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But see that's part of the issue here, his conditioning. I mean really, does Albert Haynesworth, of all people, have the luxury of sitting out yet two more weeks; not participating, not meshing with his teammates, not learning the system? I think not.

This is becoming a no-win situation for all parties involved. On one hand I support Shanny's approach, but on the other it's time to play football. This is something that could have and should have been dealt with prior to Fat Al receiving his $21 million.

It's water under the bridge now and we need to get ready for the Dallas Cowboys. And love it or hate, we need Haynesworth to be in the middle to stop that three-headed beast from Dallas.

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[quote=12thMan;716702]But see that's part of the issue here, his conditioning. I mean really, does Albert Haynesworth, of all people, have the luxury of sitting out yet two more weeks; not participating, not meshing with his teammates, not learning the system? I think not.

This is becoming a no-win situation for all parties involved. On one hand I support Shanny's approach, but on the other it's time to play football. This is something that could have and should have been dealt with prior to Fat Al receiving his $21 million.

It's water under the bridge now and we need to get ready for the Dallas Cowboys. And love it or hate, we need Haynesworth to be in the middle to stop that three-headed beast from Dallas.[/quote]

I agree, but if he isn't playing games, and his knee is a serious issue, better just stay out til it heals and gets treated than trying to force the issue and maybe have him get truly messed up. The franchise has a lot invested in AH, make sure he is healthy should be a priority. Not makingexcuses, the guy's conditioning truly sucks for losing 35 lbs. Maybe he aggravated his knees as a result of slimming down 35 lbs. Maybe he over did it. Who knows? He could be hiding the extent of his knee problems. That is a different slant. Maybe he overdid it losing the 35 lbs and his knees have been aggravated as a result. If that is the case, he should just come clean and not try and force it.

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[quote=SBXVII;716650]There is a big difference between the work out AH probably participates in and working out in order to have endurance. AH probably worked out in a manner in which helps his short quick bursts and getting off the ball quickly plus weight lifting in order to be stronger. That style of work out has nothing to do with jogging a mile or more every day in order to have endurance to pass this test.

Most likely his knee is flaring up due to the fact its not ready to run all those yrds. He should have been doing more running so his knees would be prepared for these shuttles.[/quote]

I agree 100% with this. Also he could have screwed his knee up on that first run that would explian why he needed the ten minute and why he walked on the last run(just theory).

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Bad day for Docket. First the shower incident now this

@mortreport RT @espn_nfcwest: Great action! Levi Brown punches Dockett after 9-oh throws Faneca into Leinart. Big brawl. Camp officially on! 42 minutes ago

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For those that haven't seen Mike Golic take/pass the sprint test. COME ON FAT AL!

[url=http://larrybrownsports.com/football/mike-golic-mds-pass-albert-haynesworth-conditioning-test-video/26153]Video: Mike Golic Does Conditioning Test Like Albert Haynesworth | Larry Brown Sports[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;716706]Bad day for Docket. First the shower incident now this

@mortreport RT @espn_nfcwest: Great action! Levi Brown punches Dockett after 9-oh throws Faneca into Leinart. Big brawl. Camp officially on! 42 minutes ago[/quote]

Don't believe that shower incident happened today, thought that was a while ago

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[quote=GusFrerotte;716703]I agree, but if he isn't playing games, and his knee is a serious issue, better just stay out til it heals and gets treated than trying to force the issue and maybe have him get truly messed up. The franchise has a lot invested in AH, make sure he is healthy should be a priority. Not makingexcuses, the guy's conditioning truly sucks for losing 35 lbs. Maybe he aggravated his knees as a result of slimming down 35 lbs. Maybe he over did it. Who knows? He could be hiding the extent of his knee problems. That is a different slant. Maybe he overdid it losing the 35 lbs and his knees have been aggravated as a result. If that is the case, he should just come clean and not try and force it.[/quote]

Your right on the money.

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[quote=SmootSmack;716708]Don't believe that shower incident happened today, thought that was a while ago[/quote]

I saw it today, the world revolves around me, ergo it happened today.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;716707]For those that haven't seen Mike Golic take/pass the sprint test. COME ON FAT AL!

[URL="http://larrybrownsports.com/football/mike-golic-mds-pass-albert-haynesworth-conditioning-test-video/26153"]Video: Mike Golic Does Conditioning Test Like Albert Haynesworth | Larry Brown Sports[/URL][/quote]

Like CNN was running tape of Pee Wee Herman, Lady Gaga, and the Lesbian formerly known as Chastity Bono successfully complete the shuttle runs today........

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[quote=12thMan;716702]But see that's part of the issue here, his conditioning. I mean really, does Albert Haynesworth, of all people, have the luxury of sitting out yet two more weeks; not participating, not meshing with his teammates, not learning the system? I think not.

This is becoming a no-win situation for all parties involved. On one hand I support Shanny's approach, but on the other it's time to play football. This is something that could have and should have been dealt with prior to Fat Al receiving his $21 million.

It's water under the bridge now and we need to get ready for the Dallas Cowboys. And love it or hate, we need Haynesworth to be in the middle to stop that three-headed beast from Dallas.[/quote]

Good post. Honestly I don't get where all these ppl are getting the "oh he's faking it" or other stuff like that. Everything I've heard from MS doesn't insinuate this at all. I've come around to MS approach to this, despite turning this into a circus, he has humbled AH in front of everyone. he'll be on the field and he'll practice eventually.

I look forward to seeing MS accomplish something that no other coach in Snyder's tenure has accomplished...take a talented (and troublesome) player and make him produce on the field for us.

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[quote=Kindoy;716666]that's what i'm saying. he's been tanking it from day 1. Al's going to pass it when he wants to so he has to practice as little as possible while still getting his money and playing time (which i don't think he really cares about too much either).[/quote]

Albert Haynesworth is not a world-class manipulator. It's about time you stop making assumptions from that premise. He's a naive dude, and now it seems he's itching to pass the test before his knee is ready.

Besides, I'm curious about what exactly in the knee can be "conditioned" like muscles and stuff can be conditioned.

Actually, the above post is actually quite stupid since you only interpret one result without considering other events with regards to the situation.

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Just saw that video of Golic doing this. This dude hasn't been training for this and ran it without much problems. Since Haynesworth just had this test on Thursday, Golic couldn't have even practiced this more than 3-4 days. Wikipedia lists him at 265, but I'd bet he's gained a few more than that from the video.

This is not climbing Mount Everest. It's hard, but HE'S AN "ATHLETE". Should be able to do this. Shouldn't hurt his knee from running up and down the field.

Now I agree going into the 2nd week you start to let it go. But I'd say I agree with Shanahan so far. He didn't ask much, and Haynesworth is just embarassing himself. Now how do you glue the team back together.

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3a tweet that haynesworth won't test?

first lead story J. Reid has ever had? lol

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[quote=tryfuhl;716771]3a tweet that haynesworth won't test?

[B]first lead story J. Reid has ever had[/B]? lol[/quote]

Sounds about right.

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The Skins will probably pass AH just so JReid gets it wrong ...

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I am curious, trying to ignore team allegiance, which do people think is worse, D Revis' stated holdout, or AH's showing up, but failing/flaunting the conditioning test?

Which has a worse effect on their respective team?

Which is more abrasive and/or dysfunctional?

Will either one have more of an effect on their respective team's season?

I tend to think Revis' is the worst, but it is a very close call in my mind. I also think neither one will really impact the team's season.

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and more from DDockett

If the big fella give me 3millon I'd come run that test for him barefoot with shades and nike head band and ill put on a #92 jersey!! #deal about 15 hours ago via ÜberTwitter

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Ok, who wouldn't pay to see this?

CindyBoren

Charge $ RT @dalison: #Redskins should set up "shuttle course" in fan area of Redskins park during camp. Let fans take it while AH watches. 23 minutes ago via UberTwitter

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What concerns me more than his passing or not passing the test is the knee itself. If a 300 + lb. man experiences knee problems just from running, what is the likely outcome when he repeatedly get's hit on it. Is this going to be a recurring problem that limits him to in and out of the line-up for various portions of the season?

If Shanahan decides to allow him to practice with the team despite not being able to complete an endurance test, one has to think he's still not in the kind of condition that would be safe for him to continue without the risk of possible further injury. To me, this has the potential for far more serious consequences than just not being able to complete an endurance exercise.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;716787]I am curious, trying to ignore team allegiance, which do people think is worse, D Revis' stated holdout, or AH's showing up, but failing/flaunting the conditioning test?

Which has a worse effect on their respective team?

Which is more abrasive and/or dysfunctional?

Will either one have more of an effect on their respective team's season?

I tend to think Revis' is the worst, but it is a very close call in my mind. I also think neither one will really impact the team's season.[/quote]

Both are terrible in their own way but AH's situation is worse cause he already got paid. To me showing up not ready to ball after you've made 32 mil in one year is just the ultimate form of disrespect. It's your job to be in the best shape possible. WTF else to you have to do during the off season? Revis should show up and work it out while being in camp so he's almost just as worse. It seems like the guy is obsessed about getting more than the guy at Oakland. What a selfish dick.

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AH is at least in camp. Revis is holding out when he still has 3 years left on his deal. Get your butt in camp and work something out. Expecting Asomugha type money is absolutely insane.

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Revis is the bigger loser he is holding out, AH is there and would practice expect he can't pass MS's dog house test.

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[quote=Mattyk;716813]AH is at least in camp. [B]Revis is holding out when he still has 3 years left on his deal. [/B]Get your butt in camp and work something out. Expecting Asomugha type money is absolutely insane.[/quote]

A deal he held out to get. Still, I think he's less of a distraction in the sense that players tend to understand and respect other players needing to handle their business which ultimately can positively (depending on the result) impact all players.

Harder to accept is a player saying I'm going to work out on my own all spring to make sure I'm ready to go...and then he's not ready. When other guys didn't need to be there but chose to be Haynesworth was "working out on his own." Which is fine, but if you're going to do that you better damn well be ready first day of training camp. Not to mention he initially said he'll be there for the mandatory minicamp but then said no he needed more time on his own.

In the end, neither is a big deal really. Though I can see the Revis situation lasting much longer and potentially into the regular season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;716816]A deal he held out to get. Still, I think he's less of a distraction in the sense that players tend to understand and respect other players needing to handle their business which ultimately can positively (depending on the result) impact all players.

Harder to accept is a player saying I'm going to work out on my own all spring to make sure I'm ready to go...and then he's not ready. When other guys didn't need to be there but chose to be Haynesworth was "working out on his own." Which is fine, but if you're going to do that you better damn well be ready first day of training camp. Not to mention he initially said he'll be there for the mandatory minicamp but then said no he needed more time on his own.

In the end, neither is a big deal really. Though I can see the Revis situation lasting much longer and potentially into the regular season.[/quote]

I have always been of the opinion that teams should be allowed to work out free agents before they are signed. Otherwise it's just sight on seeing without knowing the true condition of the athlete.

Had the Redskins insisted on Haynesworth going through a simular type exam last year before they signed him, or even prior to the beginning of training camp, it's doubtful he would have been able to pass it. Cerrato's philosophy of once you get them to come in, don't let them go without their signature did not pay dividens in this case.

In Revis's case it's obvious how highly the Jets think of his abilities, it's also obvious he's taking advantage of their feelings. To further stroke Revis' feel-good, Ryan has gone on record in saying he will be in the starting line-up if he signs the day before the opener.......wrong!!

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this is a good sight i would think:

[IMG]http://a.yfrog.com/img843/869/vjlk.jpg[/IMG]

Apparently AH was helping Jeremy Jarmon

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Yeah Ryan's comments yesterday only gave the Revis camp more leverage.

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[quote=Mattyk;716828]Yeah Ryan's comments yesterday only gave the Revis camp more leverage.[/quote]


Hard Knocks is going to be great with this drama!

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[quote=Mattyk;716813]AH is at least in camp. Revis is holding out when he still has 3 years left on his deal. Get your butt in camp and work something out. Expecting Asomugha type money is absolutely insane.[/quote]

It's a matter of priorities. Right now with all the moves the Jets have made they have a chance to be a contender for a long time. The thing is that the salary cap seems very likely to come back. The Jet's hesitation to give Revis a Nnamdi type deal is a sign of such a possibility. Right now they're looking at paying Cromartie, Mangold, and Holmes and all 3 will command large salaries.

So in the end Revis has to decide. Does he want to be the highest paid corner on an average team that might make the playoffs (read: trade or free agent) or does he want to be a well paid player on a contender. We'll see where his priorities line up.

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[url=http://twitter.com/granthpaulsen/status/20215742627]Twitter / Grant Paulsen: Even though he didn't take ...[/url]

For guy who is perceived to not wanna be here, he sure came early.

[url=http://twitter.com/MikeJonesTBD/status/20219555085]Twitter / Mike Jones: Haynesworth has been coach ...[/url]

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Read the article on Redskins.com about Jarmon at DE. Sounds like he could be our (bigger) version of Elvis Dumervil.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;716788]and more from DDockett

If the big fella give me 3millon I'd come run that test for him barefoot with shades and nike head band and ill put on a #92 jersey!! #deal about 15 hours ago via ÜberTwitter[/quote]

I'm getting sick of Dockett. Someone tell him to stop running his mouth and stop picking up fights at camp. I can't wait until he's bitching about $$ and holds out.

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;716832]Read the article on Redskins.com about Jarmon at DE. Sounds like he could be our (bigger) version of Elvis Dumervil.[/quote]

Isn't Jarmon working towards becoming a 3-4 DE? I believed he put on 20 pounds and is in the 280 range.

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perhaps dockett is using the media outlets like twitter to help create his name into a more known, more commodable image. in hopes his efforts will reward him with larger contracts and sponsors down the road.

wth a situation like haynesworths, he can repeatedly try and show the stark contrast between himself and hayensworth while showcasing his hilarity, personality and whittyness as well.

hes coming off like a politican who is using this haynesworth thing as his platform to be known and liked.

dockett is whoring this thing out.

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[quote=Ruhskins;716838]

Isn't Jarmon working towards becoming a 3-4 DE? I believed he put on 20 pounds and is in the 280 range.[/quote]

Jarmon self-reports his weight at 295 and his position definitely at DE.

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Jarmon_Remains_At_Defensive_End_135774.jsp]Jarmon Remains At Defensive End[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;716838]Isn't Jarmon working towards becoming a 3-4 DE? I believed he put on 20 pounds and is in the 280 range.[/quote]

Yeah, Dumervil is a tweener too.

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So I don't have time to read 500 posts, but has anyone here gone out and tried this fitness test? My wife and I bit and went out this morning and both tried it after breakfast. Oh my god Haynesworth, you are a massive puss. It's not difficult at all! Granted neither of us are overweight, and we're both in pretty good shape, but so what? I'm two years older than phat Al. I ran it in 59 seconds, second one in 64. On my first try! And I'm no triathlete. My wife did it in 68 seconds on her first try, 72 on her second.

That horn tooting personal trainer of his should be fired.

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[quote=GMScud;716851]So I don't have time to read 500 posts, but has anyone here gone out and tried this fitness test? My wife and I bit and went out this morning and both tried it after breakfast. Oh my god Haynesworth, you are a massive puss. It's not difficult at all! Granted neither of us are overweight, and we're both in pretty good shape, but so what? I'm two years older than phat Al. I ran it in 59 seconds, second one in 64. On my first try! And I'm no triathlete. My wife did it in 68 seconds on her first try, 72 on her second.

That horn tooting personal trainer of his should be fired.[/quote]

I'd be more interested in your results if you were 330 lbs on a tricky knee. Just sayin'.

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[quote=Mattyk;716852]I'd be more interested in your results if you were 330 lbs on a tricky knee. Just sayin'.[/quote]

Yeah but weren't we hearing from both Al and this private trainer of his how he is going to surprise everyone with the shape he's in? Wasn't his trainer publicly bragging about Al's conditioning just a few weeks ago? Also, his knee wasn't an issue until after his second straight day of failing the fitness test. I'll make no apologies for this man.

Yeah he's 115 lbs heavier than I am, but I also ran it 11 seconds faster than he's required to, and I'm not a multi-million dollar pro athlete. Fail Albert, fail.

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I like AH hat that he has been wearing at training camp. Anyone no where to get it? I have checked a few places.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;716807]Ok, who wouldn't pay to see this?

CindyBoren

Charge $ RT @dalison: #Redskins should set up "shuttle course" in fan area of Redskins park during camp. Let fans take it while AH watches. 23 minutes ago via UberTwitter[/quote]

I'll bring my dog down to do it.

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[quote=Mattyk;716813]AH is at least in camp. Revis is holding out when he still has 3 years left on his deal. Get your butt in camp and work something out. Expecting Asomugha type money is absolutely insane.[/quote]

Plus, after Revis held out the first time, his contract reportedly included a stipulation that he must be in camp on time for the remainder of the contract term.

He needs to shut up and play. I don't care if he's being underpaid, his next contract will make up for it. You whined and signed a deal, stick to it.

The Jets are deep at CB too, so they can just start fining him if he doesn't show.

I wondered why they drafted a CB first with Cromartie and Revis...now it looks like Kyle Wilson was a very smart pick with not being able to count on Revis.