

No. No he won't.

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I think Simms makes the 53 - there are enough teams out there with WR issues that would love all his really good qualities to grab him off waivers if we tried to stash him on the PS. My bet is that they go with youth over experience and cut Quick.

I suspect, however, that, barring injury, he would not dress for the game day 45.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1198564]I think Simms makes the 53 - there are enough teams out there with WR issues that would love all his really good qualities to grab him off waivers if we tried to stash him on the PS. My bet is that they go with youth over experience and cut Quick.[/quote]

This. I don't think Sims will get to play much this year although, I won't be surprised if Gruden has red zone plays specifically for him. I would expect to see more of him next year or so. It usually takes about 3 years for WR to develop, or at least that's what people say.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1198563]No. No he won't.[/quote]

Right now we have 1. Doctson 2. Richardson and 3 Crowder as starters.

The following are trying to make the team.

Trey Quinn (Rookie), Mo Harris (out with concussion), Brian Quick (will not make the team), Simms: Did I miss anyome?

Doctson has not been practicing due to heal issue.

By week six, Dotson will have played himself into the dog house and Simms will be starting opposite of Richardson.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1198569]Right now we have 1. Doctson 2. Richardson and 3 Crowder as starters.

The following are trying to make the team.

Trey Quinn (Rookie), Mo Harris (out with concussion), Brian Quick (will not make the team), Simms: Did I miss anyome?

Doctson has not been practicing due to heal issue.

By week six, Dotson will have played himself into the dog house and Simms will be starting opposite of Richardson.[/quote]

Sticking to your guns huh?

I disagree but I respect it. That's the fun part of being a fan I suppose. Time will tell.

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Imma double post this cuz of the Sims talk:
[QUOTE]per John Keim -
Among the other players ruled out today by Jay Gruden for Friday’s game: Mo Harris; Brian Quick;[B] Cam Sims.[/B][/QUOTE]
Sims out for injury

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1198582]Imma double post this cuz of the Sims talk:

Sims out for injury[/quote]

Really don't think it changes a lot, he'll make the team IMO... Especially with Quick being out too.

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Redskins sign QB Connor Jessop....they probably do not want one of their top 2 or 3 QBs killed when the #2 and #3 OL play on Thursday

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1198582]Imma double post this cuz of the Sims talk:

Sims out for injury[/quote]

He probably has an injured phantom. His phantom injury will get him placed on IR where he can be developed.

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[URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/26/redskins-resting-starters-part-larger-preseason-de/"]By resting starters, Gruden emphasizes health going into Week 1 [/URL]

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[quote=MTK;1198745][URL="https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/aug/26/redskins-resting-starters-part-larger-preseason-de/"]By resting starters, Gruden emphasizes health going into Week 1 [/URL][/quote]

Cant go wrong here, I'd rather get our ass kicked in a scrimmage than lose starters for week 1

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This heel thing w/ Docston seems like it's going to linger all season long. Reed and Doc get injured it seems doing nothing. Like they go to sleep and wake up with bad feet.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1198785]This heel thing w/ Docston seems like it's going to linger all season long. Reed and Doc get injured it seems doing nothing. Like they go to sleep and wake up with bad feet.[/quote]

When reed watches football he gets a concussion

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1198746]Cant go wrong here, I'd rather get our ass kicked in a scrimmage than lose starters for week 1[/quote]

Agreed... but I sure hope Alex Smith is on synch with his receiving corps on September 9th. Because if he's not, the wooping 12 snaps he played in preseason will seem like too few...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198792]Agreed... but I sure hope Alex Smith is on synch with his receiving corps on September 9th. Because if he's not, the wooping 12 snaps he played in preseason will seem like too few...[/quote]

Would he be better prepared with 20 more snaps? 30 more? Kirk took over 80 last preseason and we still lost in week 1.

All in all I don't think it matters much. They get in plenty of more meaningful work in practice. During the middle of a season nobody is reflecting back on August saying damn, if we only had 10 more preseason snaps we'd be so much better right now.

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[quote=MTK;1198821]Would he be better prepared with 20 more snaps? 30 more? Kirk took over 80 last preseason and we still lost in week 1.

All in all I don't think it matters much. They get in plenty of more meaningful work in practice. During the middle of a season nobody is reflecting back on August saying damn, if we only had 10 more preseason snaps we'd be so much better right now.[/quote]

Alex is is a new QB with new WRs, he needs more game time practice.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1198829]Alex is is a new QB with new WRs, he needs more game time practice.[/QUOTE]


It’s debatable, how meaningful is the work if you’re not playing all of your starters and little to no game planning? The league in general is dialing back on playing starters in the preseason.

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People need to remember, we scrimmage with the jets 3 days straight....that’s a lot of good work.

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[quote=MTK;1198821]Would he be better prepared with 20 more snaps? 30 more? Kirk took over 80 last preseason and we still lost in week 1.

All in all I don't think it matters much. They get in plenty of more meaningful work in practice. [B]During the middle of a season nobody is reflecting back on August saying damn, if we only had 10 more preseason snaps we'd be so much better right now.[/B][/quote]

That bolded part is 100% right... but I'm not worried about the middle of the season, I'm worried about the very beginning of the season: we can't afford to drop the first two games of the season to bad prep, because then the schedule gets brutal.

Now I understand preseason games are not the only preparation they get, and it's not like Alex Smith and his receiving corps were rookies, Alex is not going to be surprised by the speed of the game.

I don't know what solution is better, I just hope they win those first 2 games.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198792]Agreed... but I sure hope Alex Smith is on synch with his receiving corps on September 9th. Because if he's not, the wooping 12 snaps he played in preseason will seem like too few...[/quote]

When you see someone as accomplished as Brady tossing it around with his guys in a pre season game, and then we have a new Qb and all his weapons not doing anything, combined with the slow starts, I'm sorry but it just seems like Gruden has zero urgency. And yeah McVay isn't playing his guys but they made the playoffs last year.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1198839]That bolded part is 100% right... but I'm not worried about the middle of the season, I'm worried about the very beginning of the season: we can't afford to drop the first two games of the season to bad prep, because then the schedule gets brutal.

Now I understand preseason games are not the only preparation they get, and it's not like Alex Smith and his receiving corps were rookies, Alex is not going to be surprised by the speed of the game.

I don't know what solution is better, I just hope they win those first 2 games.[/quote]

To add to this, guys need to get used to hitting and being hit.
Week 1 they are expected to play fullspeed for the first time and they aren't going to last 4 quarters.

Look at the scoring in the second half of week 1 games under Gruden:
2014: 0
2015: 0
2016: 10* In a blowout against a Steelers team that put up 24 points in the second half
2017: 3 in a 14-16 game at the half against Philly

This team is worn out by half time and players are vulnerable to injuries because they aren't physically prepared.

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[quote=jamf;1198845]To add to this, guys need to get used to hitting and being hit.
Week 1 they are expected to play fullspeed for the first time and they aren't going to last 4 quarters.

Look at the scoring in the second half of week 1 games under Gruden:
2014: 0
2015: 0
2016: 10* In a blowout against a Steelers team that put up 24 points in the second half
2017: 3 in a 14-16 game at the half against Philly

This team is worn out by half time and players are vulnerable to injuries because they aren't physically prepared.[/quote]

In this sense Gruden was ahead of his time then, because the rest of the teams are going to less and less starter reps in the preseason. Last week in the dress rehearsal, Dallas didn't play any main offensive stars, not sure about defense. Likewise I saw several other teams rest their starters earlier than expected.

I imagine some statistician out there is running the numbers to compare preseason snaps to 1st game production.

(I think the slow start has always been more about Gruden not gameplanning for it as intensely as the opponents do. I know the Steelers said they were gameplanning our game all offseason. I don't believe Gruden does that - no link no proof just an opinion)

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[quote=skinsfan69;1198841]When you see someone as accomplished as Brady tossing it around with his guys in a pre season game, and then we have a new Qb and all his weapons not doing anything, combined with the slow starts, I'm sorry but it just seems like Gruden has zero urgency. And yeah McVay isn't playing his guys but they made the playoffs last year.[/quote]

It's more than just preseason games.
The Press has said many times that Gruden runs a soft training camp.

At some point you gotta play football right?

Jordan Reed is going to get killed week 1.