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[quote=GusFrerotte;684463]Best post on this was the poster(forget who it was) told it was like it is. AH is a lazy slacker, and simply doesn't fit into a 3-4 scheme. Why we gave the guy suck a crazy contract still boggles my mind. Our team was not going to improve significantly with AH on board since the offense was the weakest link. Shoot the Bruce Smith acquisition was better than this.[/quote]

Both AH and Smith had productive years for us. They were grand slams compared to Lloyd, Archuletta and Duckett.

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[quote=Mechanix544;684603]Sorry, quoted the wrong one. I meant to put the one that says we will go downhill on D if he leaves......cant find it tho.

Nah, I disagree. Our defense was fine without A.H., and we didn't have orakpo then either. Our defense will be fine without him, decided we go that route. I wish he would get serious and commit and get hyped about going to the superbowl with this new look squad. He could really take steps to become a locker room leader, but he doesn't. He keeps to himself and doesn't take part in what amounts to team building exercises, like the off season workouts and meetings. He should be the defensive player IN CHARGE, a captain on the other side of the ball. I dont get him. The opportunity is right in front of him, yet he remains standoffish and quiet. He is richer than 99.9% of the world, and famous at the same time. so what gives? Be a leader, give your all, and he could do great things, and get the ppl around him to do great things. I mean, look what he helped Carter and Orakpo and the rest of our defense do in a year where he played very much below his potential. He has the potential to be the best damn DLineman ever to play the game.

I hope he gets his act strait and starts becoming the leader he should be. He has all the strength and potential in the world, and he should use that to get to the big time, the super bowl. Use this season to prove everyone wrong that says the trade was a bust, and he is overpaid.

Part of becoming a team leader also entails that you cannot be anti-social either Albert.[/quote]

He never displayed leadership qualities in Tennessee, why would he change? Because we paid him 40 mil guaranteed? Just because you pay someone a lot of money, they aren't going to magically become someone else. In fact, when generational money is involved, their bad habits are most likely going to be magnified.

Why is he a bust? He was a 4-3 defensive tackle who dominated the point of attack and played over 70% of the plays (Wilfork played a lot less and Ratliff played the exact same %).

Was "become a team leader" a line item in his contract? Did we have a line item that said we were going to allow our underqualified idiot head coach to run us into the ground and then move to a 3-4 in 2010?

If you think that offering someone 40 million will automatically make them pick up leadership qualities, I think the problem is with you not them.

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It would be nice to have some stability around here and know what kind of offense/defense we're going to be running for longer than a year before signing these FA's. AH was paid a lot of money but I doubt he was told he'd be asked to play a different position a year after he signed.

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[quote=Mechanix544;684603]Sorry, quoted the wrong one. I meant to put the one that says we will go downhill on D if he leaves......cant find it tho.

Nah, I disagree. Our defense was fine without A.H., and we didn't have orakpo then either. Our defense will be fine without him, decided we go that route. I wish he would get serious and commit and get hyped about going to the superbowl with this new look squad. He could really take steps to become a locker room leader, but he doesn't. He keeps to himself and doesn't take part in what amounts to team building exercises, like the off season workouts and meetings. He should be the defensive player IN CHARGE, a captain on the other side of the ball. I dont get him. The opportunity is right in front of him, yet he remains standoffish and quiet. He is richer than 99.9% of the world, and famous at the same time. so what gives? Be a leader, give your all, and he could do great things, and get the ppl around him to do great things. I mean, look what he helped Carter and Orakpo and the rest of our defense do in a year where he played very much below his potential. He has the potential to be the best damn DLineman ever to play the game.

I hope he gets his act strait and starts becoming the leader he should be. He has all the strength and potential in the world, and he should use that to get to the big time, the super bowl. Use this season to prove everyone wrong that says the trade was a bust, and he is overpaid.

Part of becoming a team leader also entails that you cannot be anti-social either Albert.[/quote]

[quote=JoeRedskin;684611]Wait!!! How can he be a top 10/Pro Bowl [DT] unless he shows fire and determination?!? If he's not shouting and passionate he can't be a real leader.[/quote]

When AH is on the field (and he played more snaps then any of the other DLine) he is a force. I don't care if he is the defensive leader, just that he is helping to put McN.. err Kolb, Manning, and Romo on the ground.

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AH made our short yardage defense positively ferocious.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;684496]

You've got to be joking, when we got AH we were a 4-3. AH will be a beast in the 3-4 at RDE.[/quote]


Totally agree, and to he honest, I see the potential in it, but I think it is completely STUPID to be converting to the 3-4. ESPECIALLY right now. WHY??????? We dont even remotely have the personnel to run this f------ defense.


Our defense is totally fine right now. Its actually been fine for the last few years. It has not been perfect, but there is absolutely no need to switch over. Especially in a year with a new regime, and where we need to completely focus on offense.

Now we got our best DL man (one of the absolute best if not the BEST DT in the league) disgruntled, because part of the reason he signed here was because we told him we'd run the 4-3 and use him in a way that would benefit him most.

Our D just needed to be tweaked. More aggressiveness added, add a few LBs so that Orakpo could strictly play DE, occasionally move to the LB spot to add some different looks. Take away the 30 yard CB cushion we was giving up. We were straight.

We did not need to do a complete overhaul on the defense we were running. I HATE that we are converting to this dam defense. We gonna f--- up the little bit of chemistry we had developed on a flurishing defense.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684668]Both AH and Smith had productive years for us. They were grand slams compared to Lloyd, Archuletta and Duckett.[/quote]

Tennessee got much better play from him for much less money. It's why going after the most expensive free agent rarely works out. You're almost always paying more for less.

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[quote=44Deezel;684705]Tennessee got much better play from him for much less money. It's why going after the most expensive free agent rarely works out. You're almost always paying more for less.[/quote]
Or you could say that Tenn got a great value and was able to underpay him.

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[quote=44Deezel;684705]Tennessee got much better play from him for much less money. It's why going after the most expensive free agent rarely works out. You're almost always paying more for less.[/quote]


Bull......AH played his ass off for us, our defense was INSTANTLY better from the very snap that he took with us. If we werent converting over to this stupid ass defense, we'd see even more of what that dude could do our defense.

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[quote=REDSKINZ-RIDEORDIE;684707]Bull......AH played his ass off for us, our defense was INSTANTLY better from the very snap that he took with us. If we werent converting over to this stupid ass defense, we'd see even more of what that dude could do our defense.[/quote]


If they dump Godzilla, it is because he pissed Shanny off with the workout "talk" and the Mastermind has chosen to make an example of him, it wasn't because of production.

I just hope that they can work this out. I really think that this guy makes our team better. A lot better than the 2nd 3rd or 4th round pick that we would get for him.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;684715]If they dump Godzilla, it is because he pissed Shanny off with the workout "talk" and the Mastermind has chosen to make an example of him, it wasn't because of production.

I just hope that they can work this out. I really think that this guy makes our team better. A lot better than the 2nd 3rd or 4th round pick that we would get for him.[/quote]

Everyone seems to forget that apparently Shanny was dangling Landry as a trade bait. It seems that the media finds it easier to target Haynesworth.

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One thing is for sure with this new regime, if it's a rumor, then it means it's true. I wouldn't be surprised to see Landry, Haynesworth, Carter, Rogers, campbell all gone.

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[QUOTE]One thing is for sure with this new regime, if it's a rumor, then it means it's true. I wouldn't be surprised to see Landry, Haynesworth, Carter, Rogers, campbell all gone.[/QUOTE]
i dont know, remember all the rumors leading up to free agency? we were in the mix for everyone, but ended up, happily, not going overboard. the media's job seems to be throw out as much speculative reports as possible, some of them will have to be true. that said, i agree landry and rogers are likely to be traded

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;684720]One thing is for sure with this new regime, if it's a rumor, then it means it's true. I wouldn't be surprised to see Landry, Haynesworth, Carter, Rogers, campbell all gone.[/quote]

Agreed. I feel that Shanahan and Allen are being all business about this and are willing to part ways (for compensation) with any player from the previous regime they deem expendable. Personally, I don't feel our FO would get rid of a player for the petty excuse that they didn't show up to "voluntary" workouts or any crap like that. The more reason why I find this whole Haynesworth "drama" to be ridiculous.

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