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[quote=GTripp0012;1036550]I do think people are overblowing the fact that the Redskins "went away from the run." I know Aikman made a critical comment about it on the broadcast in (I think) the third quarter, and then a graphic showed on the screen that Morris had 17 carries, which is a LOT. And that doesn't count how many carries Helu had.

Because the Redskins weren't going to be able to win yesterday without finding something to lean on in the passing game, it seems shortsighted to criticize them attempting to find the passing game. I'm not sure here if anyone thinks that the Redskins were going to be able to grind out that win up seven, but I think that's pretty far from the truth. Up 11 or 14? There's a chance.

It's a lot more frustrating because two quarterbacks and multiple critical throws to Aldrick Robinson and Santana Moss later, the passing game was still ineffective. And I think Kyle Shanahan deserves a lot of blame for how ineffective it was against a team that can not cover anyone.

More to the actual point, my worry level on Griffin now is somewhere between 5-10%. Still very low, but not that far from serious. They have not done a good job in his development. To be fair, that knee injury hurts his development, a lot. But even considering this a lost offseason, he's nowhere near where he should be. We're close to the point where I would consider a coaching change exclusively because of RG3's lack of development, independent of the 23-32 record.[/quote]

You say trying to find a passing game that wasnt there? Protection horrible, RG3 accuracy was a disgrace yesterday. So go away from a running game that was dominating? No that doesnt make much sense.

If you wanted to "find the passing", you find it but moving the pocket, or 3 step drop or do something different in the scheme. RG3 wasnt see the field, or getting crush by the pass rush. You dont abandon any part of game, you adjust whats not working. Look at RG3 numbers entering the 3rd quarter, why would you not run the ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1036550]Because the Redskins weren't going to be able to win yesterday without finding something to lean on in the passing game, it seems shortsighted to criticize them attempting to find the passing game I'm not sure here if anyone thinks that the Redskins were going to be able to grind out that win up seven, but I think that's pretty far from the truth. Up 11 or 14? There's a chance.[/quote]

You miss the point. When playing the Broncos, you want Peyton Manning
and their offense on the bench. You want to limit their possessions and shorten the game.

I don't mind that Kyle tried to hit a bomb. But I am dumbfounded that he would abandon the running game. We were killing them with the running game. It's simple, if they can't stop it, keep doing it. **** trying to find the passing game. If you run the ball well enough, wide open passing opportunities will present themselves.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1036556]I still support Kyle wholeheartedly. Think lack of execution was as much to blame, but as I've been saying he's got to go. Not a good fit here[/quote]

Tension rumors right SS? is it more Father and Son or RG3 and Kyle? Thanks

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[quote=Chico23231;1036560]Tension rumors right SS? is it more Father and Son or RG3 and Kyle? Thanks[/quote]

I think it's more father and son, but others may say otherwise

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I think Kyle is a competent OC with a bright future, but I don't think this is the right fit for him anymore. At this stage, the offense should be clicking more than it is. I'd like to see Mike stay for another year and Kyle go. Couldn't care less about internal this and that, our record sucks. Our offensive production sucks.

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[quote=12thMan;1036535]It's not so much that RGIII isn't as sharp as he was last season, he seems to lack confidence in what he's doing out there. Holding the ball way too long, looking tentative at times, not feeling the pass rush very well.[/quote]

Very true. He just doesnt look like the same player as last year.

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I have never like a father and son coaching team because you don't fire you son. It makes an instant conflict of interest.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1036544]I hope we keep him[/quote]Would you put the franchise tag on him if it meant we couldn't sign a RT to replace Polumbus (just an example)?

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No.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1036534]Are you serious? Are you really going to judge the guy in mop up duty in a blow out? I'd judge him more by when he actually started a game and had a full week of practice.[/quote]

So throw out all of the data, except the one week he had first team reps and played a garbage football team. You're saying that one game makes him a better option than the reigning ROY?

And mop up duty or not, you shouldn't need first team reps to know that staring down an out route is a bad decision.

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[quote=firstdown;1036564]I have never like a father and son coaching team because you don't fire you son. It makes an instant conflict of interest.[/quote]If only someone would have suggested this in December 2009...

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[quote=firstdown;1036564]I have never like a father and son coaching team because you don't fire you son. It makes an instant conflict of interest.[/quote]

Tell that to Lou Holtz. Lou demoted his son while at South Carolina. From what I gather from people close to Skip while he was here, Skip still harbored some ill will towards his dad in regards to that.

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That said, Lou made the right call and did exactly what a good coach should do.

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Speaking of that third round washout.


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Leribust needs to go. Should have known this kid didn't have the desire to be the best.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1036558]You miss the point. When playing the Broncos, you want Peyton Manning
and their offense on the bench. You want to limit their possessions and shorten the game.

I don't mind that Kyle tried to hit a bomb. But I am dumbfounded that he would abandon the running game. We were killing them with the running game. It's simple, if they can't stop it, keep doing it. **** trying to find the passing game. [B]If you run the ball well enough, wide open passing opportunities will present themselves.[/B][/quote]I...I think that's what he was thinking too. Which makes be a bit miffed that you point that out while arguing the opposite.

If you shorten the game, it just makes every possession more valuable. It doesn't really change the equation as far as winning the game goes. It probably increases Peyton's effect on the outcome of the game.

It makes you a lot less likely to lose by 24, but much more likely to lose by 7.

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When I watch RG3 play I see a player forcing the ball to an assigned player and not surveying the field, passing to the open man. I am not sure if that is on Robert or the coaching staff. He is staring down his targets. Is that the coaching method?

We need to be very active on the trade market IMO We need another quality reciever, I saw on PFT that Fitz may be up for grabs and if this is the case we should jump on that opportunity. Front office needs to make some moves.

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A combo of Garcon, Fitz, and Reed would change the dynamic of this offense greatly