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[quote=irish;1297886]Interesting read. I didn't realize how old TH is and that Allen is younger.

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/taylor-heinicke-isnt-rookie-he-shouldnt-be-treated-one?cid=sm_npd_rsn_dc_fb_mn&fbclid=IwAR3nF6PwEoMC5x19LXkLFFaRiXIdkG7CQC-20cQGkWx9_O-35TzxXkko70o[/url][/quote]

My bad, I just posted the same article as you..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1297691]Injuries to Samuel and Thomas have killed our passing game tho, even if TH isn't that good, those 2 guys are huge for us especially LT[/quote]

Since when is Samuel Art Monk? lol. He has never even had 1,000 yards. Not saying him not being in there isn't hurting us but we should be able to overcome a wr that has never had a 1,000 yards in his career.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1297915]Since when is Samuel Art Monk? lol. He has never even had 1,000 yards. Not saying him not being in there isn't hurting us but we should be able to overcome a wr that has never had a 1,000 yards in his career.[/quote]

He's not but he would have been used in many different roles. He's like a Corderrel Patterson for us, swiss army knife role.

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Yeah that should have been the last start for 4 today.. He was mostly terrible again

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1298267]Yeah that should have been the last start for 4 today.. He was mostly terrible again[/QUOTE]I find it hard to say he was terrible when the offense executed fairly well. The Redzone was the main issue, and that seemed to be Turner going away from the run once the team hit the 20 yd line.

That said we have no one to turn to in the qb department given the state of the offensive line. Kyle Allen would be a sitting duck back there.

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TH is trash but running all short yardage plays out of the shotgun is bullshit. This team is missing power running from its playbook. TH is getting zero help from his coaches.

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[quote=jamf;1298285]TH is trash but running all short yardage plays out of the shotgun is bullshit. This team is missing power running from its playbook. TH is getting zero help from his coaches.[/quote]

Zero.

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I'm done with this experiment. Time to pull the plug.

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-leaves-door-open-quarterback-change-during-bye-week"]Ron Rivera leaves door open for potential quarterback change[/URL]

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Tough kid, but it’s Kyle Allen time

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There is no reason not to give Kyle Allen a chance. Sure, he might be just as bad or worse. But he might be better. He was playing decent before he got hurt. Give the man a chance.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1298381]There is no reason not to give Kyle Allen a chance. Sure, he might be just as bad or worse. But he might be better. He was playing decent before he got hurt. Give the man a chance.[/quote]

I do not trust your qb evaluation skills - Allen wasn't playing decent last year either. But at least if he's worse than we can just ride out the year to a higher draft pick.

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"I thought I played pretty well. I thought we moved the ball really well," Heinicke said when asked about his assessment of his overall performance. "It's just the same story as last week. We get down the red zone area and for some reason we stall out."

Last week against Green Bay, Washington went without a touchdown in four red zone trips. On Sunday, the group went 0-for-2 in the red zone. And, for the second straight week, Washington's offense outgained its opponent by over 100 total yards, but still managed to finish with fewer points.

"In most of the games, we've moved the ball well. It's not like we're not getting a lot of yards," Heinicke said. "I think we're driving and we're sustaining long drives. Again, it's just when we get to that 35-yard line, to the 20, for whatever reason we just stall out. The name of the game is to score more points than them. It's something we just continue to work on every week and try to get better at."

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Screens and passes to runningbacks out of the backfield tend to dry up in the RZ. Windows get tighter.

Were 3rd lowest in yards through air per completion at 5 yds per. Behind the Lions and Steelers.

It is what it is. I dont think Allen or Heinike are above each other, just different style QBs. Heinike's play is slipping every week and id have to assume it is D coordinators having film and game planning for our predictable offense under Heiknike.

Id at least like to see Kyle Allen to better judge Turners scheme and help evaluate our QB2 for next year. Heinike? Allen? Player to be named later?

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[quote=mooby;1298395]I do not trust your qb evaluation skills - Allen wasn't playing decent last year either. But at least if he's worse than we can just ride out the year to a higher draft pick.[/quote]

Last year:

69% completion %
4 to 1 TD/Int. Ratio
74.5 QBR

[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleKy00.htm[/url]

Limited sample size, but way better than Heinicke this year. And I think that definitely qualifies as decent. Heinicke this year is 41.8.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr[/url]

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I think if they are giving up on the season, they should just keep Heinicke in there. If for some reason they think they're still "alive", then they should go to Allen.

Shit, maybe they'll just go straight to Logan Thomas. Who cares...

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Per CBS SPORTS

The Buffalo Bills and the Washington Football team have been in talks on a possible trade for QB Mitchell Trubisky, per source.

Thoughts?

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1298527]Per CBS SPORTS



The Buffalo Bills and the Washington Football team have been in talks on a possible trade for QB Mitchell Trubisky, per source.



Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Why? He is a backup at best as well. Though I guess it depends on the trade cost.

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I wonder if Ron sees him as a Tannhelli 2.0

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1298527]Per CBS SPORTS

The Buffalo Bills and the Washington Football team have been in talks on a possible trade for QB Mitchell Trubisky, per source.

Thoughts?[/quote]

Hes on a 1 yr 2.5M deal so our motivation would be getting to try him out for the remainder of this season.

Bills I guess feel comfortable with whoever is behind Mitch but if I was them I wouldnt do it. They have SB aspirations, complete team and their success isnt solely dependent on Qb like say Seattle.

Is it a 6th R or so? Then sure.

If its a 4th or lower then its ..

[IMG]https://c.tenor.com/uwowjVEy4t0AAAAd/hell-naw.gif[/IMG]

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The Bills want a RB so I could see Patterson being involved

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1298527]Per CBS SPORTS

The Buffalo Bills and the Washington Football team have been in talks on a possible trade for QB Mitchell Trubisky, per source.

Thoughts?[/quote]

I'm open to that idea although it depends on what we give up.

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MT is just bad, why even waste your time or any asset on that guy.

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Sad fact is Trubisky or Mariota is probably the best we can do outside of the draft. Someone like Matt Ryan... why would he want to close out his career in this shit hole?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1298527]Per CBS SPORTS

The Buffalo Bills and the Washington Football team have been in talks on a possible trade for QB Mitchell Trubisky, per source.

Thoughts?[/quote]

When you got 4 qbs….you don’t

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I'd be fine with trading for M Trubisky for the right price, and if he agreed to a longer term deal. I think he's much better than anyone currently on the roster. The knock on him coming out was mostly about inexperience. After four years in the league as a starter, and one backing up one of the best QBs in the league, it would be worth taking a shot - for me.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1298546]I'd be fine with trading for M Trubisky for the right price, and if he agreed to a longer term deal. I think he's much better than anyone currently on the roster. The knock on him coming out was mostly about inexperience. After four years in the league as a starter, and one backing up one of the best QBs in the league, it would be worth taking a shot - for me.[/quote]

I agree. Worth a shot. I think he would be an upgrade over anything we have on the roster

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1298546]I'd be fine with trading for M Trubisky for the right price, and if he agreed to a longer term deal. I think he's much better than anyone currently on the roster. The knock on him coming out was mostly about inexperience. After four years in the league as a starter, and one backing up one of the best QBs in the league, it would be worth taking a shot - for me.[/quote]

Im torn on the most effective approach to finding a franchise QB.

Do you kick the tires on as many former 1st round bust candidates as possible hoping to find your own serviceable Tannenhill?

Do you draft a QB within the first 3 rounds every year until you get your mid 1st to late 3rd round Rodgers, Wilson, Prescott etc?

Do you target a top 5 overall talent like Burrow and trade the house to get them?

Ideally you just tank and get the first overall pick in a draft with a Burrow in it.

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I don't mind trading for Trubisky, as long as it has zero effect on drafting a QB in 2022.

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[quote=SunnySide;1298552]Im torn on the most effective approach to finding a franchise QB.

Do you kick the tires on as many former 1st round bust candidates as possible hoping to find your own serviceable Tannenhill?

Do you draft a QB within the first 3 rounds every year until you get your mid 1st to late 3rd round Rodgers, Wilson, Prescott etc?

Do you target a top 5 overall talent like Burrow and trade the house to get them?

Ideally you just tank and get the first overall pick in a draft with a Burrow in it.[/quote]

I don't think you are limited to one of those options. You could trade for a guy like Trubisky and still target a QB (and you should) top 5 or somewhere else in the draft.

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Doesn't look like a deal is going to get down unless it happens asap.

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I wouldn't trade for any QB's right now. We are not going anywhere so play it out w/ what you have. Why would Ron trade for a QB now halfway through the season when you are 2-6 soon to be 2-7? He has no idea what he is doing.

When the season is over you need to move on from either Allen or TH. Do not bring back both. Whomever you bring back they're 3rd string. Then you release Fitz cause he is just too old. Then you sign a Tribisky Mariota type since perhaps they will be free to sign w/ anyone. I do not know their contract status. Then you obviously draft a QB in the first round, hopefully Pickett or Corral. Then you sign a guy in the later rounds as a project. So yes I would go into the offseason w/ 4 guys. 2 competing to be the starter, the 1st round rookie and the vet. I would have the later round rookie and Allen or TH compete as the 3rd.

The position has been ignored and poorly managed for too long. That includes Ron and his staff. I have always said you keep 3 and you draft one almost every year. It ain't that hard. You never know when you end up drafting a mid rounder like Cousins, Dak or Mark Rypien. Even a Jay Schroeder cause he was traded for Jim Lachey. Remember Stan Humphries? He ended up being a SB QB for the Chargers but I don't remember what we got for him. Trent Green? He should have been our starter for a long time and I'm not sure he was even drafted.

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Great post 69, Agree with The draft.. I Don't give a shit if you have the 3rd pick and all the experts say no QB... You take QB!

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[quote=MTK;1298374]I'm done with this experiment. Time to pull the plug.

[URL="https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ron-rivera-leaves-door-open-quarterback-change-during-bye-week"]Ron Rivera leaves door open for potential quarterback change[/URL][/quote]

[url]https://riggosrag.com/2021/11/02/washington-football-team-stats-prove-kyle-allen-start-quarterback/[/url]

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1298555]I don't think you are limited to one of those options. You could trade for a guy like Trubisky and still target a QB (and you should) top 5 or somewhere else in the draft.[/quote]

+1

I don't care where the qb is picked - as long as Ron & co are convinced he's the best guy for us.

Trading for Mitch just gives us another short term option while we look for the long term one. Ofc this is all a moot point since now we can't trade for Mitch until the offseason. That's the reality though - we are gonna be looking at other team retreads until we find our next long-term plan in the draft.

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I believe he signed 1 year deal with Bills, so we can go after him in the free agency when it starts if we want him. At this point, we need to try everything we can do to find our QB like someone just explained earlier - free agency, drafts, and undrafted QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1298575]I wouldn't trade for any QB's right now. We are not going anywhere so play it out w/ what you have. Why would Ron trade for a QB now halfway through the season when you are 2-6 soon to be 2-7? He has no idea what he is doing.

When the season is over you need to move on from either Allen or TH. Do not bring back both. Whomever you bring back they're 3rd string. Then you release Fitz cause he is just too old. Then you sign a Tribisky Mariota type since perhaps they will be free to sign w/ anyone. I do not know their contract status. Then you obviously draft a QB in the first round, hopefully Pickett or Corral. Then you sign a guy in the later rounds as a project. So yes I would go into the offseason w/ 4 guys. 2 competing to be the starter, the 1st round rookie and the vet. I would have the later round rookie and Allen or TH compete as the 3rd.

The position has been ignored and poorly managed for too long. That includes Ron and his staff. I have always said you keep 3 and you draft one almost every year. It ain't that hard. You never know when you end up drafting a mid rounder like Cousins, Dak or Mark Rypien. Even a Jay Schroeder cause he was traded for Jim Lachey. Remember Stan Humphries? He ended up being a SB QB for the Chargers but I don't remember what we got for him. Trent Green? He should have been our starter for a long time and I'm not sure he was even drafted.[/quote]

Great post. Keep chopping at the QB tree every year until an apple falls out.

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QB is obviously a super high priority but the spray and pray approach isn't ideal. Target a guy you think can be the guy here for the next 10 years and go get him, whether it's the draft or trade or whatever. This idea of loading up on QB's and letting them "compete" doesn't usually work out very well. Practice time is limited as it is. You need to focus in on someone.

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[quote=MTK;1298723]QB is obviously a super high priority but the spray and pray approach isn't ideal. Target a guy you think can be the guy here for the next 10 years and go get him, whether it's the draft or trade or whatever. This idea of loading up on QB's and letting them "compete" doesn't usually work out very well. Practice time is limited as it is. You need to focus in on someone.[/quote]

Agree spray and pray isn't the way. But I think it's got to be a case of when the 2022 draft rolls around (besides prying AR away from GB I can't see any vet that's likely available/willing that's worth pursuing in FA or trade), we need to decide if QB is #1 priority over all else. If so, then trade down to where we can safely pick up the best QB available and stock up picks as much as we can for 2023. Else, go BPA with EVERY pick, and if that happens to be a QB so be it. Anything but reach for a QB again like DH.

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[quote=MTK;1298723]QB is obviously a super high priority but the spray and pray approach isn't ideal. Target a guy you think can be the guy here for the next 10 years and go get him, whether it's the draft or trade or whatever. This idea of loading up on QB's and letting them "compete" doesn't usually work out very well. Practice time is limited as it is. You need to focus in on someone.[/quote]

Yeah I say take Matt Corral in the top 7 or 10 whatever we will be and develop him the right way.

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I would target the best Veteran QB I can get my hands on for ST's system via free agency as soon as the clock turns to 4pm EST on March 16th, then draft the best QB I can get my hands on for ST's system. Overpay for both if you have to...

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"I wouldn't even be mildly surprised if Mitch [Trubisky]... is part of the plans for next year"
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Seems like interest in Trubisky is legit; Washington just didn't pull the trigger this year before the deadline