Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

lol... love the optimism!

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

I was thinking, San Diego needs a SS, so we could throw in a player like a horton or doughty along with Malcolm and a pick for Vincent Jackson.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

[quote=ethat001;710051]We could wait until next year, but:
(1) If the rumors are correct, some other team may pick him up this year first.
(2) There would be more teams interested next year (?) since he wouldn't be facing the 4 game suspension he is now.
(3) If the CBA is renegotiated, then SD can effectively renegotiate his contract themselves. Right now they're scared of the uncertainty next year.
(4) [B]Not sure, but we may be able to give him a fat signing bonus in this uncapped year [/B]that we may not be able to later.
(5) He'd be one year older @ 28yrs.
(6) We're going to need him for the Super Bowl this year.


[personally i say we don't go for it. i don't care about snyder's money but draft picks are invaluable to a franchise and are always undervalued].[/quote]


That dosen't work we did it for #ss *ole (can't even bring myself to type his initials) & look were that got us.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;710075]That dosen't work we did it for #ss *ole (can't even bring myself to type his initials) & look were that got us.[/quote]

Also how much we can give him up front depends on how much he got paid last year.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

Giving anyone a ton of upfront money is not the smartest move by any franchise right now. We of all teams know this first hand. Unless you are talking about a player who is worht the cash. IE McNabb or some of our current roster.

I think the FO is taking a wait and see approach with guys like Rocky and Carlos. If these guys perform well in the new 3-4 alignment I would think we would extend them past this year. Same goes for a guy like Brown.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

[quote=skinsnut;710041]Is there any link or has anyone else heard the rumors that McNabb is working out with Vincent Jackson in Arizona?
And if so...are there any sources that indicate that this is anything more than due diligence on the part of the Skins?[/quote]
Sam Wyche reported it on NFL Network yesterday.

Nothing to read into though. Just 2 football players tossing the ball around. This happens all over the league every day of the week.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

I just watched multiple segments on nfl.com about the vincent jackson's trade. Apparently he wants more money than brandon marshall, and the trade market should be about the same with 2 2nd round picks for him. This is something I do not understand, Marshall is FAR superior to Jackson, not IMO, fact.
All the numbers support it, over the last 3 years, brandon marshall has averaged about 300 more yards per season, about 50 more receptions! and has about 1.5 more tds per season. That is all considering that Marshall has less years in the league, played in less games over those three season, started even less, is NOT being suspended 4 games, and had the poop king kyle orton throwing to him last year instead of the elite phillip rivers.
I'd honestly put him at a 2nd rounder period for trade value considering in his 5 nfl years has had 1 truly good year with an elite qb throwing to him, and a genius offensive coordinator as a head coach. And it wasn't even [U]that[/U] good a year.
Please someone explain to me why jackson should be traded for the same and get more money instead of significantly less money and significantly less value

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Sorry for the double post, but I also wanted to say something else about this trade scenario. If we get Jackson, and Haynsworth makes amends with the team (and we stay injury free), I think we have a legitimate shot at being contenders. Our biggest weakness right now is WR, considering we have inadequate talent at the top, and poor depth, we have no other position where both these things are true. Jackson would help us out immensely which makes me want him, but also scares me because I feel like our desperate need for him to contend will make us overpay for him in draft picks and in salary cap space. If the move doesnt boost us into contenders, it will all significantly hinder us for years to come considering he comes with a two big price tags.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

[quote=skinster;710114]I just watched multiple segments on nfl.com about the vincent jackson's trade. Apparently he wants more money than brandon marshall, and the trade market should be about the same with 2 2nd round picks for him. This is something I do not understand, Marshall is FAR superior to Jackson, not IMO, fact.
All the numbers support it, over the last 3 years, brandon marshall has averaged about 300 more yards per season, about 50 more receptions! and has about 1.5 more tds per season. That is all considering that Marshall has less years in the league, played in less games over those three season, started even less, is NOT being suspended 4 games, and had the poop king kyle orton throwing to him last year instead of the elite phillip rivers.
I'd honestly put him at a 2nd rounder period for trade value considering in his 5 nfl years has had 1 truly good year with an elite qb throwing to him, and a genius offensive coordinator as a head coach. And it wasn't even [U]that[/U] good a year.
Please someone explain to me why jackson should be traded for the same and get more money instead of significantly less money and significantly less value[/quote]


The number of catches over the last three years is strickly related to the offenses they played in. In Denver, Marshall was in an offense that threw the ball a quite bit more. Plus looking at the numbers over the last three years comparing the two, the only thing that sticks out is the catches. The yards were about the same and the TD's were exactly the same. I think this speaks to how Norv likes to run the ball and hit the deep balls with play action. If Jackson had played in an offense where the ball was thrown 10-15 more times a game then his catches would be similar. So I dont understand where everyone is saying that Marshall is by far the superior receiver. I definatly think we should make a play for this guy. he is big, strong, and can get down the field. His size and speed is very attractive ala Andre Johnson. Plus he is a threat in the redzone, which we really haven't had other than cooley, which teams have figured that out! Teaming him up with Moss and thomas would be pretty damn interesting. Along with Cooley and Davis. I dont put Kelly in the mix because I can see him as being part of the deal. Plus i think we could move Moss to more of the #2 receiver and more slot routes which I think he would be extremely had to cover in motion and going across the middle.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

Adam_Schefter

Filed to ESPN: The NFL suspended SD Pro Bowl WR Vincent Jackson three games for violating the league's personal conduct policy. 10 minutes ago via UberTwitter

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

Wonder if he will appeal and try to get it reduced to 1-2.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

[quote=skinster;710118]Sorry for the double post, but I also wanted to say something else about this trade scenario. If we get Jackson, and Haynsworth makes amends with the team (and we stay injury free), I think we have a legitimate shot at being contenders. Our biggest weakness right now is WR, considering we have inadequate talent at the top, and poor depth, we have no other position where both these things are true. Jackson would help us out immensely which makes me want him, but also scares me because I feel like our desperate need for him to contend will make us overpay for him in draft picks and in salary cap space. If the move doesnt boost us into contenders, it will all significantly hinder us for years to come considering he comes with a two big price tags.[/quote]

Good post. Agree 110%

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;710136]Adam_Schefter

Filed to ESPN: The NFL suspended SD Pro Bowl WR Vincent Jackson three games for violating the league's personal conduct policy. 10 minutes ago via UberTwitter[/quote]

Now would be the time to move in. The suspension may make SD move him out a little faster

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[quote=#56fanatic;710134]The number of catches over the last three years is strickly related to the offenses they played in. In Denver, Marshall was in an offense that threw the ball a quite bit more. Plus looking at the numbers over the last three years comparing the two, the only thing that sticks out is the catches. The yards were about the same and the TD's were exactly the same. I think this speaks to how Norv likes to run the ball and hit the deep balls with play action. If Jackson had played in an offense where the ball was thrown 10-15 more times a game then his catches would be similar. So I dont understand where everyone is saying that Marshall is by far the superior receiver. I definatly think we should make a play for this guy. he is big, strong, and can get down the field. His size and speed is very attractive ala Andre Johnson. Plus he is a threat in the redzone, which we really haven't had other than cooley, which teams have figured that out! Teaming him up with Moss and thomas would be pretty damn interesting. Along with Cooley and Davis. I dont put Kelly in the mix because I can see him as being part of the deal. Plus i think we could move Moss to more of the #2 receiver and more slot routes which I think he would be extremely had to cover in motion and going across the middle.[/quote]

Well said.

In the end I think Marshall is the better player than Jackson, but not by a wide margin.

Re: Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

[quote=#56fanatic;710134]The number of catches over the last three years is strickly related to the offenses they played in. In Denver, Marshall was in an offense that threw the ball a quite bit more. Plus looking at the numbers over the last three years comparing the two, the only thing that sticks out is the catches. The yards were about the same and the TD's were exactly the same. I think this speaks to how Norv likes to run the ball and hit the deep balls with play action. If Jackson had played in an offense where the ball was thrown 10-15 more times a game then his catches would be similar. So I dont understand where everyone is saying that Marshall is by far the superior receiver. I definatly think we should make a play for this guy. he is big, strong, and can get down the field. His size and speed is very attractive ala Andre Johnson. Plus he is a threat in the redzone, which we really haven't had other than cooley, which teams have figured that out! Teaming him up with Moss and thomas would be pretty damn interesting. Along with Cooley and Davis. I dont put Kelly in the mix because I can see him as being part of the deal. Plus i think we could move Moss to more of the #2 receiver and more slot routes which I think he would be extremely had to cover in motion and going across the middle.[/quote]

I see your point, but I still disagree. Just coming from last year alone, orton threw the ball about 50 more times than rivers, and marshall had 33 more catches than jackson while not starting in 2 less games (If I remember correctly he wasn't really played in those games). But the main reason why I disagree with that is not just their production, but who was throwing the ball to them while they were producing. I dont think you can disagree that rivers is far superior than orton. The fact that marshall got better numbers last year (his worst of the last 3 years) in yards per game played, catches total, and tds total while being thrown to by a guy nobody wants on their team, then jackson who last year (his by far best of the last 3 years) was thrown to by an elite qb speaks miles to me. The last thing I will say why I believe marshall is significantly more valuable is consistency, Marshall has had three straight 100 plus catch seasons, while jackson has had one season that has matched up to marshall. Jackson hasn't proven he that he can do it year in and year out. For all we know he might be able to, but he hasn't proven that he can.