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[quote=Kindoy;730943]for the sake of not starting another AH thread:

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5558920]Source: Albert Haynesworth will play for Washington Redskins on Sunday - ESPN[/url]

looks like he'll be playing on passing downs, hope he proves himself[/quote]

Moar anonymous sources. Moar hits.

I'm betting that Ma'ake is still not 100% and they have to put Haynesworth and Bryant in more often than planned,[B] if that's the plan[/B].

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[quote=T.O.Killa;731008]friend of mine saying haynesworth released[/quote]

Pics or it didn't happen.

Your friend isn't likely Joe Montana on the same team as Rudy. Does he know CP, Moss, someone?

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anyone hear if he was released

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That's not going to happen

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Ok i have some really stupid friends that called me from the bar and told me it was breaking news now. Sorry.

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Well, whether they get the trade they might want for him...who can say. BUT they will get something for him....if they really want to trade him

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I heard we released AH.















On Montrae Holland, and he had him for an after-dinner snack tomorrow!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;731009]Moar anonymous sources. Moar hits.

I'm betting that Ma'ake is still not 100% and they have to put Haynesworth and Bryant in more often than planned,[B] if that's the plan[/B].[/quote]

i just hope he's on the field, like Pocket$ said... we need to exploit them where we can

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;731009]Moar anonymous sources. Moar hits.

[B]I'm betting that Ma'ake is still not 100%[/B] and they have to put Haynesworth and Bryant in more often than planned,[B] if that's the plan[/B].[/quote]

Why would you say that? He's not even listed on the injury report, and in the NFL skimping on the injury report is a huge no-no. When in doubt you're better off listing a player as probable.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;731027]Why would you say that? He's not even listed on the injury report, and in the NFL skimping on the injury report is a huge no-no. When in doubt you're better off listing a player as probable.[/quote]

He may be "technically" 100% like many players who tear an ACL or blow an Achilles, but he won't be back to full motion, etc, until later, if even that. Add that with football's heavy physical demands, and it's safe to say he's not going to be back to pre-rupture form for quite a while, and his play in the preseason reflected that.

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[url=http://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/2/35136/achilles-tendon-rupture-ends-many-nfl-careers.html]Achilles Tendon Rupture Ends Many NFL Careers[/url]

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;731029]He may be "technically" 100% like many players who tear an ACL or blow an Achilles, but they won't be back to full motion, etc, until later, if even that. Add that with football's heavy physical demands, and it's safe to say he's not going to be back to pre-rupture form for quite a while, and his play in the preseason reflected that.

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[URL="http://www.emaxhealth.com/1275/2/35136/achilles-tendon-rupture-ends-many-nfl-careers.html"]Achilles Tendon Rupture Ends Many NFL Careers[/URL][/quote]


They must have fixed his achilles by installing a roller skate because Ma'ake has been going backwards all pre-season.

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Adam Schefter is reporting on sportscenter that Albert Haynesworth was practicing with the first team in the nickel the whole time. Cooley's comment about being on the practice squad, presumably pure smokescreen

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[quote=mbedner3420;731092]Adam Schefter is reporting on sportscenter that Albert Haynesworth was practicing with the first team in the nickel the whole time. Cooley's comment about being on the practice squad, presumably pure smokescreen[/quote]

If he's practicing only in the nickel then it backs up that they will use him only in passing situations.

AH could still be doing practice squad reps and then practicing with 1st team defense in nickel passing situations.


If the Skins want to beat the cowboys then we'll need to focus on our on-field strategy as opposed to an off-field antic like that. I highly doubt the gameday status of AH is going to be that huge of a factor in this game. If that is what the Skins are banking on then may God have mercy on our Redskin souls.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;731094]If he's practicing only in the nickel then it backs up that they will use him only in passing situations.

AH could still be doing practice squad reps and then practicing with 1st team defense in nickel passing situations.


If the Skins want to beat the cowboys then we'll need to focus on our on-field strategy as opposed to an off-field antic like that. I highly doubt the gameday status of AH is going to be that huge of a factor in this game. If that is what the Skins are banking on then may God have mercy on our Redskin souls.[/quote]

He very well could have been with the practice squad all week as well. It's tough to tell though with the media blackout during practices. They have to go on 'leaks' and nothing else. Regardless, it's an interesting turn of events.

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Didnt like what I saw from Haynesworth at all last night. In his MMQB column, King predicts Haynesworth will be playing for the Titans by the trading deadline. After watching our defense play last night - we don't need Haynesworth. he looked lost all game and is more of a liability than anything else in this defense.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;732593]Didnt like what I saw from Haynesworth at all last night. In his MMQB column, King predicts Haynesworth will be playing for the Titans by the trading deadline. After watching our defense play last night - we don't need Haynesworth. he looked lost all game and is more of a liability than anything else in this defense.[/quote]

Yep, all the AH supporters kept saying: "just wait for week one when Romo is on his back, everything will be forgotten." He was a f*ckin joke last nite.

Well apparently he threw a tantrum fit on the sideline after being taken off the field. Then there was the shot of the entire deffense in a sideline huddle and Albert was about 10 yards away by himself, looking the other way. I mean what a true piece of sh*t. He doesnt care about this team.

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[quote=Chico23231;732598]Yep, all the AH supporters kept saying: "just wait for week one when Romo is on his back, everything will be forgotten." He was a f*ckin joke last nite.

Well apparently he threw a tantrum fit on the sideline after being taken off the field. Then there was the shot of the entire deffense in a sideline huddle and Albert was about 10 yards away by himself, looking the other way. I mean what a true piece of sh*t. He doesnt care about this team.[/quote]

It was a LB and DB meeting not the entire D.

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^^ Yeah a little misleading there, but it makes for good TV

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[quote=irish;732611]It was a LB and DB meeting not the entire D.[/quote]

Maybe so, but look at this picture, I see Daniels talking to one group, the LB/DB meeting, and AH off to the side

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/skinsboys910b.jpg[/IMG]

I swear I so want to believe that he is going to make a difference, but at this point if there is a 4-3 team that would take him for a solid (not star) receiver and a mid round (4-5) draft pick, he would be gone, and count the 21Mill as yet another lesson for DS.

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[quote=irish;732611]It was a LB and DB meeting not the entire D.[/quote]

Thanks for the clarity, walked in from letting the dog out and that was being shown on tv with some snide remarks being said. lol It obviously got me going...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;732628]Maybe so, but look at this picture, I see Daniels talking to one group, the LB/DB meeting, and AH off to the side

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/skinsboys910b.jpg[/IMG]

I swear I so want to believe that he is going to make a difference, but at this point if there is a 4-3 team that would take him for a solid (not star) receiver and a mid round (4-5) draft pick, he would be gone, and count the 21Mill as yet another lesson for DS.[/quote]

Looks like some of the d-line are talking amongst each other, but it's not like AH was blowing off a meeting of the entire D as the broadcast wanted to make you believe.

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^ I'm happy to leave that whole "who's in the meeting" scenario aside.

But AH single-handedly opened some holes for the Cowboys by not playing his position. He seems unwilling to buy into the new scheme. And, despite his immense talent, this makes him a liability.

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[quote=Mattyk;732636]Looks like some of the d-line are talking amongst each other, but it's not like AH was blowing off a meeting of the entire D as the broadcast wanted to make you believe.[/quote]


He was raving mad though...I was worried he was going to pull a Sprewell on Haslett or Shanahan.

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[quote=Lotus;732641]^ I'm happy to leave that whole "who's in the meeting" scenario aside.

But AH single-handedly opened some holes for the Cowboys by not playing his position. He seems unwilling to buy into the new scheme. And, despite his immense talent, this makes him a [B]liability[/B].[/quote]

Yeah....let him ride the bench until he gets it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;732636]Looks like some of the d-line are talking amongst each other, but it's not like AH was blowing off a meeting of the entire D as the broadcast wanted to make you believe.[/QUOTE]
True enough. Still, I didn't see him talkng to coaches on the sidelines or to his player group. Maybe he did and it just wasn't shown. I don't know the scheme so maybe he was doing what he's supporsed to, but it seemed to me that he took himself out of a lot of plays by seeking penetration.

I admit 1) I had hard time watching for him and really only saw what was highlighted. God knows the media had an agenda last night (Cowboys = Orgasm; AH = Redskins F-up); and 2) Maybe AH was doing what he was supposed to be doing.

I will rely on the tape folks (Gtripp & SS33) for a breakdown of his play.

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I don't think I would trade yet. He is obviously having difficulty at NT. He doesn't get a good push. Even the announcers said he's better going straight up field instead of trying to push laterally. Although it appeared he was double teamed everytime he was out there. Maybe they can look at the film and use that against Dallas next time if AH is still here.

I think I would put Kemo at NT and move AH to DE or whatever they want to call it. Maybe he would provide a better rush especially with Orakpo next to him.

If they can't get all this worked out and AH is a beast during the next game I'd say keep him but if he's still not getting a good push and not being a part of the tackles at the line then I'd trade him.

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[quote=saden1;732642]He was raving mad though...I was worried he was going to pull a Sprewell on Haslett or Shanahan.[/quote]

Haynesworth is normally jacked up/sneering/pacing during the game.

I want to know why they put Vonnie Holliday in that 3rd and 2 look. It is idiotic to use him instead of Haynesworth on those plays, especially when a draw play is a free first down.

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AFter listening to Randy MOss say that it's probably his last year in NE, I couldn't help but think that AH could be swapped for him. Give Moss a 2 year deal, he could help us big time.

Chris Carter downplayed Moss' comments, saying that he was only replying to questions by reporters. I know NE plays a 3-4 & that ain't AH's cup o tea, but Bellicheck loves to acquire old vets & put them into good use in his system. If MOss pisses off the NE mgmt. I could see this deal happening. Probably won't though, I think Allen & co. are determined to get value & likely won't.

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^ Which is why I think we need to put AH at DE. He's not worth a crap playing him at NT and him not getting any decent push. Other teams will say he's past his prime and they won't offer much. We put him at DE and he has a huge game for us then either keep him there and keep him for the season or trade him in hopes his trade value increased due to having good game.

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After watching him play last night, it seemed to me that he would anticipate the wrong gap to take almost every play allowing the dallas tailbacks to break some nice runs. Was it just me or was that the case?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;732728]After watching him play last night, it seemed to me that he would anticipate the wrong gap to take almost every play allowing the dallas tailbacks to break some nice runs. Was it just me or was that the case?[/quote]


He didn't have a f'ing clue what he was suppose to be doing. It looks he simply doesn't know the scheme and didn't bother to learn it rather than purposefully trying sabotage the defense.

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After last night, I'd say cut his fat ass.

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He simply doesn't fit our scheme. He is too hard ehaded to do the stuff we need him to do. We're only better with him on the field if he is actually playing the rechnique they need him to play. I am guessing until he shows them that he'll play the right technique they'll be holding him out mroe and more. The spinning out of the play has got to stop. He needs to head up on a double team and push it backwards.

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Yeah after one regular season game, it was perfectly obvious that AH does not fit this scheme. Maybe he will but I do not see it happening. We will just have to wait and see what happens in the coming weeks.

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Haynesworth looks clueless, angry and like he's already on a plane out of here. At the moment, he's useless to the Redskins.:Flush:

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[quote=FRPLG;732738]He simply doesn't fit our scheme. He is too hard ehaded to do the stuff we need him to do. We're only better with him on the field if he is actually playing the rechnique they need him to play. I am guessing until he shows them that he'll play the right technique they'll be holding him out mroe and more. The spinning out of the play has got to stop. He needs to head up on a double team and push it backwards.[/quote]

I think it's his attitude that doesn't fit the scheme. I have no doubts that if he tried, he could push a center and make a big difference at NT...he just isn't putting any effort into it most plays. A few times, he fought Gurode and looked good...but it was the minority of his plays. Plus, Gurode was probably extra-motivated to beat AH.

No excuses though...he needs to start caring about his job and the team.

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He's not going to care. I take it back, we shouldn't cut him, we should keyshawn him. We've already paid the big $, Snyder can afford it, keep him on the payroll and sit his ass every week. Watching the game last night, i was hoping to see them have security escort his ass off the sidelines and out of the stadium.

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[quote=Buster;732751]I think it's his attitude that doesn't fit the scheme. I have no doubts that if he tried, he could push a center and make a big difference at NT...he just isn't putting any effort into it most plays. A few times, he fought Gurode and looked good...but it was the minority of his plays. Plus, Gurode was probably extra-motivated to beat AH.

No excuses though...he needs to start caring about his job and the team.[/quote]

You can lead a horse to the water, but you can't make him drink.

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They only use Daniels as DE so why can't they just rotate between Daniels and AH as DE. I guess there is a lot to learn about being a NT but I figured him slamming up the middle taking on two blockers as he did in the 4-3 was a no brainer. Now I'd put him in as the DE (or DL, whatever the position not to be called NT is) and see if the DL is better, if not then trade his but.

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i think a general rule of thumb with the whole AH situation should be this: if there is ever any doubt over the outcome of an issue between the redskins and albert haynesworth, it's safe to assume that the worst possible outcome will happen. that really has summed up the past 4 months. the only positive exception would be him actually dropping weight in the off season...but apparently that was out of spite (so he couldn't play NT) so it doesn't really count.


that in mind, i predict AH will not learn the system, will not try hard or make plays and he will continuously run his mouth and cause problems until he is traded or released. nothing positive will ever come from the redskins/AH relationship.