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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243530]Listening to Schiff then reading CNN's article it said what I was feeling - not really impeachment related, but an interesting read.

[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/24/opinions/adam-schiff-is-the-one-helping-putin-destabilize-us-democracy-schiff/index.html"]Adam Schiff is the one helping Vladimir Putin destabilize US democracy[/URL][/quote]

LOL, opinion piece. Putin just mad his puppet is in trouble.

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[quote=Giantone;1243533]LOL, opinion piece. Putin just mad his puppet is in trouble.[/quote]

I know it was an opinion piece, but it rang true to me. Why is Trump in trouble. It's clear that he's going to get acquitted, politically that is just a fact.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1243501]chico won't like this,...............and from FOX!





[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-legal-analyst-says-054019247.html[/url]





Fox News legal analyst says there is 'ample and uncontradicted' evidence that Trump should be removed from office





Reuters



Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano made a forceful case for President Donald Trump's removal from office in an op-ed published Thursday.



Napolitano argued that a president does not have to violate specific laws to be impeached and removed.



Nonetheless, Napolitano said it can be argued that Trump did indeed break specific laws: bribery and contempt of Congress.



He concluded that there is "ample and uncontradicted" evidence to remove trump from office.



The most prominent legal analyst for Fox News, Judge Andrew Napolitano, published an op-ed Thursday arguing that there is "ample" evidence that President Donald Trump should be removed from office.



Napolitano's piece came as the Senate entered day two of opening arguments in Trump's Senate trial following his impeachment by the House of Representatives last month.[/QUOTE]You realize this was an opinion piece also, right?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243534]I know it was an opinion piece, but it rang true to me. Why is Trump in trouble. It's clear that he's going to get acquitted, politically that is just a fact.[/quote]

His dealings are being brought out into the open , yes he will get acquitted but only along political lines ...............make no mistake he is guilty as hell .The American public sees the dog and pony show going on and like they turned on the Republican Congress they will turn on the republican senators. Mueller never exonerated trump the DOJ will never indite a sitting president but all bets are off when he is out of office.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1243536]His dealings are being brought out into the open , yes he will get acquitted but only along political lines ...............make no mistake he is guilty as hell .The American public sees the dog and pony show going on and like they turned on the Republican Congress they will turn on the republican senators.[/QUOTE]We will see. I think it will backfire on incumbents in general, house and senate.

Edit: 23 republican senators and 12 democratic senators are up in 2020, so it will certainly be a tell tale of how the man on the ground felt about all this. The one added factor will be RBGs health and replacement. That is going to draw liberals in droves.

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[quote=Giantone;1243536]His dealings are being brought out into the open , yes he will get acquitted but only along political lines ...............make no mistake he is guilty as hell .The American public sees the dog and pony show going on and like they turned on the Republican Congress they will turn on the republican senators. Mueller never exonerated trump the DOJ will never indite a sitting president but all bets are off when he is out of office.[/quote]

Guilty of what? If he is guilty as hell...why wasn’t he charged of a high crime in the articles of impeachment? This is what I don’t understand and why this looks so stupid...it’s a show all right.

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Schiff's close was clearly a political speech for his base's consumption. The reference to the CBS report was one that every never trumper and liberal will cling to as why republicans voted against witnesses/removal.

Ultimately I think the new Lev Parnas tape actually hammers home that this was a sham from the beginning, it was made in 2018(!!!) and why does the ambassador of Ukraine say dont worry about Trump, according to the audio? Because Trump will be impeached!!

The democrats need to convince their base of how they tried everything to impeach Trump because that is what they have preached from day 1 of Trump's presidency or else they will face their voters apathy in 2020.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243540]Guilty of what? If he is guilty as hell...why wasn’t he charged of a high crime in the articles of impeachment? This is what I don’t understand and why this looks so stupid...it’s a show all right.[/quote]


chico, enough of your phoney outrage .

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243541]Schiff's close was clearly a political speech for his base's consumption. The reference to the CBS report was one that every never trumper and liberal will cling to as why republicans voted against witnesses/removal.

Ultimately I think the new Lev Parnas tape actually hammers home that this was a sham from the beginning, it was made in 2018(!!!) and why does the ambassador of Ukraine say dont worry about Trump, according to the audio? Because Trump will be impeached!!

The democrats need to convince their base of how they tried everything to impeach Trump because that is what they have preached from day 1 of Trump's presidency or else they will face their voters apathy in 2020.

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LOL, they need to convince republicans to grab their balls and do what is right and throw that orange clown out on his ass, yet they won't and they will leave a black stain on this country for decades.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1243544]LOL, they need to convince republicans to grab their balls and do what is right and throw that orange clown out on his ass, yet they won't and they will leave a black stain on this country for decades.[/QUOTE]They didn't reach out to the moderates, at every turn they screamed coverup, treason, head on a pike. They made no attempt to show that witnesses or evidence would create significant change in their argument. They basically spent 23 + hours arguing a 2 hour brief.

They will take all the hyperbole and commercialize it in the hopes it will fire their base up at the election. But their base is where Republicans were not long ago on Obamacare, "we gave you the reins and you couldn't do anything with it".

By the way what is right is allowing the us electorate make the decision on who the president should be, not the whims of parliament.

We are not a European country that randomly throws out their prime minister. We have a structure that is in place to ensure no person has more than 8 years, and transitions are orderly.


Expect this video to be played a few times
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[quote=Chico23231;1243540]Guilty of what? If he is guilty as hell...why wasn’t he charged of a high crime in the articles of impeachment? This is what I don’t understand and why this looks so stupid...it’s a show all right.[/quote]

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/unspoken-charge-doom-trump-lawlessness-130037443.html[/url]


(Bloomberg Opinion) -- For three days, the House managers serving as prosecutors in the Senate impeachment trial of President Donald Trump set out the details of his effort to strong-arm Ukraine into aiding his 2020 re-election, and then argued that those details constitute reason to remove him from office. They made a strong case. Using the power of the presidency to push a foreign power to smear a political opponent is an abuse of that power, a “high crime and misdemeanor” in the constitutional phrase setting forth the standard for removal.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243545]They didn't reach out to the moderates, at every turn they screamed coverup, treason, head on a pike. They made no attempt to show that witnesses or evidence would create significant change in their argument. They basically spent 23 + hours arguing a 2 hour brief.

They will take all the hyperbole and commercialize it in the hopes it will fire their base up at the election. But their base is where Republicans were not long ago on Obamacare, "we gave you the reins and you couldn't do anything with it".

By the way what is right is allowing the us electorate make the decision on who the president should be, not the whims of parliament.

We are not a European country that randomly throws out their prime minister. We have a structure that is in place to ensure no person has more than 8 years, and transitions are orderly.


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You do realize what Biden just did there is not what trump did , right? No where in that video is Biden asking for an investigation into trump is he?

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This is an Opinion Piece that I agree with...........chico and other trumpettes will not.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/washington-post-editorial-board-gop-impeachment-warning-084145936.html[/url]



Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow.

But The Washington Post editorial board has warned that the evidence Democrats have presented in the Senate impeachment trial of Donald Trump over his Ukraine misconduct will eventually catch up to the president and Republican senators “whether they ignore it or not.”

In an editorial published Friday, the board said Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) and his co-House impeachment managers had laid out “the hard evidence” to the GOP-controlled Senate that Trump “used presidential powers to pressure Ukraine into announcing investigations that would aid his reelection campaign, and that he engaged in unprecedented obstruction of Congress’s subsequent investigation.”

“Mr. Schiff pointed out that, whether or not GOP senators demand relevant testimony and documents during the trial, more facts will eventually come out,” it concluded. “Those who choose now to disregard the evidence against Mr. Trump and abet his obstruction will be reduced to watching in the months and years to come as the case against him — and against their abdication of constitutional duty

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SIX FACTS that sink Dems' case:

•Transcript shows no conditionality
•Zelensky: no quid pro quo/pressure
•Ukraine didn't know of aid pause
•No Dem witness testified that POTUS said any conditionality
•Ukraine got aid, did nothing for it
•Trump strengthened Ukraine support

Buh-bye impeachment nonsense

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Has anyone seen the commercial for this Trumpy Bear? The first time I saw it, I thought it had to have been a total spoof. It was the most ridiculous commercial I've ever seen.

[IMG]https://www.asseenontvvideo.com/images/offers/320x240/13737.jpg[/IMG]

Another commercial I saw was a chess set of like Trump/Pence/McConnell vs. like Pelosi/Schumer/Feinstein. Who is buying that? So weird.

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I am just curious how many of you guys that hold Trump guilty have actually read the transcript of the call.

[url]https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf[/url]

I admittedly had not until today, and it struck me that the Ukrainian President sounded on the same page throughout the conversation. Not exactly what I expected, or would expect, from some one who was acting under a form of compulsion. Specifically, he mirrored words and ideas Trump has used in his election. Clearly that serves as flattery which we know Trump responds to. Some examples:
[QUOTE]President Zelenskyy: You· are absolutely right Mr.
Presideht.• We did win big and we worked hard for this. We worked
a lot but I would like to confess to you that I had an
opportunity to learn from you. We used quite a few of your
skills and knowledge and were able to use it as an example to
our elections -and.yes it is-true that these were unique
elections. We were in a·unique situation· that we· were able to achieve a unique success. I'm able to tell you the following;
the first time,\ you· called me to · congratulate .
me .when I won my presidential election, and the second time you are now calling me when my party won the parliamentary election. I think I
should run more often so you can call me more often and we can talk over the phone more often.

The President: [laughter] That's a very good idea. I ·
think your country is very happy about that. [/QUOTE]

Zelenskvy went on to compare the old Ukraine govt to a swamp.

[QUOTE]President Zelenskyy: Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government .. You are a great teacher for us and in that.

The President: Well it's·very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot.of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than.they are. [/QUOTE]

and
[QUOTE]President Zelenskyy: Yes you are·absolutely right. not only 100%, but actually 1000% arid I can tell you the following; I did talk to Angela Merkel and I did meet.with her. I also met and talked with Macron and I told them that they are not doing quite as much as they need to be doing·on the issues with the sanctions. They are not enforcing the sanctions. They are not working as much as they should work for Ukraine. It turns out that even though logically, the European Union should be our biggest· partner but technically the United States is a much bigger partner than.the European Union and I'm very grateful to you for that because the United States is doing quite a lot for Ukraine. [/QUOTE]

There is a lot more, but again what struck me was the back and forth flow, often with Zelensvky taking the lead, and Trump encouraging the discussion.

I just thought the transcript would be far more damning then it was when I read through it, and yes I realize I have a confirmation bias towards supporting Trump.

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From the trump network................

[url]https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/fox-news-poll-delivers-devastating-news-to-trump-on-impeachment/?utm_source=push_notifications[/url]


Fox News poll delivers devastating news to Trump on impeachment


According to a new Fox News poll released on Sunday morning, a clear majority of respondents — beyond the margin of error — believe Donald Trump should be convicted by the U.S. Senate for impeachable crimes and removed from office.

According to the poll, “On impeachment, by a 50-44 percent margin, voters think the Senate should vote to convict Trump and remove him from office. Most Democrats say remove (81 percent) and most Republicans disagree (84 percent). Among independents, more say Trump should be removed by a 19-point margin (53-34 percent).”

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243577]I am just curious how many of you guys that hold Trump guilty have actually read the transcript of the call.

[url]https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf[/url]

I admittedly had not until today, and it struck me that the Ukrainian President sounded on the same page throughout the conversation. Not exactly what I expected, or would expect, from some one who was acting under a form of compulsion. Specifically, he mirrored words and ideas Trump has used in his election. Clearly that serves as flattery which we know Trump responds to. Some examples:


Zelenskvy went on to compare the old Ukraine govt to a swamp.



and


There is a lot more, but again what struck me was the back and forth flow, often with Zelensvky taking the lead, and Trump encouraging the discussion.

I just thought the transcript would be far more damning then it was when I read through it, and yes I realize I have a confirmation bias towards supporting Trump.[/quote]
You're correct the transcript released is not damning at all,...........now find the other one.

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I listened to it read and examined on the Ben Shapiro podcast. then he took it again and compared it to the Vindman’s testimony when that occurred...and the testimony largely lined up with the transcript.

Remember, Trump did not have to release the transcripts, it was well within his right not too.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1243581]You're correct the transcript released is not damning at all,...........now find the other one.[/QUOTE]Lol conspiracies abound. Maybe Schiff should ask the russians to look into it

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1243580]From the trump network................



[url]https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/fox-news-poll-delivers-devastating-news-to-trump-on-impeachment/?utm_source=push_notifications[/url]





Fox News poll delivers devastating news to Trump on impeachment





According to a new Fox News poll released on Sunday morning, a clear majority of respondents — beyond the margin of error — believe Donald Trump should be convicted by the U.S. Senate for impeachable crimes and removed from office.



According to the poll, “On impeachment, by a 50-44 percent margin, voters think the Senate should vote to convict Trump and remove him from office. Most Democrats say remove (81 percent) and most Republicans disagree (84 percent). Among independents, more say Trump should be removed by a 19-point margin (53-34 percent).”[/QUOTE]So you agree Trump should not be removed, since it is not a simple majority decision but requires 2/3s.



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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243577]I am just curious how many of you guys that hold Trump guilty have actually read the transcript of the call.

[url]https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf[/url]

I admittedly had not until today, and it struck me that the Ukrainian President sounded on the same page throughout the conversation. Not exactly what I expected, or would expect, from some one who was acting under a form of compulsion. Specifically, he mirrored words and ideas Trump has used in his election. Clearly that serves as flattery which we know Trump responds to. Some examples:


Zelenskvy went on to compare the old Ukraine govt to a swamp.



and


There is a lot more, but again what struck me was the back and forth flow, often with Zelensvky taking the lead, and Trump encouraging the discussion.

I just thought the transcript would be far more damning then it was when I read through it, and yes I realize I have a confirmation bias towards supporting Trump.[/quote]


I don't want to read the publicly available transcript, I want to read the one that requires top secret security clearance to see it. You know, because a perfectly normal conversation between two world leaders that their entire staff probably needs to be in the loop on should require a top secret clearance.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1243587]I don't want to read the publicly available transcript, I want to read the one that requires top secret security clearance to see it. You know, because a perfectly normal conversation between two world leaders that their entire staff probably needs to be in the loop on should require a top secret clearance.[/QUOTE]My understanding, from an article in The Atlantic on it, is that the difference between the two is likely in the 3 spots ellipses are used. While those 3 spots may show more discussion on investigations, they would not change the overall tone that I am talking about particularly in the lead in portions before any of the ellipses were used. The conversation was cordail and the Ukranian President seemed truly appreciative of the US and Trump in particular.

I know we aren't changing minds and the distrust on both sides of the aisle has left a gaping chasm that makes building that bridge nearly impossible.



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One more question for everyone, suppose the Senate vote is 51 49 for no witnesses, but then 55 45 for removal, in other words the swing votes don't vote in block to add witnesses but then vote to remove knowing that Trump is unremoveable. Finally after acquittal, the senate votes 80-20 on a censure Trump for actions unbecoming a President.

My question is given that hypothetical outcome, would anyone support that as a valid outcome for the facts as they are, including the fact that removal is nearly impossible regardless of the evidence/witness vote.

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Also on witnesses/evidence.

Lets look at what outcomes are possible based on seeing more of both -

1) the evidence actually convinces moderate democrats that the actions didn't rise to removal, final vote 62-38 in favor of acquittal

2) the evidence convinces moderates on both sides, final vote 51-49 in favor of acquittal

3) the evidence convinces more republican moderates. Final vote 55-45 in favor of removal

4) the evidence convinces some other than moderates, but not enough, final vote 65-35 in favor of removal

5) the evidence convinces 20+ senators currently against removal to change, final vote 80-20 for removal

6) the evidence convinces 10+ senators currently against acquittal to change, final vote 80-20 for acquittal.

In scenarios 1-4, which are the most likely to me, the outcome is extended dirt thrown on both sides, lies and half truths + media distortions all the way up to the 2020 election and no value added to our country in any form.

If scenarios 5 or 6, both of which are nearly impossible to see happening, the hardcores on both sides likely would not accept the outcome, but also considering the extended dirt and mud that all parties involved would be dragged through, it seems the outcome doesn't support the costs to our federal system.

So unless you believe there is a smoking gun worthy of destroying this upcoming election cycle it seems to me there is no political calculus that favors subpoenas.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPBruMeW4AAJ1y_.jpg[/IMG]


Replace hunter Biden with don trump jr...and Biden with Trump and now tell me if this is an issue.

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Is it weird that there has been a "significant" leak or newsbreak that benefits the defense each day since Thursday, one for Schiff's closing argument for Friday from CBS, one supposedly about Bolton from NYTimes, Pompeo interview by NPR on Saturday, Lev Parmas video on Friday to ABC.

A cynical citizen might see a trial by innuendo and media smear.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243583]Lol conspiracies abound. Maybe Schiff should ask the russians to look into it

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LOL.................

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-bolton-says-trump-tied-004225755.html[/url]


Report: Bolton says Trump tied Ukraine funds to Biden probe



WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump told his national security adviser he wanted to maintain a freeze on military assistance to Ukraine until it launched political investigations into his Democratic rivals, according to a report in The New York Times on Sunday.

The newspaper said John Bolton's description of his exchange with Trump appears in drafts of his forthcoming book. The revelation challenges the defense offered up by Trump and his attorneys in his Senate impeachment trial and raises the stakes as the chamber decided this week whether to seek sworn testimony from Bolton and other witnesses.

Bolton, who acrimoniously left the White House a day before Trump ultimately released the Ukraine aid on Sept. 11, has already told lawmakers that he is willing to testify, despite the president's order barring aides from cooperating in the probe.

The White House did not respond to a request for comment Sunday night.

Democrats need at least four Republicans to vote with them to seek witness testimony. Those prospects looked unlikely in recent days and it's unclear if the new revelations about Bolton's book will sway any GOP senators.

Democrats quickly sought to ramp up the pressure on their Republican counterparts.

“John Bolton has the evidence,” tweeted Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. “It’s up to four Senate Republicans to ensure that John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney, and the others with direct knowledge of President Trump’s actions testify in the Senate trial.”

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had no immediate comment, according to his office.

The Associated Press has not confirmed the content of Bolton's draft book. A person familiar with the matter told the AP the book had been submitted to the White House for pre-publication review, which is standard for the work of former officials with security clearances. The person insisted on anonymity to discuss the sensitive subject.

The book's publisher, Simon & Schuster, declined to comment.

Sarah Tinsley, an adviser to Bolton, said: “The ambassador's manuscript was transmitted to the White House in hard copy several weeks ago for pre-publication review by the NSC. The ambassador has not passed the draft manuscript to anyone else. Period.”

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243605]Is it weird that there has been a "significant" leak or newsbreak that benefits the defense each day since Thursday, one for Schiff's closing argument for Friday from CBS, one supposedly about Bolton from NYTimes, Pompeo interview by NPR on Saturday, Lev Parmas video on Friday to ABC.

A cynical citizen might see a trial by innuendo and media smear.

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Reminds me of the eight investigations into Hillary that all started the same way.Just like the investigation into Obama's birth certificate.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1243584]So you agree Trump should not be removed, since it is not a simple majority decision but requires 2/3s.



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No , I do think he should go and go to jail . I just know the senate won't do it,Moscow Mitch has them scared.

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[quote=Chico23231;1243602][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPBruMeW4AAJ1y_.jpg[/IMG]


Replace hunter Biden with don trump jr...and Biden with Trump and now tell me if this is an issue.[/quote]

this is the quid pro quo

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[quote=Chico23231;1243602][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPBruMeW4AAJ1y_.jpg[/IMG]


Replace hunter Biden with don trump jr...and Biden with Trump and now tell me if this is an issue.[/quote]

No replace it with Ivanka trump and all her trade agreements with China!

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[quote=Giantone;1243630]No replace it with Ivanka trump and all her trade agreements with China![/quote]

G1 address the timeline. Its shows a poor pattern

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[quote=Chico23231;1243631]G1 address the timeline. Its shows a poor pattern[/quote]

So do your posts.

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One more thought on witnesses. The current spin talk of a fair trial requiring additional evidence/witnesses absolutely turns american justice inside out. The concept of a fair trial is that the STATE has to provide the ACCUSED all the opportunity to show he is innocent. The STATE has to allow the ACCUSED to bring any witnesses that might be exculpatory, to bring valid evidence however tangential that might create resonable doubt. But here in this trial we have the house managers in their role as the STATE's attorney playing the aggrieved party before the public because they can't have certain evidence or witnesses, and at the same time saying the ACCUSED doesn't have the right to bring their witnesses because the STATE feels they aren't relevant.

The logic, regardless of the players, is bass ackwords to the intent of a fair trial in our legal system.



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[quote=Giantone;1243632]So do your posts.[/quote]

Burisma will be the new Hillary Emails...get used to hearing it and get your liberal talking points in defense of a true piece of shit, Hunter Biden

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[quote=Chico23231;1243638]Burisma will be the new Hillary Emails...get used to hearing it and get your liberal talking points in defense of a true piece of shit, Hunter Biden[/quote]

Against my better judgement and in all seriousness, why is Hunter Biden a piece of shit?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1243640]Against my better judgement and in all seriousness, why is Hunter Biden a piece of shit?[/quote]

I’m glad you asked.

[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/hunter-biden-life-scandals-ukraine-involvement-with-trump-giuliani-2019-9#despite-his-personal-affairs-hunter-bidens-biggest-public-troubles-came-from-questions-into-his-business-dealings-8[/url]

Nothing says quality person like divorcing his wife, mother of 3 kids to date his recent dead brothers wife...while also fathering the child of a DC stripper. He of course fought the paternity case.

He was also is into Cocaine and moonlights a crack head.

He got kicked out the navy for testing positive for coke.

Great dad huh?

Most jobs and access were given to him because of his dad.

Burisma...so run by an eastern block Oligarch...was offered a job to sit on board and has admitted he didn’t do shit for the company except be the Vice President son in order to get them out of a major investigation of fraud and corruption where they were having assets frozen.

I would advise you to look into Burisma the company...it crooked AF. They are a natural gas energy company...but not like your typical Exxon...their founder was in the Ukraine government and control access natural gas commodity.

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1243640]Against my better judgement and in all seriousness, why is Hunter Biden a piece of shit?[/quote]

Nepotism? Yes. He got a job with a foreign corporation bc he was VP Biden's son.

Conflict of Interest? Probably. State Dept in 2014 sd there was no conflict bc Hunter was a private citizen.

Corruption? No. Actually the opposite. International community was pushing for this prosecutor to be removed bc he WASNT pursuing corruption against companies like Burisma.

Investigation? had nothing to do with Hunter's position.

[url]https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-biden-ukraine-corruption-trump-1b031c30-3173-4a45-a6a7-2e551759063c.html[/url]
[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-09/on-bidens-and-ukraine-wild-claims-with-little-basis-quicktake[/url]
[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-gas-company-burisma-holdings-joe-bidens-son-hunter-explained-2019-9[/url]
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Politics today is theater of the absurd imo.

Does Hunter and Joe have anything to do with Trumps impeachment? No. Do the republicans know this? Yes. Would the Dems do the same thing? Yes.

Should Trump be censored or technically impeached? Probably. Removed? No.

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[quote=SunnySide;1243659]Nepotism? Yes. He got a job with a foreign corporation bc he was VP Biden's son.

Conflict of Interest? Probably. [B]State Dept in 2014 sd there was no conflict bc Hunter was a private citizen.[/B]
Corruption? No. Actually the opposite. International community was pushing for this prosecutor to be removed bc he WASNT pursuing corruption against companies like Burisma.

Investigation? had nothing to do with Hunter's position.

[url]https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-biden-ukraine-corruption-trump-1b031c30-3173-4a45-a6a7-2e551759063c.html[/url]
[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-09/on-bidens-and-ukraine-wild-claims-with-little-basis-quicktake[/url]
[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-gas-company-burisma-holdings-joe-bidens-son-hunter-explained-2019-9[/url]
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Politics today is theater of the absurd imo.

[B]Does Hunter and Joe have anything to do with Trumps impeachment? No[/B]. Do the republicans know this? Yes. Would the Dems do the same thing? Yes.

Should Trump be censored or technically impeached? Probably. Removed? No.[/quote]

Yes, this whole thing is over a corruption case where the President asked to investigate corruption with the Bidens and Burisma. Hunter Biden is front and center of this entire issue.

You mean the Obama State Department said no corruption because Hunter Biden was on the board? Are you serious with this statement? A politically connected citizen then are not corruption targets...that happens to be a Son within the administration? The state department didn't investigate. Can we at least be honest in our discussion and not completely biased?

Sunnyside, so Don Jr working for an Oligrach within a corrupt nation is just fine? That would be ok...nothing to see?

Look at the timeline of events Ive posted...you are good with that?

Absurd is right.