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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1094647]Well he needs to recognize defenses too and where you go with the ball. These are the differences in a garbage Baylor, texas am and tcu schemes vs a pro style Stanford team. You want a QB who knows the basics coming out. The thing with RG3 is seems like a smart, hard worker, and high character guy who could be coached to learn how to become a pocket passer.



But he seems to be more worried about social media and not taking the responsibility for the teams poor play. I dont ever want to see RG3 do that again at a press conference when he deflects responsibilty. Its year 3, no more of that shit.



You see Peyton at the podium after the loss against St. Louis? Thats why that dude wins and has the support of every team he's ever been on. Peyton put that loss all on him. RG3 needs to man the fuck up and do the same.[/QUOTE]


Wish it was that easy. I agree with everything you say except, and its a big except, i do not think Griff can be that QB. He is not even close to being that qb. Not even close.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1094650]“All the sacks are on me, period."



"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."



"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”



"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."



"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."



"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."



"I promise you that I will get better."[/QUOTE]


Yup. Its funny. I have absolutely no idea why people get on Griff for what he says. I think he is very humble, modest, and mature. I do not think he deflects blame. I think his words are often misconstrued. Problem is words dont win games. Play wins games. Unfortunately that is something imo that is terribly lacking. Not his damn tweets. Who gives a shit about his effin tweets.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=SirLK26;1094650]“All the sacks are on me, period."

"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."

"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”

"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."

"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."

"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."

"I promise you that I will get better."[/quote]

You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.

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What do expect from a qb that has had 2 offensive coordinators, 2 major injuries and a terrible O-Line?

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=SirLK26;1094650]“All the sacks are on me, period."

"When I say, ‘All the sacks on are me,’ I’m saying I can do better and I have to do better."

"I will be the first to say I could have done better, a lot better.”

"I didn’t see the field as well as I would have liked to."

"I am not playing that way[at a high level]..."

"I haven’t watched the film yet but I know there are some plays that I would like to have back – of course the interceptions, and there are a couple of plays that come to mind where I feel like I could have been more aggressive. Those plays are in my head. They will stay in my head..."

"I promise you that I will get better."[/quote]

Unfortunately, he also had some words to say about his teammates and what he said about them seemed to me to be an indirect way of placing some of the blame on them. Don't get me wrong; his teammates do share in the blame, but when you are the starting QB, people take it poorly when there is any hint of blaming others in what you say.

It has always been this way in the NFL. The QB gets too much credit and too much blame. The QB also makes the big bucks and he can quickly stir up resentment among his teammates if he isn't careful about what he says about them.

He simply needs to confine his comments to his own play to avoid problems.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1094662]What do expect from a qb that has had 2 offensive coordinators, 2 major injuries and a terrible O-Line?[/quote]

The OC and OL excuses are tired

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[quote=Lotus;1094658]You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.[/quote]

You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."

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[quote=SirLK26;1094671]You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. [B]Those quotes show otherwise.[/B]

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."[/quote]

In context, what your quotes show is that RGIII is given to insincerity.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094670]The OC and OL excuses are tired[/quote]

I agree.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1094670]The OC and OL excuses are tired[/quote]

Of course they are tired. We havent had a decent OL since the hogs and have dealt with the coaching carousel for almost as long. They are very tired, they are 20 years old.

However, none of that makes them invalid. Not having a good OL is detrimental to the team, which is pretty widely understood and accepted. Constantly changing systems, which by nature means constantly changing players to fit your scheme, is also detrimental to the team, which is pretty widely understood and accepted.

If people only started complaining about the OL and coaching carousel since RG3 arrived, then they havent been paying attention the last 2 decades.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=SirLK26;1094671]You said he was too arrogant to admit that he f*cked up. Those quotes show otherwise.

And it's interesting that you brought up cherry-picking, given that this whole "controversy" came about because some dumbsh*t media members and fans cherrypicked the "calling out" quotes that started the whole thing. Griffin never really criticized anybody, I took it more as him wanting accountability. Kaepernick earlier this year flat out said that his offensive line needed to play better; Griffin said nothing like that.


And you and Chico say that the great QBs don't say anything like Griffin did. Allow me to "cherry-pick" some quotes from a press conference by one Tom Brady.

"It was just a bad performance by everybody..."

"The guys who have opportunities to make plays, we’ve got to make them. That’s me, certainly, and skill players and we’ve got to do more on first down"

"I mean I think there’s not much that we’re doing well enough on a consistent basis to score points. Run game, pass game, consistently when we have to throw it, when we have to run it, convert on third down, red area, it’s all a problem."

"I think it’s not necessarily one position, it’s all positions."(talking about the team needing to do a better job)

"I mean, I think certainly running the ball and stopping the run is important to the physical toughness of the team. You just lose control of the game and it becomes one-dimensional like it did there in the third quarter and we stopped running it."(Patriots couldn't stop the run in this game)

"It’s not one posititon on offense, it’s everybody and certainly the play-makers that we have and the skill guys, we’ve all got to make plays."[/quote]

Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.

And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.

And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.

Re: Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[quote=Lotus;1094658]You have cherry-picked quotes out of context. In context, what you find is him calling out others, too. And, given what I've seen and heard, I'm not sure that those moments when RGIII does appear to be self-critical are sincere.

Chico is right. You can't be an NFL QB and talk like RGIII. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, and Brady publicly criticize ONLY themselves. And, perhaps more importantly, they take their self-criticism seriously.

RGIII is smart enough to fix all of his problems, begging the question of why he hasn't done so. The best apparent answer to this question is that he is too arrogant to truly, sincerely admit his shortcomings, much less fix them. He appears to be the Lavar Arrington of QB's: too full of himself to play within someone else's system.

I have staunchly supported RGIII but my respect for him has taken a hard knock this week.[/quote]


Santana Moss called out RG3 last year for this too. My problem is its happening again. He should know better.

But see, now we are talking about this bs and not the fact RG3 doesnt know where to go with the ball when the defense checks into cover 2.

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[quote=Chico23231;1094693]Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.

And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.

And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.[/quote]

What, comparing Griffin to Peyton Manning makes sense, but comparing him to Brady doesn't?

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[quote=12thMan;1094684]I agree.[/quote]

Rivers is on his 3rd OC in 3 years. It's not that uncommon.

And, I don't recall the OL looking so awful when Colt (even Kirk) were playing QB.

Jay Gruden you are our only hope
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1094693]Another thing is RG3's bodily language during the presser. His expressions, he is wide eyed at times, and generally defensive. Which is a terrible look for a guy not taking responsibility.



And the fact he runs home and post on twitter and facebook rather than speak directly.



And comparing Tom Brady and RG3 really doesnt make sense at this point.[/QUOTE]


Speaking of a terrible look...
[IMG]http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/11/18/55c1f98941f3784ecf078f97b3e819ed.jpg[/IMG]
Wtf with that hat?