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It's a short flight to SC I will arrive in a #14 promptly for the glitties.

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[quote=Meks;1348463]It's a short flight to SC I will arrive in a #14 promptly for the glitties.[/quote]

The more the merrier. C'mon down. Might have to sleep on the couch though lol.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1348464]The more the merrier. C'mon down. Might have to sleep on the couch though lol.[/quote]

Lmao I've woken up worse places that I can remember haha

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[quote=jamf;1348295]Howell starts the game playing like shit but it’s on the D for putting him in a hole?

Howell supporters need to officially come out of the closet with how hard you guys ride his dick.
Just admit you love his beard. Reminds you of the time you loved George Michael in Wham.[/quote]

George Michael's solo album Faith was my senior year of HS. Played that cassette tape to death. Good times in 1987.

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USC QB really struggling against ND …. he is projected as the Number one pick in 2024?

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I agree

[url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/14/nfl-analyst-ranks-washington-commanders-sam-howell-at-the-top-of-all-1st-and-2nd-year-quarterbacks/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3_X-rh3i2lZNA0eYdDV1hqtBTzDtPoFX0j8PJT6048eJNwZZECSt2bOhw_aem_Aei05dhzlyGq0wZ1IfMvYle64oCHum6PJGj-b74W5cJcQyEOmr21Jcwbe5xJWxMnvu0&mibextid=Zxz2cZ#lnszldnoah0ix08wlm[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1349022]I agree

[url]https://commanderswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/14/nfl-analyst-ranks-washington-commanders-sam-howell-at-the-top-of-all-1st-and-2nd-year-quarterbacks/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3_X-rh3i2lZNA0eYdDV1hqtBTzDtPoFX0j8PJT6048eJNwZZECSt2bOhw_aem_Aei05dhzlyGq0wZ1IfMvYle64oCHum6PJGj-b74W5cJcQyEOmr21Jcwbe5xJWxMnvu0&mibextid=Zxz2cZ#lnszldnoah0ix08wlm[/url][/quote]

All that tells me is its been two years of week QB draft classes.

I trade Sam H for CJ in a heart beat.

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[quote=mredskins;1349024]All that tells me is its been two years of week QB draft classes.

I trade Sam H for CJ in a heart beat.[/quote]

Time will tell who the better QB will be, I put my money on Sam.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1349035]Time will tell who the better QB will be, [B]I put my money on Sam[/B].[/quote]

Are you pulling that money out of your homer Commanders Wallet?

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[quote=mredskins;1349037]Are you pulling that money out of your homer Commanders Wallet?[/quote]

I’ve seen enough of Sam to know he’s our future franchise QB. Yeah, he has an issue holding the ball, however he gets the job done. Like I said, time will tell.

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@Wash_PR
QB Sam Howell has thrown for 1,602 yards in his career, the most by a Washington quarterback through seven career games in franchise history.

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He's on pace for 4,250 this year which would be the 2nd highest single season total in team history

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[quote=MTK;1349042]He's on pace for 4,250 this year which would be the 2nd highest single season total in team history[/quote]

He is also on pace to be the all time leading sacked leader (96 sacks) beating the record held by David Carr (76) by 20 sacks.

It also helps your yards passing number when you keep getting your ass sacked and your team is constantly behind so you have to throw the damn ball 50x and if you are down big then teams are easily going prevent D making it easier to pass short and mid range crap until you are in the Red Zone, see Bears game.

IMHO, I think Sam will be a quality starter in this league for a handful of years but he is not the next super star by any means or a QB that can carry a team on his own to a SB.

If we are staying on the Sam train we need to boost the O-line, maybe find a more explosive back and he needs a go to super star TE.

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Sam is still only 23 and hasn't had a full season. He is taking some lumps with the sacks but this is something he can no doubt improve on.

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The fact that he is posting those numbers with the amount of sacks he is getting is even more telling … not all those sacks are on him .. we got only two Recievers (Terry and Curtis) that seem to get separation and really no big time TE … no running game that scares anybody.. so those numbers are pretty dang impressive.. imagine Sam behind a good OL with a top TE and a running game … he easy would be top 10 !

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[quote=rocnrik;1349050]The fact that he is posting those numbers with the amount of sacks he is getting is even more telling … not all those sacks are on him .. we got only two Recievers (Terry and Curtis) that seem to get separation and really no big time TE … no running game that scares anybody.. so those numbers are pretty dang impressive.. imagine Sam behind a good OL with a top TE and a running game … he easy would be top 10 ![/quote]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1349053][URL="https://youtu.be/rAn-AWXtHv0?si=ektj9euoxfku3jIA"]https://youtu.be/rAn-AWXtHv0?si=ektj9euoxfku3jIA[/URL][/quote]

seriously i swear half the people on here are such dreamers; when the hot girl in high school made accidently eye contact with them they thought they were going be prom dates


i say sam howells ceiling is a andy dalton clone

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[quote=mredskins;1349055]i say sam howells ceiling is a andy dalton clone[/quote]

Dude, please!! Safe yourself the embarrassment when you eat crow.

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[quote=mredskins;1349055]seriously i swear half the people on here are such dreamers; when the hot girl in high school made accidently eye contact with them they thought they were going be prom dates


i say sam howells ceiling is a andy dalton clone[/quote]

You know if we make the playoffs 5 years in a row and win two division titles I’ll take it. That is leaps and bounds what we’ve done.

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Some of you are secret Dallas fans trolling here and spreading your propaganda against Sam ..😀😀… NEWS FLASH!!!! The QB that YOU think will be the man probably won’t .. so instead of living in a fantasy land I’ll take the QB we landed in the late round that right now would be a first rounder or at worst 2cnd … SO keep on telling us Sam ain’t the one .. by the way your Boys are getting ready to play the chargers …

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[quote=mredskins;1349055]seriously i swear half the people on here are such dreamers; when the hot girl in high school made accidently eye contact with them they thought they were going be prom dates


i say sam howells ceiling is a andy dalton clone[/quote]

Mredskins you are such a fuckin dickhead

Let us fuckin enjoy this for a second.

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[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player[/url]

Howell stats very solid among other QBs

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“With 109 yards through the air in the first half on Sunday, Howell became the passing yards leader in franchise history for the Commanders through seven starts, the team announced. “

4-3 as a starter on a team whose defense has underperformed for most of those starts and an absolutely sub par oline.

Id definitely go to the prom with that mother fucker.

This team has mad holes
TE
Run game
Oline
LB
HC
DC
Our rookie quarterback (7 games, 6 with an actual offseason as the number 1) is definitely on the list of positives. It is mind numbing after decades of piss poor revolving door quarterback play that Sam is not a breath of fresh air to some people.

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[quote=mredskins;1349055]seriously i swear half the people on here are such dreamers; when the hot girl in high school made accidently eye contact with them they thought they were going be prom dates


i say sam howells ceiling is a andy dalton clone[/quote]

Maybe some, but winners, winners go home and fuck the prom queen.

Sam: Carla was the prom queen.

Give the kid time ya Debbie downer.. and please... give em more time than our o line does

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[quote=Chico23231;1349066][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player[/url]

Howell stats very solid among other QBs[/quote]

But he sucks!! Those are fake numbers!! Carson Wentz is hands down a better QB, blah, blah, fucking blah!!!

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The stats won't ever matter til we have a real team and real leadership that isn't still coaching a team in the early 2000s.

Praying for that for next year and keeping Sam to see what he and this team can be capable with some nice additions and a better staff. The wins are all that matters but even commenting on his "ceiling" is just baseless chatter of a disgruntled fan. Can't blame the frustration but will blame the finger pointing b/c it's in the wrong direction and way premature, like those prom plans that he prolly spent a week planning only to get shut down. Like I said, disgruntled 🤷

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[quote=Meks;1349076]The stats won't ever matter til we have a real team and real leadership that isn't still coaching a team in the early 2000s.

Praying for that for next year and keeping Sam to see what he and this team can be capable with some nice additions and a better staff. The wins are all that matters but even commenting on his "ceiling" is just baseless chatter of a disgruntled fan. Can't blame the frustration but will blame the finger pointing b/c it's in the wrong direction and way premature, like those prom plans that he prolly spent a week planning only to get shut down. Like I said, disgruntled 🤷[/quote]

You are throwing in the towel for this year? How about a little faith? This isn’t the 0-6 panthers.

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Nah I don't quit until it's mathematical man lol, think you're just missing or I wasn't clear enough in the way of this being directed at the previous Andy dalton ceiling comment. Less to do with this season but also including some thoughts on it.

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I just hope Sam survives. Way too many sacks. There have been some good QBs who were drilled too often and never really recovered and had good careers or whose promising careers were cut short.


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I'm not wearing rose tinted glasses when I say this; for the first time in years, early season form suggests QB is not our biggest problem. Hell, it might not be a problem at all. We have so many bigger problems, starting and almost ending with the coaching staff. OL, LB and TE are next. If those had been fixed in the offseason we might be as good as 5-1, if they get fixed this offseason we could be division favourites next year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1349066][url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player[/url]

Howell stats very solid among other QBs[/quote]

The filter on that web page was set to total yards , which again is skewed by the CHI game , when the Bears sat in prevent and Sam throw nearly 400 meaningless yards in a blow out.

Click QBR he is ranked 20th which is probably about right , he is the 20th best QB out of 32.

He is not bad but he is not anything special either to this point.

Remember next year most likely a whole new coaching. Is that coaching staff really going to want to hook their wagon to SH?


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[quote=Chico23231;1349065]Mredskins you are such a fuckin dickhead

Let us fuckin enjoy this for a second.[/quote]

I don’t resort to name calling on here but fine sorry if a difference in opinion makes me a fucking dickhead.

When a debate is lost , slander is the tool of the loser

I am not sure what everyone is enjoying ? You have the 20th best QB by ESPN QBR rating system out of 32.

Sorry I am not heading down to the Sam Howell celebration parade on Pennsylvania Ave to celebrate his 20th place ranking.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1349098]
I am not sure what everyone is enjoying ? You have the 20th best QB by ESPN QBR rating system out of 32.
[/QUOTE]

Where do we rank on play calling? Where on TE route running? Where on OL protection? Where on game preparation by the HC?

Just curious.


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[QUOTE=mredskins;1349098]I don’t resort to name calling on here but fine sorry if a difference in opinion makes me a fucking dickhead.

When a debate is lost , slander is the tool of the loser

I am not sure what everyone is enjoying ? You have the 20th best QB by ESPN QBR rating system out of 32.

Sorry I am not heading down to the Sam Howell celebration parade on Pennsylvania Ave to celebrate his 20th place ranking.[/QUOTE]


It is his 7th game. Do you think there is a chance that in year two or three he could be top 10 like he is in completion percentage or yards? Or are those ratings by espn meaningless?

Take a look at the roughly 30 different starting quarterbacks we have trotted out there over the last 20 years and see where they ranked in those categories over their first 7 games. You will feel better.

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[quote=mredskins;1349098]I don’t resort to name calling on here but fine sorry if a difference in opinion makes me a fucking dickhead.

When a debate is lost , slander is the tool of the loser

I am not sure what everyone is enjoying ? You have the 20th best QB by ESPN QBR rating system out of 32.

Sorry I am not heading down to the Sam Howell celebration parade on Pennsylvania Ave to celebrate his 20th place ranking.[/quote]

I was typing that tongue in cheek while laughing at your “piss in everyone bowl of cornflakes” post. The red rifle? Seriously?

While QBR is a good metric, his passer rating is solid. His yards per attempt, tds are strong.

Also, his run threat and off script abilities are in-line with todays QB prototype which meets the needs when facing a more athletic, faster defenses. This isn’t Andy Dalton standing tall in the pocket.

He passes the eye test and I think EB offense is a fit for him.

Let him grow and please get Oline in the offseason

Don’t get mad when I call out some trolling and hatin

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Sam has plenty to like but the one thing he really needs to learn is an incomplete pass is much better than a sack. One of these days he will get injured off a sack and then he will learn the best ability is availability.

I like the kid but he's gotta work on those weaknesses. 3rd and 10 is much better than 3rd and 17.

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[quote=HTTR;1349099]Where do we rank on play calling? Where on TE route running? Where on OL protection? Where on game preparation by the HC?

Just curious.


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Exactly! I don't know what metric to use to determine he is going be great.

At this point i say he has the opportunity to be a serviceable QB1 in this league. Now for him to get too say the impact starter level he needs to be faster on his reads and not take as many sacks.

We have just been so statured with poor QB play over the last few decades that the first guy to complete a screen pass and we think we have Joe Montana II.


To put in perspective I was way more excited about RGIII going into week 7 of his rookie year then i am of SH going into his week 7 of his "rookie" year.

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[quote=punch it in;1349100]It is his 7th game. [B]Do you think there is a chance that in year two or three he could be top 10 like he is in completion percentage or yards?[/B] Or are those ratings by espn meaningless?

[I]Take a look at the roughly 30 different starting quarterbacks we have trotted out there over the last 20 years and see where they ranked in those categories over their first 7 games. You will feel better[/I].[/quote]

Absolutely he could be or he could be out of the league as well, nothing right now tells me he is going be amazing but i do feel he is serviceable as of right now, my opinion

I hope he becomes a HoF QB and we win some SBs, I am just saying as of RIGHT now i don't see it but i do believe he has the potential to be a serviceable QB1 for years to come.

Why would I go back and look at that? That be equal to saying "hey remember when we were broke now we have $10!" still doesn't cover our bills though but yeah we got $10 better then broke, that is SH at this point $10

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1349104]Absolutely he could be or he could be out of the league as well, nothing right now tells me he is going be amazing but i do feel he is serviceable as of right now, my opinion

I hope he becomes a HoF QB and we win some SBs, I am just saying as of RIGHT now i don't see it but i do believe he has the potential to be a serviceable QB1 for years to come.

Why would I go back and look at that? That be equal to saying "hey remember when we were broke now we have $10!" still doesn't cover our bills though but yeah we got $10 better then broke, that is SH at this point $10[/QUOTE]


Top 10 in yards and completion percentage, and the all time yardage leader after 7 games of any Washington quarterback ever just doesn’t scream serviceable to me. Nothing is certain M, and yes he could be a HOF’er or a bust. But if we are speculating based on someones first 7 games I am going to lean towards optimism not pessimism based on those things.
Didn’t actually expect you to go look at the list of prior quarterbacks. You don’t have to. You know the quarterback situation here has been nothing short of lackluster since Joey T! Cousins but we fucked that up. Lol. I am just surprised that we took a guy in round 5 who is flashing the way he is and you seem upset with our quarterback situation. Not sure what you need to see other than a guy with arm strength, accuracy, toughness, poise, and mobility after 7 games? He holds the ball too long. Ok. That isn’t a physical trait that cannot be fixed like a noodle arm, or a guy who cannot move.

Sam Howell is the equivalent of a ten dollar bill? Wow.

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[quote=punch it in;1349106]Top 10 in yards and completion percentage, and the all time yardage leader after 7 games of any Washington quarterback ever just doesn’t scream serviceable to me. Nothing is certain M, and yes he could be a HOF’er or a bust. But if we are speculating based on someones first 7 games I am going to lean towards optimism not pessimism based on those things.
Didn’t actually expect you to go look at the list of prior quarterbacks. You don’t have to. You know the quarterback situation here has been nothing short of lackluster since Joey T! Cousins but we fucked that up. Lol. I am just surprised that we took a guy in round 5 who is flashing the way he is and you seem upset with our quarterback situation. Not sure what you need to see other than a guy with arm strength, accuracy, toughness, poise, and mobility after 7 games? He holds the ball too long. Ok. That isn’t a physical trait that cannot be fixed like a noodle arm, or a guy who cannot move.

Sam Howell is the equivalent of a ten dollar bill? Wow.[/quote]

Great Read from a non biased source:

[url]https://theathletic.com/4968731/2023/10/17/sam-howell-sacks-commanders-offensive-line/[/url]

When the day is done in order for SH to become better then serviceable he has got solve this sack/progression issue that has plagued him since NC, everyone can call me a fucking dickhead or get their panties in a bunch over him being a $10 bill but until he fixes this issue he is a serviceable not great QB1.

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