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[QUOTE=httr198020;1225696]I understand that. I'm just tired of kissing the ass of overpaid losers. He might be elite at his position. Yet his elite play at his position hasn't gotten us anywhere. I would much rather invest in the future before I pay this dude another dime extra. He agreed to a contract and he should play it out. What type of guy leaves his teammates hanging? I just want this whole thing to be over as soon as possible.[/QUOTE]Save the rah rah crap about letting his team mates down for the kids.

This is professional football. A business.

The Redskins signed a contract with Mason Foster. They cut him a year early, where is your outrage?

Sports contracts are like any other contact.

They simply hold his NFL rights, nothing more nothing less. In business, contracts are breached every day. The Redskins remedy is to withhold his pay, which they will.


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Another severely botched situation by Washington’s front office. Leave it to Bruce and the bozos. Don’t worry, he’s got everything under control....

Kind of sad that the LT position is CRITICAL to our quarterbacks success, especially if we place the rookie back there, but they won’t even spend the money needed to get Donald Penn. They’d rather go EVEN cheaper.

So sick and tired of this team just like the 40+ employees and thousands of fans that have already left.

One circus after the other, and the clown car rolls on with Bruce at the wheel!!!


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Knock next year off the contract, and then add back on 2 years at 15 millionish per season. That would give him 40+ over the next 3 years. That would be my offer.

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Rumor has it Trent WIlliams doesn’t trust Bruce Allen.


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I have a feeling, Trent is going to pull an Antonio Brown/L. Bell on the Redskins. Especially given the timing of these reports about his situation (see Mitch Tischler's tweet about this on today's news from JLC: [url]https://twitter.com/Mitch_Tischler/status/1155529821415518210[/url])

Honestly, I'm getting to the point of having the team moving on from him and plan for his absence this season. Pay Donald Penn, let's see what we can get out of Penn, Robinson, and Christian on the left side.

I'd rather have the team focus on paying Schreff and lock him up.

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The more I hear about this, the more it sounds like Trent is just displeased with the Skins. If that's the case we need to be prepared for him to sit out the year, and we need a better backup plan than Ereck Flowers.

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[quote=mooby;1225755]The more I hear about this, the more it sounds like Trent is just displeased with the Skins. If that's the case we need to be prepared for him to sit out the year, and we need a better backup plan than Ereck Flowers.[/quote]

The backup plan is Geron Christian, who was drafted by the team last year. I would imagine Robinson and potentially Penn, would be his backups.

I am fine with a combination of Christian, Robinson, and Penn as filling the LT void. Not the best option, but this is what the team has to work with.

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[url]https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/1155507926137810946?s=20[/url]

It's over?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1225707]Save the rah rah crap about letting his team mates down for the kids.

This is professional football. A business.

The Redskins signed a contract with Mason Foster. They cut him a year early, where is your outrage?

Sports contracts are like any other contact.

They simply hold his NFL rights, nothing more nothing less. In business, contracts are breached every day. The Redskins remedy is to withhold his pay, which they will.


Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/quote] If it's a business, then he should bring his punk ass to TC. Wouldn't that be the professional thing to do? If he wants more money there is a way of going about that. The way he's going about it is disrespectful to this team and the fanbase.

Fuck Mason Foster! We should have got rid of that bum years ago. He's slow as shit and liability in against the run and the pass.

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[QUOTE=httr198020;1225758]If it's a business, then he should bring his punk ass to TC. Wouldn't that be the professional thing to do? If he wants more money there is a way of going about that. The way he's going about it is disrespectful to this team and the fanbase.



Fuck Mason Foster! We should have got rid of that bum years ago. He's slow as shit and liability in against the run and the pass.[/QUOTE]Why should he come to training camp?

Because it's the right thing to do? To set a good example? To be a good role model to all the little Jimmys?

Why don't you keep whining and saying the same repetitive drivel over and over. That's usually the best way to establish the validity of your position.

I really can't tell if you're a troll or if you're an...

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1225757][url]https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/1155507926137810946?s=20[/url]

It's over?

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Isn't just a rehashing of the first reports from several weeks ago?

Honestly, I still have hope that there's nothing here that money can't fix...

Plus, one thought I have is wouldn't trading TW be a very good way to [U][I]lose an entire locker room in a blink[/I][/U] ?
You often hear how players side with their teammates when they're trying to get paid, how they think "if they act like that with him, how will it be with me?"...
Well what will the locker room feel like if the FO can't find common ground with one of their best players, team leader, veteran and anchor of the offense, multiple times Pro Bowler thought to be one of the very best at his position ?

If there's any way Trent can be back, I think this team has to make a legit push to make it happen, or it could end up being even more painful than "simply" losing an elite LT...

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Why is Bruce Allen’s name on every bad story attached to this team? The piece of human shit just needs to go. It’s well past that time.


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I need to hear it from a better source than JLC that he's done with the team.

If he is done with the team time to sell.

It's pretty embarrassing that this could be how it ends with probably the best player on this team for the last decade.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1225765]I need to hear it from a better source than JLC that he's done with the team.



If he is done with the team time to sell.



It's pretty embarrassing that this could be how it ends with probably the best player on this team for the last decade.[/QUOTE]



Yup. Another botched situation in a loooooooong line of them by this front office. Don’t worry. Bruce Allen knows the “truth”. He’s got it all under control. We’re in good hands with “Bruce and the Bozos”


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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1225761]Why is Bruce Allen’s name on every bad story attached to this team? The piece of human shit just needs to go. It’s well past that time.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Well part of it is the same people who write the negative stories also hate Snyder and Allen so its pretty simple to write a cookie cutter article saying how bad the FO office is.

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So, as of now, TW has said nothing. The only thing he has done, is not show up. Granted the are stories that may or may not come from his camp.

If TW wanted to move on, I see no advantage in staying completely silent. TW himself may not be one to do that, but it would be to his advantage for his agent to come right out and say it. Despite JLC story, there has been no formal trade request. If he only wanted out to DC that would already have happened.

It sounds like he's upset bc the medical staff said he could wait until after the season to address the scalp issue and then he got a real scare. Who knows if anyone is in the wrong here, but either way he got shook. So now he wants some more insurance (in the form of monetary compensation likely). He's a team guy, so rather than start a big controversy and likely get moved from the team, he's just staying quiet in the media, he let his camp leak an inkling of what got him upset, and otherwise is letting his absence talk.

Redskins aren't budging it seems. Which could prove problematic. If they let him stay upset, it could cause conflict between the most respected player in the locker room and the FO. Hopefully they make some gesture that makes him feel heard, because it sounds like that is part of this.

Most likely he'll play come week 1. The question that has me most concerned is will he come back happy or disenfranchised?

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What happened to the big dude hates training camp and feels like he doesn't need it angle? Maybe he is just using this as an excuse to enjoy his air conditioned house and swimming pool a while longer. It may have been 40 years since I played football in High School and College but I will venture a guess the guys in the 300 pound range hate summer practice. Unless something has changed everybody did the same conditioning drills, including sprints, running laps, and the ropes, etc. Of course the big guys were given more time, but they still had to do them.

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Michael Thomas , Zeke , TW, Melvin Gordon.. All absent. It happens everywhere, the only reason it's a big story is because it's the Redskins.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1225774]What happened to the big dude hates training camp and feels like he doesn't need it angle? Maybe he is just using this as an excuse to enjoy his air conditioned house and swimming pool a while longer. It may have been 40 years since I played football in High School and College but I will venture a guess the guys in the 300 pound range hate summer practice. Unless something has changed everybody did the same conditioning drills, including sprints, running laps, and the ropes, etc. Of course the big guys were given more time, but they still had to do them.[/quote]

So what if all of the 0-line felt they don't need camp? Or all the guys that were 300 plus skipped camp? What he's doing imo is total BS. If you have an issue w/ the medical staff then you take it up w/ management. Get your ass out there w/ your teammates.

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He’s home smoking weed.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1225775]Michael Thomas , Zeke , TW, Melvin Gordon.. All absent. It happens everywhere, the only reason it's a big story is because it's the Redskins.[/quote]

It's a big story here. I'm sure those other holdouts are big stories in their respective cities.

Actually the holdouts in general are a big story because many of them area a result of the upcoming bargaining agreement So anyone who doesn't have guaranteed money between now and when the current CBA expires is probably going to hold out to get some insurance money.

That's the financial part of the TW situation that few people talk about (which is what Trent's agent probably wants to happen). TW has no guaranteed money left in his contract and the team can release him with little repercussion. So any guaranteed money would be insurance to him if there is no CBA agreement and players go on strike.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1225778]He’s home smoking weed.[/quote]

Better not be, to hold out then come back and flunk a drug test would not be cool.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1225780]Better not be, to hold out then come back and flunk a drug test would not be cool.[/quote]

A part of me wondered if someone on the medical staff told him to smoke some pot for the cancer, and that started this feud. OBVIOUSLY that is a pure imaginary hypothetical conspiracy theory, but there are only so many ways I can imagine that TW would have gotten this upset about the handling, and referencing his past issues would likely be one...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225786]A part of me wondered if someone on the medical staff told him to smoke some pot for the cancer, and that started this feud. OBVIOUSLY that is a pure imaginary hypothetical conspiracy theory, but there are only so many ways I can imagine that TW would have gotten this upset about the handling, and referencing his past issues would likely be one...[/quote]

I think the only proven benefit of smoking pot if you have cancer is if the cancer or it's treatment has caused a person to lose their appetite.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1225787]I think the only proven benefit of smoking pot if you have cancer is if the cancer or it's treatment has caused a person to lose their appetite.[/QUOTE]Well I thought it reduced pain as well, but certainly dont want Trent losing his appetite.

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I'm very suspicious of reporting around this.

If Trent's relationship with the Redskins was truly fractured, he or his agent would have said so publicly. Such would be their incentive - they would be trying to force a trade or release by any means necessary.

The fact that Trent and his agent have been completely silent makes me believe this is a play for dollars. The word getting out that he's not happy with the medical staff is just an arrow in his quiver to strengthen his negotiating position.

I continue to think he'll definitely be back for week 1, new contract or not.

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[quote=Schneed10;1225789]I'm very suspicious of reporting around this.

If Trent's relationship with the Redskins was truly fractured, he or his agent would have said so publicly. Such would be their incentive - they would be trying to force a trade or release by any means necessary.

The fact that Trent and his agent have been completely silent makes me believe this is a play for dollars. The word getting out that he's not happy with the medical staff is just an arrow in his quiver to strengthen his negotiating position.

I continue to think he'll definitely be back for week 1, new contract or not.[/quote]

The team says that JLC report is false and AD and Moses have both said Trent will be back in their opinions. So we shall see

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No way does he leave all those millions on the table.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1225787]I think the only proven benefit of smoking pot if you have cancer is if the cancer or it's treatment has caused a person to lose their appetite.[/quote]


[quote=CRedskinsRule;1225788]Well I thought it reduced pain as well, but certainly dont want Trent losing his appetite.

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It helps with pain as much as alcohol does, pot and booze are on the same level as far as that is concerned. If you have serious pain by the time you drink it or smoke it away, you are either staggering drunk or heavily stoned and in a catatonic state. Nothing helps serious pain like the opioid pain killers they won't prescribe anymore. I have to say F**K all the drug addicts that made it impossible for people that really need it to get help for pain.

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[quote=WillH;1225772]So, as of now, TW has said nothing. The only thing he has done, is not show up. Granted the are stories that may or may not come from his camp.

If TW wanted to move on, I see no advantage in staying completely silent. TW himself may not be one to do that, but it would be to his advantage for his agent to come right out and say it. Despite JLC story, there has been no formal trade request. If he only wanted out to DC that would already have happened.

It sounds like he's upset bc the medical staff said he could wait until after the season to address the scalp issue and then he got a real scare. Who knows if anyone is in the wrong here, but either way he got shook. So now he wants some more insurance (in the form of monetary compensation likely). He's a team guy, so rather than start a big controversy and likely get moved from the team, he's just staying quiet in the media, he let his camp leak an inkling of what got him upset, and otherwise is letting his absence talk.

Redskins aren't budging it seems. Which could prove problematic. [B]If they let him stay upset, it could cause conflict between the most respected player in the locker room and the FO[/B]. Hopefully they make some gesture that makes him feel heard, because it sounds like that is part of this.

Most likely he'll play come week 1. [B]The question that has me most concerned is will he come back happy or disenfranchised[/B]?

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The bolded parts are what worries me.
As I and others said, I still think it's nothing money can't fix. But I sure hope this is not a conflict that'll parasite the locker room.

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Does anybody know for sure if the growth on trents head was cancer ? I have a friend who is going through exact situation.. he has a significant lump on his scalp and it was seen by doctor several months ago .. he still has not found out if it is cancer or not ( scheduled for biopsy) .. unfortunately it takes time to get an appointment..you would think a serious issue would be quicker to find out.. I hope he turns out to be okay ..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1225801]Does anybody know for sure if the growth on trents head was cancer ? I have a friend who is going through exact situation.. he has a significant lump on his scalp and it was seen by doctor several months ago .. he still has not found out if it is cancer or not ( scheduled for biopsy) .. unfortunately it takes time to get an appointment..you would think a serious issue would be quicker to find out.. I hope he turns out to be okay ..[/QUOTE]From what I heard, his tumor was benign. Best of luck to your friend.

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Donald Penn will definitely be a redskin

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This is about getting more money now. I think that the Redskins are going to have to use top future draft picks for the OL. They've fixed the DL ,now the OL needs help for the future.

The team has $12 mill in cap money available. It may go to getting FA help for the OL.

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Per Ian Rapoport
Veteran offensive tackle Donald Penn is flying to Washington DC today to sign a 1-year deal with the #Redskins tomorrow, sources say. Key veteran help given Trent Williams’ likely lengthy holdout.

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[quote=dej733;1225814]Per Ian Rapoport
Veteran offensive tackle Donald Penn is flying to Washington DC today to sign a 1-year deal with the #Redskins tomorrow, sources say. Key veteran help given Trent Williams’ likely lengthy holdout.[/quote]

This may end up being a game of chicken between Trent and Bruce Allen.

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How much we paid will say a lot. If Penn's making $3M or $4M then it means Bruce thinks Trent truly may not show up, or that he might trade him. If Penn's making closer to $1M then it's just a realization that Christian isn't ready and Flowers isn't a realistic option (no shit Sherlock).

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Either way I'm relieved to see the investment in the depth, no matter what.

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[quote=dej733;1225814]Per Ian Rapoport
Veteran offensive tackle Donald Penn is flying to Washington DC today to sign a 1-year deal with the #Redskins tomorrow, sources say. Key veteran help given Trent Williams’ likely lengthy holdout.[/quote]

Last year he missed 12 games due to injury, the year before 2 games. He is 36 years old, keep your fingers crossed.

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[quote=royhobbs01003;1225804]Donald Penn will definitely be a redskin[/quote]

Nice call.

Donald Penn is a legit Left Tackle who can help out if needed. Now let’s hope a Left guard can emerge as well as Trent can show up.

In a way, I think Bruce is now prepared to see if Trent is willing to miss game checks.